#1Sep 2nd, 2010
This ends the debate. Or does it?
It's official: God didn't create universe
#2
re: It's official: God didn't create universe
Sep 2nd, 2010
Maybe God didn't create the Universe.....but maybe God created the "Laws
of Physics" from which the "Big Bang" was an inevitable consequence?
I don't think there will ever be an end to this debate, but that's only my opinion.
of Physics" from which the "Big Bang" was an inevitable consequence?
I don't think there will ever be an end to this debate, but that's only my opinion.
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#3 Top Rated Postre: It's official: God didn't create universe
Sep 2nd, 2010
I will now go to bed and pray for all the heathens in this place...and may God bless y'all ................
#4
re: It's official: God didn't create universe
Sep 2nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina
You pretty much expressed the same idea I had. The builder isn't necessarily the architect. Maybe God didn't create the Universe.....but maybe God created the "Laws
of Physics" from which the "Big Bang" was an inevitable consequence?
I don't think there will ever be an end to this debate, but that's only my opinion.
#5
re: It's official: God didn't create universe
Sep 2nd, 2010
My theory is that there may have been a creator of the Universe, heck the Universe may be the Creator but that We (our higher selves) created ourselves. On the metaphysical and quantum physical levels we are just energy and the Earth provides the medium for us to manifest in the physical. I'm not the only one who thinks this, so no, the debate is not over.
#6
re: It's official: God didn't create universe
Sep 2nd, 2010
My theory is that I don't think there will ever be an end to this debate.
#7
re: It's official: God didn't create universe
Sep 2nd, 2010
Stephen Hawking said so. What other proof is necessary?
#8
re: It's official: God didn't create universe
Sep 2nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
Geez, you are getting too deep for my feeble mind, Cliff. My theory is that there may have been a creator of the Universe, heck the Universe may be the Creator but that We (our higher selves) created ourselves. On the metaphysical and quantum physical levels we are just energy and the Earth provides the medium for us to manifest in the physical. I'm not the only one who thinks this, so no, the debate is not over.
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#9re: It's official: God didn't create universe
Sep 2nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina
Only if god herself came down and said, "look you pin heads, stop being so cruel to each other or I'll turn you all into amoebas" or some such.My theory is that I don't think there will ever be an end to this debate.
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re: It's official: God didn't create universe
Sep 2nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by Kreskin
Stephen Hawking said so. What other proof is necessary?
I sure don't doubt Mr. Hawkings intelligence or insight...as he's one of the
brightest minds of our time....but....the argument might be made that even
the best & brightest Human mind is still only just a Human mind...and that if
a God exists, then it might be just so far beyond the Human experience that
we'll never truly understand the extent of a Gods actions or motivations or
abilities, etc....
#11
re: It's official: God didn't create universe
Sep 2nd, 2010
Or as I like to say, our finite minds are incapable of comprehending the infinite.
#12
re: It's official: God didn't create universe
Sep 2nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina
Why does there need to be a God to have a Law of Physics? If God is needed to create anything and everything then the argument is who made God? I sure don't doubt Mr. Hawkings intelligence or insight...as he's one of the
brightest minds of our time....but....the argument might be made that even
the best & brightest Human mind is still only just a Human mind...and that if
a God exists, then it might be just so far beyond the Human experience that
we'll never truly understand the extent of a Gods actions or motivations or
abilities, etc....
it seems more logical that physics is physics.
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re: It's official: God didn't create universe
Sep 2nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina
That's not really necessary either. The laws of physics emerge quite naturally from certain symmetries. Read about the lady who figured it out: --Maybe God didn't create the Universe.....but maybe God created the "Laws
of Physics" from which the "Big Bang" was an inevitable consequence?
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re: It's official: God didn't create universe
Sep 2nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by Kreskin
Why does there need to be a God to have a Law of Physics? If God is needed to create anything and everything then the argument is who made God?
it seems more logical that physics is physics.
There doesn't have to be. My point is towards the question regarding the debate being over.
I don't think it ever will be.
Last edited by Ron in Regina; Sep 2nd, 2010 at 10:09 PM..Reason: Underlining to be clear on what I have tried to state.
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#15re: It's official: God didn't create universe
Sep 2nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina
My theory is that I don't think there will ever be an end to this debate.
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Kreskin said hopefully: This ends the debate. Or does it?
My theory is that the debate will end in a big bang. Or not. Then again... :::sigh:::
I'm still trying to get my head wrapped round the concept that there's an edge to the universe. Ok, if so, what's beyond the edge? Huh?
I think I'm getting a headache. Hawking always makes that happen.
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#16re: It's official: God didn't create universe
Sep 2nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by Bcool
I wonder if it ends like a racquetball court.
My theory is that the debate will end in a big bang. Or not. Then again... :::sigh:::
I'm still trying to get my head wrapped round the concept that there's an edge to the universe. Ok, if so, what's beyond the edge? Huh?
I think I'm getting a headache. Hawking always makes that happen.
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re: It's official: God didn't create universe
Sep 2nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
Crikey! Headaches getting worse! Deep, this is getting deep... Or as I like to say, our finite minds are incapable of comprehending the infinite.
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re: It's official: God didn't create universe
Sep 2nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by Bcool
When you live in the Arrow Lakes there is lots of time for "getting deep".....Crikey! Headaches getting worse! Deep, this is getting deep...
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re: It's official: God didn't create universe
Sep 2nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by Kreskin
LOL Lawks!! The finite mind boggles!I wonder if it ends like a racquetball court.
Couldn't it at least be on a croquet lawn with hedgehogs and flamingoes?
#20
re: It's official: God didn't create universe
Sep 2nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by JLM
Navel gazing is my specialty. The waters of the Arrow lakes are usually pretty calm so I can navel gaze without having to look down at my protruding belly. I just have to sit down by the water and look at my reflection.When you live in the Arrow Lakes there is lots of time for "getting deep".....
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re: It's official: God didn't create universe
Sep 2nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by JLM
You live in the lake, JLM??? Been a long time since we've been through your area, always remember Vernon as being on Okanagan Lake for some reason. Lovely area.When you live in the Arrow Lakes there is lots of time for "getting deep".....
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re: It's official: God didn't create universe
Sep 2nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by Bcool
No, I live in the Arrow Lakes - Nakusp (an old Sinixt word) to be exact: the sphincter of the Kootenays.You live in the lake, JLM??? Been a long time since we've been through your area, always remember Vernon as being on Okanagan Lake for some reason. Lovely area.
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re: It's official: God didn't create universe
Sep 3rd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
(Who turned out the lights?)No, I live in the Arrow Lakes - Nakusp (an old Sinixt word) to be exact: the sphincter of the Kootenays.
This does not conform to the "Beautiful British Columbia - You have to be here!" official attitude, Cliffy.
Just been reading up on the Sinixt people. Typical Ottawa newt brained thinking I gather. In '56 they declare them "extinct" even though there's 250 of 'em in Colville at the time going "Oiy!" plus a few more in the Upper Sinixt area, around your way I think? Sheesh! So they're going after the Feds on a Land Claim suit, excellent! (Ooops! Hope that doesn't include your house?) Anyway, be interesting to see how a judge handles a trial between a bunch of back east suits and a group of non-existent people! Only in BC. LOL
I had some good fishing up your way, not enough time to really explore - the husband would start whinging about being bored - I always caught fish, they avoided his hook every time. I swear once, fishing the Fraser, when he'd actually managed to hook a sturgeon and it was coming up out of the river, it looked at him, rolled its eyes at me and went "yuck, phooey!" and spat the hook right out. Was he ticked! LOL
You get to sit by the Arrows?! C'mon! There's lovely, bach!
#24
re: It's official: God didn't create universe
Sep 3rd, 2010
This does not end the debate.
While I agree that in front of the mystery of ''what comes before Big Bang'' it is not of much use to add a mystery (God) on top of already mysterious event (Big Bang).
In other words, one mystery is good enough. But the point is that it still remains a mystery. Why are the laws of physics as they are? Why aren't they different?
And by the way, there are many different conceptions of the word ''God''.
Dexter posted a link on a brilliant mathematician, suggesting laws of physics emerge naturally from certain symmetries, but considering most of us don't have the mathematical knowledge to understand what the article is about, he would need to elaborate on that while hopefully vulgarizing it a little.
Until then, I remain skeptical that someone has managed to explain why the laws of physics are as they are.
While I agree that in front of the mystery of ''what comes before Big Bang'' it is not of much use to add a mystery (God) on top of already mysterious event (Big Bang).
In other words, one mystery is good enough. But the point is that it still remains a mystery. Why are the laws of physics as they are? Why aren't they different?
And by the way, there are many different conceptions of the word ''God''.
Dexter posted a link on a brilliant mathematician, suggesting laws of physics emerge naturally from certain symmetries, but considering most of us don't have the mathematical knowledge to understand what the article is about, he would need to elaborate on that while hopefully vulgarizing it a little.
Until then, I remain skeptical that someone has managed to explain why the laws of physics are as they are.
#25
re: It's official: God didn't create universe
Sep 3rd, 2010
If all the was necessary for the universe to spontaneously create itself was gravity, then what is the origin of gravity?
#26
re: It's official: God didn't create universe
Sep 3rd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by Kreskin
Stephen Hawking also claimed it was a bad idea to go seeking out alien contact because they'll either enslave us or wipe us out and we should remain a xenophobic species.Stephen Hawking said so. What other proof is necessary?
Just because someone comes up with one or two brilliant ideas, doesn't mean all their ideas are going to be brilliant and we should believe and follow everything they say from then on.
Not to be too harsh, but if Hawking is so brilliant, why is he still in an automated wheelchair?
Ah, no never mind, I just figured out why...... because he heeded the words of the wise Homer Simpson "And here I am using my legs like a Sucker....."
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#27re: It's official: God didn't create universe
Sep 3rd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by Praxius
Probably because his genius is in the field of physics, not medicine. Just a guess.Not to be too harsh, but if Hawking is so brilliant, why is he still in an automated wheelchair?
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lolAh, no never mind, I just figured out why...... because he heeded the words of the wise Homer Simpson "And here I am using my legs like a Sucker....."
#28
re: It's official: God didn't create universe
Sep 3rd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
Q threatened to do that to his son on Star Trek Voyager (Episode Q2)Only if god herself came down and said, "look you pin heads, stop being so cruel to each other or I'll turn you all into amoebas" or some such.
"Then it's single-cellular city for you my boy!"
"I'm sure you'll do whatever you can to avoid returning to that petri dish."
Maybe he was right when he told Picard he was God
"You're dead, this is the afterlife -- and I'm God"
#29
re: It's official: God didn't create universe
Sep 3rd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by Kreskin
For starters if he can explain how water populated the earth, I would be willing to listen.Stephen Hawking said so. What other proof is necessary?
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re: It's official: God didn't create universe
Sep 3rd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by Sons of Liberty
Actually that has been explained years ago..... and it's the main reason why so many people at NASA and around the world are hoping to find water on Mars.For starters if he can explain how water populated the earth, I would be willing to listen.
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