#1Jul 23rd, 2010
Eliminating the center ..
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Re: Eliminating the center ..
Jul 23rd, 2010
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Hi Ron , judging the size of he center, one can see that you are "absolutely free" for sure .
fHi Ron , judging the size of he center, one can see that you are "absolutely free" for sure .
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Re: Eliminating the center ..
Jul 23rd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by china
What do you visualize/conceptualize to be the center you are trying to get rid of? It is a vague question to me.How can one get rid of the centre so as to be really free - absolutely, not relatively?Is it possible to be absolutely free of the centre?
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Jul 23rd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by china
Well - yeah - you could get rid of the centre but then the whole 'being' of the object would shift from being that of a glorious circle, to a - well ... lump of fried dough topped by icing and sprinkles. sorry - freedom's just another word .....How can one get rid of the centre so as to be really free - absolutely, not relatively?Is it possible to be absolutely free of the centre?
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Jul 23rd, 2010
Who would want to eliminate timbits altogether? Ah, anti-Timmy's I see.
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Jul 23rd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo
china left himself wide open for these responses.Who would want to eliminate timbits altogether? Ah, anti-Timmy's I see.
#9
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Jul 24th, 2010
Yeah, he often asks questions like that, and it's hard to know what he means. I think I know what my centre is, and I can't imagine why I'd want to eliminate it. Doesn't sound like being free to me, sounds like being either dead or reducing my IQ to about 14, neither of which I would be in favour of. Obviously he must mean something quite different from what I'd mean by "eliminating the center." I suspect there's something Buddhist behind that question, but Buddhism is one of many isms I can't see any use for or reality to. We will just have to await his return to find out what he means.
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Jul 24th, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by china
The center of what? lol Step outside the box for a while.How can one get rid of the centre so as to be really free - absolutely, not relatively?Is it possible to be absolutely free of the centre?
Anyway, people I know are always trying to stay centered. Being scattered is not that healthy.
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf
That's what I thought.Isn't off-centre the same as being off-balanced
Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister
Too much Krishnamurti? lolYeah, he often asks questions like that, and it's hard to know what he means. I think I know what my centre is, and I can't imagine why I'd want to eliminate it. Doesn't sound like being free to me, sounds like being either dead or reducing my IQ to about 14, neither of which I would be in favour of. Obviously he must mean something quite different from what I'd mean by "eliminating the center." I suspect there's something Buddhist behind that question, but Buddhism is one of many isms I can't see any use for or reality to. We will just have to await his return to find out what he means.
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Jul 26th, 2010
A religious man is a man who is alone— not lonely, you understand, but alone— with no theories or dogmas, no opinion, no background. He is alone and loves it— free of conditioning and alone— and enjoying it. Second, a religious man must be both man and woman— I don't mean sexually— but he must know the dual nature of everything; a religious man must feel and be both masculine and feminine. Third," and now his manner intensified again, "to be a religious man, one must destroy everything— destroy the past, destroy one's convictions, interpretations, deceptions— destroy all self-hypnosis— destroy until there is no center;
No center,
Then you are a religious person.
What is center ?
No center,
Then you are a religious person.
What is center ?
#13
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Jul 26th, 2010
A religious person is a follower of dogma. What you describe is a spiritual person, one without dogma, one who seeks truth wherever and whatever it turns out to be. I prefer eliminate to destroying past, convictions, interpretations, etc, because most, if not all, are socially conditioned responses to life spoon fed to us by those who think they know the truth. the spiritual person gets rid of his/her ego and learns humility and to act in integrity. To me religion requires a person's ego to follow blindly the dictates of others. A religious person has belief, a spiritual person has faith in life. As Allan Watts said, "Belief is holding to a rock, faith is learning how to swim in the stream of life."
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Jul 28th, 2010Quote:
Follower of anything is just what he is .....a follower ,nothing else .A religious person is a follower of dogma
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If you say that you are seeking something,what you are saying is that you know what you are seeking, looking for . ; and when you 'found it' , you have recognized it and realized that you knew it all along . You can't seek an unknown still holds truth in this part of the world.What you describe is a spiritual person, one without dogma, one who seeks truth wherever and whatever it turns out to be
To seek truth - is to deny It. Truth is now , in the present , from moment to
moment ,to be lived, not searched for.Most of the time we aren't satisfied with the "Truth" and are in process of searching for the 'real truth'.
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[/QUOTEthe spiritual person gets rid of his/her ego and learns humility and to act in integrity.
Do you really believe that the virtues of humility ,integrity can be taught .....learned .
Do you think that a humble person is conscious of being humble?
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We are talking about two deffinitions of religions..To me religion requires a person's ego to follow blindly
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Sounds romantic but personally, I dont believe in anything though I love to swim whenever I get a chance."Belief is holding to a rock, faith is learning how to swim in the streamont of life."
Last edited by china; Jul 28th, 2010 at 06:49 AM..
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