To observe without the thinker.

[china]

Is it possible to observe without the thinker? I look at everything with an image, with a symbol, with memory, with knowledge. I look at my friend, at my wife, at my neighbour, with the image which thought has built. I look at my wife with the image I have about her, and she looks at me with the image she has about me: the relationship is between these two images. This is a fact—it’s not an invention on my part—it’s a fact! Thought has built these symbols, images, ideas. Can I look, at first, at a tree, at a lower, at the sky, at the cloud, without an image? The image of the tree is the word I have learnt which gives a certain name to the tree, tells its species, and recalls its beauty. Can I look at that tree, at that cloud, at that lower, without thought, without the image? That’s fairly easy to do, if you have done it. But can I look—without the image—at a human being with whom I am intimate, whom I consider as wife, husband, child? If I can’t, there is no real relationship: the only relationship is between the images that we both have. So can I look at life—the clouds, the stars, the trees, the river, the bird in the air, my wife, my child, my neighbour, this whole earth—can I look at it all without the image? Though you have insulted me, though you have hurt me, though you have said nasty things about me or praised me, can I look at you without the image or the memory of what you have done and said to me?Just a question.

 

[look3467]

Is it possible to observe without the thinker? >>>china

First, knowledge, then understanding, and finally, wisdom, in that order.

PRO 24:3 Through wisdom is an house built; and by understanding it is established: ​

PRO 24:4 And by knowledge shall the chambers be filled with all precious and pleasant riches.​

First we acquire knowledge, then we have to experience it to understand it, and finally, if we learned it well, we acquire wisdom.​

If you notice, there are three? one doubled makes two and than it becomes real, three.​

God doubles things and on the third time brings it to pass.​

First, knowledge is the tree of knowledge, second the experience (Fall)[understanding] and third, wisdom, gain from the first two.​

So wisdom builds ones house, of what type it is, Godly or worldly?​

Peace>>>AJ​

 

[Twila]

I once saw my bf in such a rage that his entire face changed from one of familiarity to that of a stranger. I think the image I'd held of him in my mind changed for ever after that.

It was fragmented, no longer whole.

 

[hermanntrude]

God doubles things and on the third time brings it to pass.​

So he doubled man to make man and woman.... are we awaiting a third sex?

 

[look3467]

So he doubled man to make man and woman.... are we awaiting a third sex?

You have Adam (1) representing the spirit of God, Eve (2) representing the flesh and the soul (3)making of two one complete individual.

If you can appreciate the wonderful works of God, only then, can you have an understanding of Him.
Psa 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

China are you trying to eliminate the mundane sundry world?
It can't be done. It's not asked of those on the path either.
If you can empty yourself of all the above whilst contemplating Sunyata, well there is accomplishment.

 

[hermanntrude]

I can do almost everything without thinking at all :0)

 

[look3467]

I can do almost everything without thinking at all :0)

You mean......you think.....you can do almost everything?
Can you reconcile thinking without thinking? Hmmm?

Peace>>>AJ

 

[hermanntrude]

I can do anything without thinking :0) it comes naturally

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

You mean......you think.....you can do almost everything?
Can you reconcile thinking without thinking? Hmmm?

Peace>>>AJ

wow have i got an ashram for you....lol

How ya doin AJ....things good ....

i know i go over the edge with some of my religous stuff....but religion is just too damn religous for me now....

 

[look3467]

wow have i got an ashram for you....lol

How ya doin AJ....things good ....

i know i go over the edge with some of my religous stuff....but religion is just too damn religous for me now....

Doc, we are all in this world together, same time, different place. One thing fer-sure, we all gotta die one day.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[china]

look3467
Thanks for the answer,

First we acquire knowledge, then we have to experience it to understand it, and finally, if we learned it well, we acquire wisdom.

There is no movement of learning when there is the acquisition of knowledge; the two are incompatible, they are contradictory. The movement of learning implies a state in which the mind has no previous experience stored up as knowledge. Knowledge is acquired, whereas learning is a constant movement which is not an additive or acquisitive process; therefore, the movement of learning implies a state in which the mind has no authority. All knowledge assumes authority, and a mind that is entrenched in the authority of knowledge cannot possibly learn. The mind can learn only when the additive process has completely ceased. The mind that is merely acquiring knowledge is old, stagnant, corrupted by the past. An innocent mind perceives instantly, it is learning all the time without accumulating, and such a mind alone is mature.

 

[look3467]

There is no movement of learning when there is the acquisition of knowledge; the two are incompatible, they are contradictory. The movement of learning implies a state in which the mind has no previous experience stored up as knowledge. Knowledge is acquired, whereas learning is a constant movement which is not an additive or acquisitive process; therefore, the movement of learning implies a state in which the mind has no authority. All knowledge assumes authority, and a mind that is entrenched in the authority of knowledge cannot possibly learn. The mind can learn only when the additive process has completely ceased. The mind that is merely acquiring knowledge is old, stagnant, corrupted by the past. An innocent mind perceives instantly, it is learning all the time without accumulating, and such a mind alone is mature.>>>china

I believe china, that you have just about discovered the reason for the fall of mankind as already been allotted to in the scriptures.

… “All knowledge assumes authority”… I would like to couple that with this verse: Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.



What this is saying and as I believe you can see it to, is that knowledge acquired that our eyes are opened to power, as in being in authority or as like gods.

The cliché that “knowledge is power” is exactly the truth. One who knows the laws may be able to slip through a loop hole, while the poor ignorant soul, pays the price.

My point is that the acquisition of knowledge is what is separates the human from God because the human assumes authority as like a god, independent of God’s authority so as to become dead to God.

It is the “I”, the ego that is in question against what God is.

So, in order for God to dethrone that egotistical attitude based on the acquisition of knowledge in order to make that soul serviceable must submit that soul to the earth experience.
Enter this verse: Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

Enter, the tree of knowledge as the symbol for that dethroning or fall, if you will, because than the soul must travail within the conditions of the playing field as laid out by God as the tool for dethroning mankind’s attitudes.

Those conditions, the playing field conditions, are what I understand to be the adversary of God.
This adversary, called Satan is God’s instrument.

If then, we can understand it that way, verses the hell damnation, fire and brimstone hell, we can come to the truth of who God really is and how His wonderful works apply to all of us.

You have come to that understanding, I’m believing, from a different source, a different direction, but still the same conclusion.

I can appreciate the dept of you’re understanding in seeing that mystery.

. An innocent mind perceives instantly, it is learning all the time without accumulating, and such a mind alone is mature.>>>china

Like to add this verse: Mar 10:14 But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[china]

<img>look3467,
Thanks for your post.

Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

For the children are without ......

the “I”, the ego that is in question against what God is.

 

[china]

DocDred,

China are you trying to eliminate the mundane sundry world?
It can't be done. It's not asked of those on the path either.
If you can empty yourself of all the above whilst contemplating Sunyata, well there is accomplishment.

Nop Doc, I'd rather sit and contemplate about what I can do with all the money ( tax free) that I have made, and all that residual income that I'm getting for the next 10 + years ; thanks for your advice though .Long live sales and marketing .