Super Genius
Posts: 1,352 
Location: Calgary
Location: Calgary
May 25th, 2007, 09:41 PM
So what if there is prostitution on the street if it is not in a residential area and everything around there is closed. What is the issue. Are people worried that the prostitutes will talk them or their partner into blowing a few hundred dollars in one night.
So what if there is prostitution on the street if it is not in a residential area and everything around there is closed. What is the issue. Are people worried that the prostitutes will talk them or their partner into blowing a few hundred dollars in one night.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,352
Location: Calgary
Location: Calgary
May 25th, 2007, 09:47 PM
Quoting Pangloss
Some hookers can make over 1000 dollars in one night for one trick. That is not exactly poor. Most on the street will at least make 100 Friday and Saturday. Probably a lot more if they pull more then one trick and offer more then a hand job. Nothing is stopping them from working a regular job during the week if they can't get some regulars to call in.
s243a:
Market rules are in play here: where a lot of money can be made, there will be a growing supply, driving prices down. Some prostitutes can make alright money, but certainly not the vast majority of street prostitutes.
Just like everything else, it depends on overhead, cost per service and amount of business.
But the idea of rich hookers, or even middle class ones, is mostly Hollywood.
Pangloss
Market rules are in play here: where a lot of money can be made, there will be a growing supply, driving prices down. Some prostitutes can make alright money, but certainly not the vast majority of street prostitutes.
Just like everything else, it depends on overhead, cost per service and amount of business.
But the idea of rich hookers, or even middle class ones, is mostly Hollywood.
Pangloss
Mighty Intellect
Posts: 1,535 
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Location: Calgary, Alberta
May 25th, 2007, 09:49 PM
Street prostitutes in non-residential areas tend to be attacked more often; perhaps because there is nobody there to see the john picking them up.
Illegal street prostitution is nothing but danger and trouble - for all concerned.
Make it legal and get it off the street.
Pangloss
Quoting s243a
The very real problems with street prostitution are well documented. Increases in property crimes, littering, violence and drug dealing all seem to follow street-level prostitution.
So what if there is prostitution on the street if it is not in a residential area and everything around there is closed. What is the issue. Are people worried that the prostitutes will talk them or their partner into blowing a few hundred dollars in one night.
Street prostitutes in non-residential areas tend to be attacked more often; perhaps because there is nobody there to see the john picking them up.
Illegal street prostitution is nothing but danger and trouble - for all concerned.
Make it legal and get it off the street.
Pangloss
Super Genius
Posts: 1,352
Location: Calgary
Location: Calgary
May 25th, 2007, 09:51 PM
It's their choice though isn't it.
Quoting Pangloss
The very real problems with street prostitution are well documented. Increases in property crimes, littering, violence and drug dealing all seem to follow street-level prostitution.
Street prostitutes in non-residential areas tend to be attacked more often; perhaps because there is nobody there to see the john picking them up.
Illegal street prostitution is nothing but danger and trouble - for all concerned.
Make it legal and get it off the street.
Pangloss
Street prostitutes in non-residential areas tend to be attacked more often; perhaps because there is nobody there to see the john picking them up.
Illegal street prostitution is nothing but danger and trouble - for all concerned.
Make it legal and get it off the street.
Pangloss
It's their choice though isn't it.
Mighty Intellect
Posts: 1,535
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Location: Calgary, Alberta
May 25th, 2007, 09:51 PM
Sure some hookers (in a city the size of Calgary, maybe 10 or so on any given night) make good money - but if the lucre is so good, how come they aren't all landladys with apartment towers?
Seriously, back those numbers up before you expect anyone to believe that claim.
Pangloss
Quoting s243a
Where do you get your numbers from???
Some hookers can make over 1000 dollars in one night for one trick. That is not exactly poor. Most on the street will at least make 100 Friday and Saturday. Probably a lot more if they pull more then one trick and offer more then a hand job. Nothing is stopping them from working a regular job during the week if they can't get some regulars to call in.
Sure some hookers (in a city the size of Calgary, maybe 10 or so on any given night) make good money - but if the lucre is so good, how come they aren't all landladys with apartment towers?
Seriously, back those numbers up before you expect anyone to believe that claim.
Pangloss
Super Genius
Posts: 1,352
Location: Calgary
Location: Calgary
May 25th, 2007, 10:15 PM
Well, I think I heard of someone in Calgary that paid a hooker 1500 just to crawl around the floor and talk mean to him. If you don't believe my numbers go ask some hocker how much for a hand job. I bet you at least talking 100 to 150 dollars. And yeah, I'm talking about the hot ones in there 20. Not cheap looking ones. I saw a documentary on prostitution. Some high class ones charge 10 000 dollars just for one weekend.
It might be hard for them to buy property though. The tax man might have questions. As for how many perhaps in Calgary you may see 10 or 20 on the street that take in a decent amount on the weekended. There could be a lot more that work on a call in basis. In other cities they might not do as well but there is a lot of money in Calgary and more guys in the city then girls. There are probably a lot more tricks going on then you know about.
Quoting Pangloss
Where do you get your numbers from???
Sure some hookers (in a city the size of Calgary, maybe 10 or so on any given night) make good money - but if the lucre is so good, how come they aren't all landladys with apartment towers?
Seriously, back those numbers up before you expect anyone to believe that claim.
Pangloss
Sure some hookers (in a city the size of Calgary, maybe 10 or so on any given night) make good money - but if the lucre is so good, how come they aren't all landladys with apartment towers?
Seriously, back those numbers up before you expect anyone to believe that claim.
Pangloss
Well, I think I heard of someone in Calgary that paid a hooker 1500 just to crawl around the floor and talk mean to him. If you don't believe my numbers go ask some hocker how much for a hand job. I bet you at least talking 100 to 150 dollars. And yeah, I'm talking about the hot ones in there 20. Not cheap looking ones. I saw a documentary on prostitution. Some high class ones charge 10 000 dollars just for one weekend.
It might be hard for them to buy property though. The tax man might have questions. As for how many perhaps in Calgary you may see 10 or 20 on the street that take in a decent amount on the weekended. There could be a lot more that work on a call in basis. In other cities they might not do as well but there is a lot of money in Calgary and more guys in the city then girls. There are probably a lot more tricks going on then you know about.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,352
Location: Calgary
Location: Calgary
May 25th, 2007, 10:16 PM
Perhaps we are talking about different things. I was talking about independent prostitutes over the age of majority. Obviously when there is coercion or underage people then that is definitely a problem.
Quoting Pangloss
Not when there is coercion. Let's be clear - I am talking about street-level prostitution and particularly illegal street level prostitution.
Pangloss
Pangloss
Perhaps we are talking about different things. I was talking about independent prostitutes over the age of majority. Obviously when there is coercion or underage people then that is definitely a problem.
Clever Clogs
Posts: 634
Location: Quebec
Location: Quebec
May 25th, 2007, 10:44 PM
There would be no prostitution if there were no clients.
However it is called 'the oldest profession' and will never be erased because of demand. I don't approve of it but I do believe that those who decide to work in this line need to be protected. Both pimps and many johns do put these workers in danger. Also due to disease etc this workers put their clients in danger. Legalization would protect both the client and worker (forget the pimps they can rot in hell). The pimping style of prostitution is what brings the criminal element to the streets and there is only one way to eliminate or at least significantly reduce this problem.
There would be no prostitution if there were no clients.
However it is called 'the oldest profession' and will never be erased because of demand. I don't approve of it but I do believe that those who decide to work in this line need to be protected. Both pimps and many johns do put these workers in danger. Also due to disease etc this workers put their clients in danger. Legalization would protect both the client and worker (forget the pimps they can rot in hell). The pimping style of prostitution is what brings the criminal element to the streets and there is only one way to eliminate or at least significantly reduce this problem.
Newbie
Posts: 3
May 25th, 2007, 11:23 PM
Men sell their bodies out to corporations for the purpose of performing labour, they hold a lot of pride in themself for their work, why would it be any different for a woman?
Women are more then vagina's,they have brains and they are better at using them. Prostitution is neither ethical or morally right. It degrades a human to being just a slab of meat,any looser can have sex but not any looser can make the deal.Since women have brains maybe they want to use them and get out of a man's kitchen and bed.
Men sell their bodies out to corporations for the purpose of performing labour, they hold a lot of pride in themself for their work, why would it be any different for a woman?
Women are more then vagina's,they have brains and they are better at using them. Prostitution is neither ethical or morally right. It degrades a human to being just a slab of meat,any looser can have sex but not any looser can make the deal.Since women have brains maybe they want to use them and get out of a man's kitchen and bed.
Newbie
Posts: 3
May 25th, 2007, 11:28 PM
Make it legal and get it off the street.?? What is that????????
Let me get this straight you think it is all right to buy a woman like you buy a pair of shoes. Women are not merchandise When you go out today it is off to the diner,buy a pair of shoes then go to the next building and buy a woman.Go back to your cave
Make it legal and get it off the street.?? What is that????????
Let me get this straight you think it is all right to buy a woman like you buy a pair of shoes. Women are not merchandise When you go out today it is off to the diner,buy a pair of shoes then go to the next building and buy a woman.Go back to your cave
Newbie
Posts: 3
May 25th, 2007, 11:36 PM
Prostitution should be illegal it devalues a person.It would never be that easy anyway,just get the women off the streets and in a nice warm bed for me?There are some people who feel worth less so our society should make sure they feel even less human and spiritual. Which is what women are Human and spiritual and nurturing . What would the World be like without Women? Nothing.
Prostitution should be illegal it devalues a person.It would never be that easy anyway,just get the women off the streets and in a nice warm bed for me?There are some people who feel worth less so our society should make sure they feel even less human and spiritual. Which is what women are Human and spiritual and nurturing . What would the World be like without Women? Nothing.
Mighty Intellect
Posts: 1,535
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Location: Calgary, Alberta
May 26th, 2007, 01:46 AM
Second, what is so special about non-procreative sex that it belongs in a different category of human endeavour? My massage therapist makes me feel good; carpenters use their bodies for money, dancers train their bodies and perform for us, for money.
So is it the orgasm that changes everything? How, exactly?
No, I don't think it is alright to buy anyone like a pair of shoes - but we are all rented. It's called having a job. To purchase someone is for them to be your slave.
Slavery is probably a bad thing. Something about taking someone's humanity away. Oh, and their freedom.
You seem to believe that no woman (or man, presumably) would ever freely choose to work in the sex trade. Sorry, Adahen, but perhaps there are no history books or newspapers in you cave (there are in mine) - throughout history, men and women have chosen to make their livings on their backs - some have done quite well.
You say that prostitution is neither ethical nor right. Before I address your totally unsupported opinion, I would like you to tell me what the difference is between an "ethical" act and a "right" one.
Your confusion with simple language might be a sign of your muddled thinking.
To the question of ethics: I'm a prostitute, and there is a customer. We negotiate services offered, and what the prices are. We come to terms, have sex, I get paid, and the customer leaves.
Where do ethics enter into this?
Look at this another way: I'm a baker, and there is a hungry customer. Customer asks for a roll, or perhaps sticky buns, and I ask for money. The price seems right, and my buns are certainly tempting, so my buns are enjoyed, and I'm a little richer. Everybody's happy.
Adahen, avoiding insults like "going back to (my) cave" will go a long way to fostering constructive dialogue.
Pangloss
Quoting adahen2
Adahen, take a breath and consider your position. First, is prostitution only a male client/female provider service? There are no male prostitutes? And no female customers?
Men sell their bodies out to corporations for the purpose of performing labour, they hold a lot of pride in themself for their work, why would it be any different for a woman?
Women are more then vagina's,they have brains and they are better at using them. Prostitution is neither ethical or morally right. It degrades a human to being just a slab of meat,any looser can have sex but not any looser can make the deal.Since women have brains maybe they want to use them and get out of a man's kitchen and bed.
Women are more then vagina's,they have brains and they are better at using them. Prostitution is neither ethical or morally right. It degrades a human to being just a slab of meat,any looser can have sex but not any looser can make the deal.Since women have brains maybe they want to use them and get out of a man's kitchen and bed.
Second, what is so special about non-procreative sex that it belongs in a different category of human endeavour? My massage therapist makes me feel good; carpenters use their bodies for money, dancers train their bodies and perform for us, for money.
So is it the orgasm that changes everything? How, exactly?
No, I don't think it is alright to buy anyone like a pair of shoes - but we are all rented. It's called having a job. To purchase someone is for them to be your slave.
Slavery is probably a bad thing. Something about taking someone's humanity away. Oh, and their freedom.
You seem to believe that no woman (or man, presumably) would ever freely choose to work in the sex trade. Sorry, Adahen, but perhaps there are no history books or newspapers in you cave (there are in mine) - throughout history, men and women have chosen to make their livings on their backs - some have done quite well.
You say that prostitution is neither ethical nor right. Before I address your totally unsupported opinion, I would like you to tell me what the difference is between an "ethical" act and a "right" one.
Your confusion with simple language might be a sign of your muddled thinking.
To the question of ethics: I'm a prostitute, and there is a customer. We negotiate services offered, and what the prices are. We come to terms, have sex, I get paid, and the customer leaves.
Where do ethics enter into this?
Look at this another way: I'm a baker, and there is a hungry customer. Customer asks for a roll, or perhaps sticky buns, and I ask for money. The price seems right, and my buns are certainly tempting, so my buns are enjoyed, and I'm a little richer. Everybody's happy.
Adahen, avoiding insults like "going back to (my) cave" will go a long way to fostering constructive dialogue.
Pangloss
