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April 10th, 2008, 10:30 PM
Besides, the context of this original post has changed quite dramatically.I refuse to have a battle of witts with an unarmed person.
Quoting Dexter Sinister
I wasn't aiming to be "precise" or begin an intensive, lengthy astronomy/geology lecture here, as the main question at hand was whether the Earth's axel has or hasn't shifted. Obviously you and your "little Skyglobe program" are never wrong!!
I have a little astronomy program called Skyglobe that shows the night sky on my monitor here based on the coordinates I give it for my location. It predates this supposed axis shift, so what it shows me ought to be different by 26 degrees from what I see when I step into my backyard at night and look up. It's not. You're wrong.
Besides, the context of this original post has changed quite dramatically.I refuse to have a battle of witts with an unarmed person. 
April 10th, 2008, 10:47 PM
Quoting Night Safari
LOL.... oh wow. You're coming into an argument with one of the sharpest scientific minds I've ever had the pleasure of meeting, and you're calling him unprepared because you got some bad info and can't (or won't) back up your assertions. I have to say, you've made my day, because that was one of the best funnies I've read in a while.
I wasn't aiming to be "precise" or begin an intensive, lengthy astronomy/geology lecture here, as the main question at hand was whether the Earth's axel has or hasn't shifted. Obviously you and your "little Skyglobe program" are never wrong!! Besides, the context of this original post has changed quite dramatically.I refuse to have a battle of witts with an unarmed person.
Besides, the context of this original post has changed quite dramatically.I refuse to have a battle of witts with an unarmed person. NHL Hockey Insider
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April 11th, 2008, 12:37 AM
Quoting karrie
I'll vouch for that Karrie!!!!
LOL.... oh wow. You're coming into an argument with one of the sharpest scientific minds I've ever had the pleasure of meeting, and you're calling him unprepared because you got some bad info and can't (or won't) back up your assertions. I have to say, you've made my day, because that was one of the best funnies I've read in a while.
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April 11th, 2008, 01:15 AM
But it appears I really don't need to defend myself against your follies, my respected Internet friends karrie and talloola have risen to the occasion. Thank you my friends, and blessings upon your households.
None of this has anything to do with where any of us see ourselves in 2020 though, so if you want to discuss this further, start a thread in the science forum about axial tilt. I caution you though: you'll get pounded. If anybody bothers to respond.
Quoting Night Safari
Axel? Witts? Is English your first language? And you're not aiming to be precise? You've made some fairly precise claims, like the earth's axial tilt being 49 degrees now, which it obviously is not if you have any observational skills at all. Evidently you don't. My point, which you obviously missed, was that my little Skyglobe program shows me what the night sky should look like from my latitude and longitude at a time and date I specify, and it's based on the assumption that the earth's axial tilt is about 23½ degrees from the ecliptic. It exactly matches what I see when I step out into my yard at night and look up. Therefore, it is right, and I am right, the observations match the predictions, and you are wrong. This is not a battle of wits, or even witts--and even if it were you'd be way over your head--it's about objectively verifiable empirical facts about the way things are.
I wasn't aiming to be "precise" or begin an intensive, lengthy astronomy/geology lecture here, as the main question at hand was whether the Earth's axel has or hasn't shifted. Obviously you and your "little Skyglobe program" are never wrong!! Besides, the context of this original post has changed quite dramatically.I refuse to have a battle of witts with an unarmed person.
Besides, the context of this original post has changed quite dramatically.I refuse to have a battle of witts with an unarmed person. But it appears I really don't need to defend myself against your follies, my respected Internet friends karrie and talloola have risen to the occasion. Thank you my friends, and blessings upon your households.
None of this has anything to do with where any of us see ourselves in 2020 though, so if you want to discuss this further, start a thread in the science forum about axial tilt. I caution you though: you'll get pounded. If anybody bothers to respond.
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April 11th, 2008, 01:38 AM
I will admit right from the start that I have no knowledge of my own, I depend on someone elses studies.
Your logical explanation seems to make sense to me, BUT what I read yesterday in Safari's link sounded also convincing. What am I to believe now?
I've been on this earth for a while, but never heard of any big change of the earth's position. Of course, if it is a very minute change over a long time period, we might not notice it for a while. Scientists might with their instruments, and isn't that what Safari is trying to tell us?
As I said, I don't know any of this stuff, but am now curious as to who of the two of you has it right?
Quoting Dexter Sinister
Hi, Dexter;
You don't appear to understand the concepts you're tossing around here. The ecliptic plane is the 2-dimensional surface defined by the earth's orbit around the sun. All the planets in the solar system define similar planes, all within a few degrees of the ecliptic. The sun's apparent path across the sky follows the ecliptic, and if you project the plane out onto the stars it runs through the middle of the zodiac, which is defined as a band 9 degrees to either side of it. The earth's rotational axis is tilted 23½ degrees to the plane of the ecliptic, which is what defines the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn on the planet. They are the points farthest north and south of the equator where the sun can appear directly overhead. If the earth's rotational axis had shifted by 26 degrees to 49 degrees with respect to the ecliptic, as you're claiming, the apparent positions of all stars, planets, the sun, and the moon, would also have shifted by 26 degrees.
I have a little astronomy program called Skyglobe that shows the night sky on my monitor here based on the coordinates I give it for my location. It predates this supposed axis shift, so what it shows me ought to be different by 26 degrees from what I see when I step into my backyard at night and look up. It's not. You're wrong.
I have a little astronomy program called Skyglobe that shows the night sky on my monitor here based on the coordinates I give it for my location. It predates this supposed axis shift, so what it shows me ought to be different by 26 degrees from what I see when I step into my backyard at night and look up. It's not. You're wrong.
I will admit right from the start that I have no knowledge of my own, I depend on someone elses studies.
Your logical explanation seems to make sense to me, BUT what I read yesterday in Safari's link sounded also convincing. What am I to believe now?
I've been on this earth for a while, but never heard of any big change of the earth's position. Of course, if it is a very minute change over a long time period, we might not notice it for a while. Scientists might with their instruments, and isn't that what Safari is trying to tell us?
As I said, I don't know any of this stuff, but am now curious as to who of the two of you has it right?
April 11th, 2008, 02:00 AM
The guy he's linking to is prone to indulge in imagination. Here is something else he wrote about:
The guy he's linking to is prone to indulge in imagination. Here is something else he wrote about:
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There is no reference to anyone "trying to cool the planet" that I can see.
I do know that in addition to the projects listed in the UK document, that our country is seeding the air… I had thought the Chem Trails theory to be hokey… but I saw them myself the other day and guess what I found on the Official State of Texas website? They have an entire section of the official TX website showing the rules for weather modification and forms for applying for a weather modification license. No kidding… so this is real. I saw them doing it myself as they turned a clear sky into a cloudy one, less that a week ago… and they were not using crop dusters. These were fast moving, USAF jets at about 45,000 ft.
Here is the link to the State of TX website, licensing division for weather modification. I would not have believed it if I had not seen it. So apparently, they are trying to cool down the planet.. but if some of those rumors about them using powdered aluminum are true… we are all in serious health jeopardy. No wonder the asthma levels and respiratory infections have gone sky high.
http://www.license.state.tx.us/weather/weatherrules.htm#7911
Here is the link to the State of TX website, licensing division for weather modification. I would not have believed it if I had not seen it. So apparently, they are trying to cool down the planet.. but if some of those rumors about them using powdered aluminum are true… we are all in serious health jeopardy. No wonder the asthma levels and respiratory infections have gone sky high.
http://www.license.state.tx.us/weather/weatherrules.htm#7911
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April 11th, 2008, 02:02 AM
Quoting dancing-loon
I do. If I'm wrong, there would be obvious effects that every amateur and professional astronomer on the planet would have noticed and it would have been front page stuff for every newspaper and magazine in the world. You'd have heard about it before now.
... but am now curious as to who of the two of you has it right?
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April 11th, 2008, 12:11 PM
, you are right!
Quoting Dexter Sinister
Yes, I would think so. A 26 degree change is not that minuscule. So, let's agree, for now
I do. If I'm wrong, there would be obvious effects that every amateur and professional astronomer on the planet would have noticed and it would have been front page stuff for every newspaper and magazine in the world. You'd have heard about it before now.
, you are right!
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April 11th, 2008, 05:42 PM
My "typo's?" I admit my emotions got the better of me. Finding myself with both feet in my mouth, I hope you can forgive me please. I am truly sorry for any personal insults my posts may have caused you.
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I most certainly agree with you on that now. I do however owe you an enormous apology!! I had come across some facinating reading material which did include the website I posted. I was so conviced that these "facts" were indeed correct, I lost sight of everything else and never once thought otherwise.I now realize my own common sense should have concluded what most everyone else did and has. Dexter Sinister
Axel? Witts? Is English your first language? And you're not aiming to be precise? You've made some fairly precise claims, like the earth's axial tilt being 49 degrees now, which it obviously is not if you have any observational skills at all.
Axel? Witts? Is English your first language? And you're not aiming to be precise? You've made some fairly precise claims, like the earth's axial tilt being 49 degrees now, which it obviously is not if you have any observational skills at all.
My "typo's?" I admit my emotions got the better of me. Finding myself with both feet in my mouth, I hope you can forgive me please. I am truly sorry for any personal insults my posts may have caused you.
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April 11th, 2008, 07:45 PM
Hi Dexter and Safari;
I took a break from politics and searched the web for E. Cayce's predictions.
Following is his "shifting of the poles" story:
He is actually talking about the magnetic pole shift, not the earth's axis. Somewhere I did read about him saying the earth's axis will upright itself.
Hi Dexter and Safari;
I took a break from politics and searched the web for E. Cayce's predictions.
Following is his "shifting of the poles" story:
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Hmm.... moss and fern grows already now in my garden, especially in the shady and more damper spots! Foresaw a shift of the earth's poles around the millennium In the late 1920's and early 1930's, Cayce was the first to describe the concept of the shifting of the pole as a result of the crust of the Earth moving independently from the core of the Earth to bring different a surface area over the spin axis. During the past 30 years, this concept has received more and more attention by geophysicists, some of whom now seriously argue that the crust does move independently. Some geophysicists now also argue that the best way to explain a variety of paleo sea-level and other data is that it moves and shifts fairly frequently and more rapidly than previously imagined.
Cayce predicted changes to the earth surface to begin some time between 1958 and 1998. The cause of these dramatic earth changes will be the shift in the world's magnetic poles around the year 2000. Cayce predicted that when this pole shift occurs it would begin reversals in the world's climate so that:
Cayce predicted changes to the earth surface to begin some time between 1958 and 1998. The cause of these dramatic earth changes will be the shift in the world's magnetic poles around the year 2000. Cayce predicted that when this pole shift occurs it would begin reversals in the world's climate so that:
"..where there has been a frigid or semi-tropical climate, there will be a more tropical one, and moss and fern will grow."
Cayce's prediction of a pole shift occurred in 1998. According to NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, in 1998 something changed the earth's gravitational field which moved the magnetic poles closer together. The NASA article explained that as the ice on the poles melted, ocean currents moved water toward the equator, which factors researchers believe to be partly responsible, in conjunction with shifts in atmospheric patterns, for this ongoing shift in the earth's magnetic field. This NASA finding affirms Cayce's prediction of a pole shift. He is actually talking about the magnetic pole shift, not the earth's axis. Somewhere I did read about him saying the earth's axis will upright itself. sick and twisted
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April 11th, 2008, 08:34 PM
Yay Dex.
Ok, in 2020...........I will be..............76.......................YIKES!!
Hopefully, still pickin an a grinnin, paddlin a canoe, or maybe chasin the nurses around the ol folks home.
Or, raisin daisies.
HOOOONOSE??
Maybe I'll be out ther kalkulatin axi.......axises......?.......axcesus.........look in at the moon. Howlin at the moon........................axxesses?
(gotta be in here somewhere.....axi.....axis.......)
Yay Dex.
Ok, in 2020...........I will be..............76.......................YIKES!!
Hopefully, still pickin an a grinnin, paddlin a canoe, or maybe chasin the nurses around the ol folks home.
Or, raisin daisies.
HOOOONOSE??
Maybe I'll be out ther kalkulatin axi.......axises......?.......axcesus.........look in at the moon. Howlin at the moon........................axxesses?
(gotta be in here somewhere.....axi.....axis.......) Council Member
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April 11th, 2008, 09:24 PM
Hi, Safari;
I've been looking around and found this wonderful visual explanation. Did you see that, too? Have a look here:
http://www.divulgence.net/
Hi, Safari;
I've been looking around and found this wonderful visual explanation. Did you see that, too? Have a look here:
http://www.divulgence.net/
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April 12th, 2008, 02:20 AM
Quoting Night Safari
Ah, no probs man, ya gotta be pretty thick-skinned to hang around Internet message boards and it takes far worse than anything you posted to really piss me off. And for such a gracious and heartfelt apology, all is easily forgiven. Don't worry about it, you're obviously not stupid, you just got misled for a while, and who among us has never fallen into that trap? I'm okay, and so are you.
...I hope you can forgive me please.
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April 12th, 2008, 03:25 AM
Once in a Lifetime
I may find myself living in a shotgun shack
I may find myself in another part of the world
I may find myself behind the wheel of a large automobile (hopefully electric!)
And I may find myself with a beautiful house and a beautiful wife (husband!)
And I may ask myself..WELL, How did I get here?
Wherever I am in 2020, I hope I am with the one I love.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mHnz...eature=related
Once in a Lifetime
I may find myself living in a shotgun shack
I may find myself in another part of the world
I may find myself behind the wheel of a large automobile (hopefully electric!)
And I may find myself with a beautiful house and a beautiful wife (husband!)
And I may ask myself..WELL, How did I get here?
Wherever I am in 2020, I hope I am with the one I love.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mHnz...eature=related
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April 12th, 2008, 10:26 PM
Where will Canada be in 2020?
Oct. 12, 2006
Canada sans Quebec, the 51st state by Chantal Hébert
"The eyes of the world are on the former Canadian federation on this first Tuesday of November 2020 as its 19 million voters participate for the first time in an American presidential election as full-fledged U.S. citizens."
Where will Canada be in 2020?
Oct. 12, 2006
Canada sans Quebec, the 51st state by Chantal Hébert
"The eyes of the world are on the former Canadian federation on this first Tuesday of November 2020 as its 19 million voters participate for the first time in an American presidential election as full-fledged U.S. citizens."
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April 13th, 2008, 12:36 AM
I think that would seriously suck out loud. I'm not particularly anti-American, at least no more than any thoughtful Canadian is likely to be (and whatever "anti" I have is directed at the government, not the people), but I don't want to be one of them.
I think that would seriously suck out loud. I'm not particularly anti-American, at least no more than any thoughtful Canadian is likely to be (and whatever "anti" I have is directed at the government, not the people), but I don't want to be one of them.
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April 13th, 2008, 01:55 AM
leaning against our 30 some odd million, can you imagine, if 'one' of our provinces decided
to become part of the u.s., it would be like a 'hole in a dyke', and all of a sudden that
province would be bulging as well, and 'full' of people, no way man, never, I love all of our room to roam, lets keep it that way.
Quoting Dexter Sinister
All along the 49th parallel the border is bulging with the force of 300 million people,
I think that would seriously suck out loud. I'm not particularly anti-American, at least no more than any thoughtful Canadian is likely to be (and whatever "anti" I have is directed at the government, not the people), but I don't want to be one of them.
leaning against our 30 some odd million, can you imagine, if 'one' of our provinces decided
to become part of the u.s., it would be like a 'hole in a dyke', and all of a sudden that
province would be bulging as well, and 'full' of people, no way man, never, I love all of our room to roam, lets keep it that way.
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April 13th, 2008, 07:24 PM
Quoting Dexter Sinister
Thanks for the friendly "heads up." I'll keep my Kevlar vest handy.
Ah, no probs man, ya gotta be pretty thick-skinned to hang around Internet message boards ....
