True religon

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Do you know what religion is? It is not the chant, it is not in the performance of puja, or any other ritual, it is not in the worship of tin gods or stone images, it is not in the temples and churches, it is not in the reading of the Bible or the Gita, it is not in the repeating of a sacred name or in the following of some other superstition invented by men. None of this is religion. Religion is the feeling of goodness that love which is like the river living moving everlastingly. In that state you will find there comes a moment when there is no longer any search at all; and this ending of search is the beginning of something totally different. The search for God, for truth, the feeling of being completely good - not the cultivation of goodness, of humility, but the seeking out of something beyond the inventions and tricks of the mind, which means having a feeling for that something, living in it, being it-that is true religion. But, you can do that only when you leave the pool you have dug for yourself and go out into the river of life. Then life has an astonishing way of taking care of you, because then there is no taking care on your part. Life carries you where it will because you are part of itself; then there is no problem of security, of what people say or don't say, and that is the beauty of life.
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A modern definition: the suspension of the rational faculties in favour of superstition and wish thinking. This suspension can be the malevolent, inadvertent or intentional subversion of reason which is necessary to create a believer in something irrational. When you have enough irrational believers you have a religion.

In Ancient times: the best explanation most people, of reasonable intelligence, could come up with, given the general lack of knowledge humanity had, was a supernatural explanation which taken to a logical conclusion created religion. The religion itself was a community of like minded individuals that believed generally in the same superstitious or supernatural things.
 
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Scott Free said:
A modern definition: the suspension of the rational faculties in favour of superstition and wish thinking. This suspension can be the malevolent, inadvertent or intentional subversion of reason which is necessary to create a believer in something irrational. When you have enough irrational believers you have a religion.

In Ancient times: the best explanation most people, of reasonable intelligence, could come up with, given the general lack of knowledge humanity had, was a supernatural explanation which taken to a logical conclusion created religion. The religion itself was a community of like minded individuals that believed generally in the same superstitious or supernatural things.
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Both of these definitions are excellent. Considering the amount of debate on this subject, it makes it easier for the layman to understand.

Thank you S.F.
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Scott Free said:
A modern definition: the suspension of the rational faculties in favour of superstition and wish thinking. This suspension can be the malevolent, inadvertent or intentional subversion of reason which is necessary to create a believer in something irrational. When you have enough irrational believers you have a religion.

In Ancient times: the best explanation most people, of reasonable intelligence, could come up with, given the general lack of knowledge humanity had, was a supernatural explanation which taken to a logical conclusion created religion. The religion itself was a community of like minded individuals that believed generally in the same superstitious or supernatural things.
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Nice post, couldn't have done it any better.;-)
 
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OK, this guy says that Jesus was tempted in every way you and I were then says "can you imagine Jesus thinking about raping a women; killing this old woman walking across the street; you know, cutting up these little children...."

I have never been tempted to rape anyone! I have never thought about killing an old lady for walking across the street and I have never been tempted to chop children up!!!

This guy is a complete ****ing lunatic!!!
 
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Vanni Fucci said:
Hisoricity of the Quran

this webs is lies ,

If you need know thing taken it from flowing cloudless not from his enemy ,

do not ask teacher language french to teach you chinese language ,

who search about truth will see it
Allah's Quran - Quran - A Guidance Without Doubt



Archaelogical Evidence Against the Quran
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http://forums.canadiancontent.net/spirituality-philosophy/77663-here-s-story-france-pharaoh.html

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Science/embryo.html
Quranic Embryological Inaccuracieshttp://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Science/embryo.html
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http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Science/embryo.html

YouTube - Scientist say after reading Quran. 12
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Vanni Fucci

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ahmadabdalrhman;1006241[B said:
this webs is lies ,[/B]

If you need know thing taken it from flowing cloudless not from his enemy ,

do not ask teacher language french to teach you chinese language ,

who search about truth will see it
Allah's Quran - Quran - A Guidance Without Doubt
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You regard all that have opposing views as the enemy, so what would be a valid source to appease you?

Perhaps an Imam that verified that the Quran is false?

I kind of think that would be a near impossible source to find, as the Quran is the Imam's bread and butter, without which they would have to find a real job...

Here's a site created by ex-Muslims...

Maybe this will suffice...

...but probably not...
 
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Vanni Fucci said:
You regard all that have opposing views as the enemy, so what would be a valid source to appease you?

Perhaps an Imam that verified that the Quran is false?

I kind of think that would be a near impossible source to find, as the Quran is the Imam's bread and butter, without which they would have to find a real job...

Here's a site created by ex-Muslims...

Maybe this will suffice...

...but probably not...
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YouTube - Scientist say after reading Quran.

YouTube - Scientist say after reading Quran. 2
 
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Islamic Science: Does Islamic literature contain scientific miracles?

The following Hadith speaks of monkeys that are Muslims:
Sahih Bulhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 188:

Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun:

During the pre-lslamic period of ignorance I saw a she-monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal sexual intercourse. I too, stoned it along with them.
It is a rule in both Islam and Judaism that women who commit adultery are to be stoned. According to the above Hadith monkeys were subject to this law as well. What other laws do monkeys follow? Are they required to make a pilgrimage to Mecca? Are they required to read the Qur'an? What constitutes adultery in the monkey world? This is simply a myth. This is similar to a story found in the Ramayana, an ancient Hindu epic, that talks of the monkey Hanuman, and others of his kind, fighting for control of the monkey kingdom.
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Conclusion

Muslims cite alleged scientific miracles in the Qur'an and Hadiths to try and prove a divine origin of their faith. In this short study of Islamic science, these claims have been debunked. Clearly there was no supernatural force giving Muhammad scientific information. While the Muslims argued that advanced scientific knowledge in the Qur'an is a sign of divine origin, the rational thinker points out that the numerous and obvious scientific errors point to a wholly human origin.
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ahmadabdalrhman

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Vanni Fucci said:
Islamic Science: Does Islamic literature contain scientific miracles?
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this web all it from fallacies

like : -

Quran [/b]70:4 (Whereby) the angels and the Spirit ascend unto Him in a Day whereof the span is fifty thousand years.

According to Islam, the Earth was created in 6 days, the accounting of which equals 50,000 years by human reckoning, so unless Islamic arithmetic is vastly different than what we know, I figure that to equal 300,000 years.
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070.004

Sahih International: The angels and the Spirit will ascend to Him during a Day the extent of which is fifty thousand years.

fifty thousand years that day not any day other


Quran 18:85-86 And he followed a road; Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.



Sahih International: Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people. Allah said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness."
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setting of the sun

mean

place of sun darkfall ( go away was Dhul-Qarnayn to the west )​


not setting-place

etc from fallacies...​
 
In Between Man

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Scott Free said:
A modern definition: the suspension of the rational faculties in favour of superstition and wish thinking. This suspension can be the malevolent, inadvertent or intentional subversion of reason which is necessary to create a believer in something irrational. When you have enough irrational believers you have a religion.

In Ancient times: the best explanation most people, of reasonable intelligence, could come up with, given the general lack of knowledge humanity had, was a supernatural explanation which taken to a logical conclusion created religion. The religion itself was a community of like minded individuals that believed generally in the same superstitious or supernatural things.
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Did Dawkins write that?
 
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