And the Sun shall rise again...

CDNBear
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After watching Zeitgeist, the movie, I contacted Dexter Sinister to help me wade through some of the information portrayed in the first portion of the movie. Specifically relating to the Sun and how it moves through the sky.

Now, even though this could be seen as a science related topic, I placed this in the Philosophy section, because due the fact that we can't actually ask someone from the ancient societies to tell us how they came to their conclusions, it comes a discussion on a philosophical level. I would however respectfully ask that it not become an argument about Christ, Christians and whether or not he is or is not real. There are plenty of places on the board to further beat that dead horse all you want.

OK, Dex...

Let's start with the Cross of the Zodiac. The narrator says the sun figuratively passes through the Zodiac. Further along, he claims that the Sun lines up with Orion's belt.

I looked into it, your original assertion about the alignment of Orion's Belt, Sirius and the point at which the sun would rise on December 25th, being wrong, appears to be correct. But I must ask, if you were to look at the belt from a different declination on the globe, would it be closer to the assertion made in the movie? Secondly, would the passing of time have an affect on the position, between how we see it today, and how it was viewed a millenia ago?
 
El Barto
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Are you getting spacey on us Bear?
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by El BartoView Post

Are you getting spacey on us Bear?

I might be, but I can afford a space suit, so I'm stuck here, lol.

I think out of shear boredom, and the lack of fishing opportunities at present, is culminating in me diving head first into some serious conspiracy theories, lol.

I'm trying to temper that, by approaching people like Dex. Who just so happen to be quite grounded and knowledgeable.
 
theconqueror
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OK, Dex...

Let's start with the Cross of the Zodiac.

Starting with the Cross of Jesus this is all I know about the Sun...

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El Barto
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I might be, but I can afford a space suit, so I'm stuck here, lol.

I think out of shear boredom, and the lack of fishing opportunities at present, is culminating in me diving head first into some serious conspiracy theories, lol.

I'm trying to temper that, by approaching people like Dex. Who just so happen to be quite grounded and knowledgeable.

I will have to find a dvd of that film . It does peak my curiousity to what you are talking about. Tho I feel a little lost to what it is.
I have read theories about the math of the pyramids and how they are mathimatical models , even set up with the position of the Orion's belt. The conspiracy in me say that if you line up the top of the piramids with the stars of the Orion's belt , there might be something hidden in that spot .....i too get bored and make up stuff
 
CDNBear
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Starting with the Cross of Jesus this is all I know about the Sun...

Do you have a reading comprehension issue Conq?

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.....i too get bored and make up stuff

Huh?
 
El Barto
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Do you have a reading comprehension issue Conq?

Huh?

there might be something hidden in that spot .....i too get bored and make up stuff

this
 
theconqueror
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Do you have a reading comprehension issue Conq?


It was a joke. Zodiac? Get it? Jesus? Non existant?
 
theconqueror
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Must be a Catholic Universal Zodiac thing I guess...
 
CDNBear
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It was a joke. Zodiac? Get it? Jesus? Non existant?

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Must be a Catholic Universal Zodiac thing I guess...

This is a serious discussion conq, why don't you still your "look at me" thread. It's more your speed.
 
CDNBear
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there might be something hidden in that spot .....i too get bored and make up stuff

this

Gotchya, the , threw me off.
 
El Barto
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Gotchya, the , threw me off.

I'm googling what i can on it short of downloading the damn film
 
theconqueror
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This is a serious discussion conq, why don't you still your "look at me" thread. It's more your speed.

OK Dokie... I'll leave you homeboys alone. Keep in touch eh?
 
CDNBear
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I'm googling what i can on it short of downloading the damn film

Can you not watch it on Google video? I know you're on dial up and it might take some time to down load, but it is worth it.
 
El Barto
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Can you not watch it on Google video? I know you're on dial up and it might take some time to down load, but it is worth it.

Bear I don't want to find myself a year older by the time i watch it
 
CDNBear
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Bear I don't want to find myself a year older by the time i watch it

Sorry mate.
 
El Barto
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Sorry mate.

What is this film about , I am getting confused. They are talking about resource based economy. Theres a second film and a third in the works?
Where is this astrology part of it?
 
Johnnny
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Secondly, would the passing of time have an affect on the position, between how we see it today, and how it was viewed a millenia ago?

i think so, im not adept in that feld, but doesnt our galaxy revolve around the centre of the universe, so mabye things back then were closer to us than now.... Thats if your talking about the constellations
 
CDNBear
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What is this film about , I am getting confused. They are talking about resource based economy. Theres a second film and a third in the works?
Where is this astrology part of it?

The first 30 to 45 minutes of the first episode, is dedicated to proving that Christianity was a scam to con the masses into the control of the Romans. The movie lays out the foundation for this, by showing the pagan beliefs of the Zodiac. Then further along, makes claims about the sun aligning with Orion's belt, and Sirius, on December 25th, signifying the birth of the Sun, or "Son".
 
El Barto
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Our solar system goes through our galactic plain every 30 million years . A millenia or two would have very little difference i believe
 
El Barto
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The first 30 to 45 minutes of the first episode, is dedicated to proving that Christianity was a scam to con the masses into the control of the Romans. The movie lays out the foundation for this, by showing the pagan beliefs of the Zodiac. Then further along, makes claims about the sun aligning with Orion's belt, and Sirius, on December 25th, signifying the birth of the Sun, or "Son".

Or the Romans controll of the masses....change the winning conditions of conquering from land and resources to something less tangible as souls .
 
CDNBear
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Or the Romans controll of the masses....change the winning conditions of conquering from land and resources to something less tangible as souls .

More or less.
 
El Barto
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Advocations of The Zeitgeist Movement
In his

radio address Peter Joseph listed what the movement advocates:
  • No money: Money is socially paralyzing and it leads to traditional institutions perpetuating themselves and inhibiting progress. Instead, people should have free access to goods and services.
  • No property: Property identification creates waste, it's unsustainable and distracts people's identity: things you own end up owning you. Sharing leads to universal access to property, goods and technology. Universal access minimizes or even eliminates social stratification.
  • Automation: Using technology to automate repetitive and tedious tasks leads to efficiency and productivity. It is also socially responsible as people are freed from labor that undermines their intelligence. As technology progresses labor for income becomes obsolete.
  • Artificial intelligence: It is impossible for a human being to be fully objective. Machines don't have that problem. Also, machines can take into account more information. For people who are concerned that "the machine would take over", Peter Joseph states that programming of self-preservation into the machine would be unethical and dangerous.
  • Scientific method: It is a proven method that has stood the test of time and leads to discovery. Scientific method involves testing, getting feedback from natural world and physical law, evaluation of results, sharing data openly and requirement to replicate the test results. The scientific method is not based on beliefs but facts.
  • Technological unification: Monitoring planetary resources is needed in order to create an efficient system, and thus technology should be shared globally. Efficiency means, for instance, locality in production in order to meet the needs of global population and environment, i.e. respecting the carrying capacity of the Earth.
  • Sustainable city systems: Systems theory and systemic approach is the key. Self-sustaining globe and culture can be modeled on a smaller scale with a city-size system.

Man this is sounding more and more like the world of Star Trek
 
Johnnny
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Or the Romans controll of the masses....change the winning conditions of conquering from land and resources to something less tangible as souls .

it was a Public relations stunt by constantine and it worked , and probally why we arent muslim today,
 
El Barto
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damn i need to get my sound up and running
 
theconqueror
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On Catholic standby. sorry CDNBear, I can get serious too..
 
theconqueror
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While we're waiting for backup support, sounds like a cheap comeback to Da Vinci Code..
 
Cliffy
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The night sky looks different from different locations on the planet, especially in the north and south hemispheres. What I like to do with stuff like this is examine the information and ignore the author's conclusions. I learned that trick when I first came across Erich von Däniken. He presented interesting info, but he was such an egotistical dweeb that he turned off a lot of people.

The other thing is that taken on its own, any presentation is only one point of view. To really arm oneself with enough information to form an educated guess on any topic, one would have to consult multiple sources.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

The night sky looks different from different locations on the planet, especially in the north and south hemispheres. What I like to do with stuff like this is examine the information and ignore the author's conclusions. I learned that trick when I first came across Erich von Däniken. He presented interesting info, but he was such an egotistical dweeb that he turned off a lot of people.

Trust me, I understand that all to well. Try looking into the wide spread corruption surrounding international banking and you'll see what I'm going through trying to have a reasoned and intelligent conversation of that subject...

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The other thing is that taken on its own, any presentation is only one point of view. To really arm oneself with enough information to form an educated guess on any topic, one would have to consult multiple sources.

Agreed! Hence my baby steps in my conclusions, and reaching out to Dex.
 
Cliffy
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While we're waiting for backup support, sounds like a cheap comeback to Da Vinci Code..

The Da Vinci Code was a great bit of story telling. He presented a bunch of information (also excluded a bunch) to spin a great conspiracy theory and suspenseful drama. In other words, he took creative license with the facts to sell his book.
 

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