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"God doesn’t use anger to produce his righteousness in us. His wrath doesn’t move those in hell to love him. God imputes to us Christ’s righteousness, then moves us to obey out of gratitude. We love because he first loved us, not because he first intimidated us."
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Not sure but I think it would be closer to fall. I know where some grow in the Slocan but never picked them. Look for horse pastures. I hear they like horse puckies.
Who says he is not Alien and why would we not love him any less.. Strange thought is it not ?
If our God was actually from another world and it was so proven, what would the human race then think ? And would you all of a sudden lose "faith" just because ?

Why must God be Christian or even human form ?
Who says he is not Alien and why would we not love him any less.. Strange thought is it not ?
If our God was actually from another world and it was so proven, what would the human race then think ? And would you all of a sudden lose "faith" just because ?

"God doesn’t use anger to produce his righteousness in us. His wrath doesn’t move those in hell to love him. God imputes to us Christ’s righteousness, then moves us to obey out of gratitude. We love because he first loved us, not because he first intimidated us."
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"God doesn’t use anger to produce his righteousness in us. His wrath doesn’t move those in hell to love him. God imputes to us Christ’s righteousness, then moves us to obey out of gratitude. We love because he first loved us, not because he first intimidated us."
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I see no sign of his presence, past or present, and I've never seen anything offered in support of his existence that cannot be explained by much more prosaic means.

Agreed.
Good folks will tell you "the only truth we know about God is: we don't know ANYTHING at all." or "if God exists he's distant and unknowable." etc. I contend that if God created the entire universe, including earth and us, would he not care about his creation, much like how a painter cares for his masterpiece?

We only see some 80% of the spectrum of light.
If you were the "light of the world" the best place to hide would be in the light. maybe god is in the UV or IR ranges?

And I contend that what you call god is the universe because nothing can be created out of nothing. Oh ya! I forgot. He can create anything out of nothing because he is god. That would require him to break the laws of physics that he created. Not too logical, but then, blind faith never is. Your proofs of god seem more like the rantings of a child who refuses to accept that the easter bunny is a commercial and not real.

I disagree I suppose.
I don't think any philosophy can motivate us to love anyone or anything. The notion that we love because we are told to love is flawed, as is the idea that we love because we are told someone loves us.
I think if a person has love , that is where it was born, that is where it originated, with that person. It is theirs, and theirs alone. Not born of some philosophy, not scripted, not explained in simple terms of cause and effect.

I disagree I suppose.
I don't think any philosophy can motivate us to love anyone or anything. The notion that we love because we are told to love is flawed, as is the idea that we love because we are told someone loves us.
I think if a person has love , that is where it was born, that is where it originated, with that person. It is theirs, and theirs alone. Not born of some philosophy, not scripted, not explained in simple terms of cause and effect.