Ontario state-Internet gambling


Andem
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TORONTO — Ontario will consider state-sponsored Internet gambling, Premier Dalton McGuinty said Tuesday, days after the provincial gaming agency said it is looking at taking a cut from the online poker business.

"I would want to talk to the minister about that," McGuinty told reporters Tuesday morning. "I think we've got to make a call on that . . . It's not something we can avoid."

On Friday, new Ontario Lottery and Gaming Corporation chairman Paul Godfrey said the province would consider Internet gambling in the face of slipping revenues.

"When you see what's going on in British Columbia, Quebec and the Atlantic provinces . . . it's something I would explore," Godfrey said on taking the helm at OLG. "Money is going out of this province to other provinces as well as offshore sites."
Ontario's scandal-plagued lottery corporation puts about $1.9 billion into provincial coffers every year.

McGuinty has in the past closed the door on such things as corner-store liquor sales, saying he believes children are better protected under a government monopoly.
He believes there is an ethical difference with Internet gambling, which allows faceless customers to wager thousands of dollars per minute, often in the comfort of their living rooms.

"The difference is we can control whether or not there is corner store sales for beer or wine," McGuinty said Tuesday. "Internet gambling is taking place. It's already there. The issue is what do we want to do in the face of that."

More than one-third of the province's gaming revenue comes from people with a moderate to severe gambling addiction, according to a 2004 study.

"We have problem gambling situations in this province that we're not dealing with," said provincial NDP Leader Andrea Horwath. "At this point I don't think there's any necessity to expand into Internet gambling."

Loto-Quebec recently announced it will launch an online poker site this fall.
It hopes the new site will counter the thousands of illegal gambling websites that already exist and forecasts it will make $50 million by 2012.

The site will be launched in partnership with the Atlantic and B.C. lottery corporations, which already have their own online ventures.

"It's our governments that are the most addicted to gambling," said Dr. Jeff Derevensky, co-founder of the International Centre for Youth Gambling Problems and High Risk Behaviours at McGill University. "They're addicted to the revenue. There is no great social consciousness. This is a money-making operation, that's quite clear."

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As if Ontario isn't irresponsible enough with their provincial casinos, with a very weak support system for problem-gamblers. Now they want to support the worst type of gambling? It's been all but outlawed in the US. Instead of getting in on a despicable business, why not just outlaw it?
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by AndemView Post

As if Ontario isn't irresponsible enough with their provincial casinos, with a very weak support system for problem-gamblers. Now they want to support the worst type of gambling? It's been all but outlawed in the US. Instead of getting in on a despicable business, why not just outlaw it?

Andem, please don't start being a "nanny stater" now...

People are accountable for their own actions.
 
Andem
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Andem, please don't start being a "nanny stater" now...

People are accountable for their own actions.

True. But the Ontario government is supposed to have a support system for gamblers with problems and they aren't taking care of their responsibility to them. I just don't think online gambling is really the place for the government to be. They're getting into it because they're jealous of the other provinces who are making $$ from the business instead of taking a more responsible approach.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by AndemView Post

True. But the Ontario government is supposed to have a support system for gamblers with problems and they aren't taking care of their responsibility to them. I just don't think online gambling is really the place for the government to be. They're getting into it because they're jealous of the other provinces who are making $$ from the business instead of taking a more responsible approach.

Andem! Dude!!!??? Since when have you seen our Feds act responsibly?

This is a cash cow. A license to print money. As Ontario slips into the have not status this Gov't so kindly created, it's scrambling to come up with ways to get out of the hole.

This is as viable an option as legal prostitution! Which of course we already have, but all the who!es are to busy writing or manipulating legislation to service the general public...
 
Avro
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Gambling does not wear a political stripe, they are all hooked on it. We all know why, the house always wins in the end. Is it worth it, not so sure it is. Many people lose everything and I mean everything from gambling. It's always easy to say that it comes down to choice but addiction is a very powerful enemy and can consume someone when they least expect it. An employee of mine went through this....lost his house and started stealing from me....he was a valued asset so I got him some help. He has recovered but what a mess he made.
 
Andem
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It's the same thing with alcohol and cigarettes. They do so very little to help the people with these addictions and yet they make so much money off of them.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by AndemView Post

It's the same thing with alcohol and cigarettes. They do so very little to help the people with these addictions and yet they make so much money off of them.

Isn't that sort of counter productive?

I mean seriously, why do you want to fix the problem, when the problem can make you so much damn money?

The Gov't is not in the business, and should not be in the business of babysitting people.

If you want to gamble away the kids college fund, or the mortgage payment, you should be free to do so. If you steal to feed your habit, do not pass go, go straight to jail.

If the Gov't actually invested enough into the safety net, it wouldn't make any money from this venture.
 
Avro
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Isn't that sort of counter productive?

I mean seriously, why do you want to fix the problem, when the problem can make you so much damn money?

The Gov't is not in the business, and should not be in the business of babysitting people.

If you want to gamble away the kids college fund, or the mortgage payment, you should be free to do so. If you steal to feed your habit, do not pass go, go straight to jail.

If the Gov't actually invested enough into the safety net, it wouldn't make any money from this venture.

Not a point I agree with and ever will.

Why have the police, I can defend myself.

Why have fire fighters, I can put out my own fires.

Why have roads, I can make my own paths.

Why have schools, I can educate my own kids.

Why have hospitals, I can pay for it myself.

Why have parks, I can buy my own land.

Why have a military, I can fight my own wars.



etc etc etc.....it's a libertarian concept that reeks of selfishness and greed.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by AvroView Post

Not a point I agree with and ever will.

Why have the police, I can defend myself.

Why have fire fighters, I can put out my own fires.

Why have roads, I can make my own paths.

Why have schools, I can educate my own kids.

Why have hospitals, I can pay for it myself.

Why have parks, I can buy my own land.

Why have a military, I can fight my own wars.



etc etc etc.....it's a libertarian concept that reeks of selfishness and greed.

I'll actually agree with the latter...

But let me clarify, there are areas in which socialized services are a benefit. But having the Gov't be Daddy to those that can't think for themselves, and can't accept their own responsibility, not because they haven't the faculties, but actually make a concerted effort to be stupid, is a waste of money.

There are actually underfunded social programs that I feel are far more important then holding a gambling addicts hand.
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Avro
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

I'll actually agree with the latter...

But let me clarify, there are areas in which socialized services are a benefit. But having the Gov't be Daddy to those that can't think for themselves, and can't accept their own responsibility, is a waste of money.

There are actually underfunded social programs that I feel are far more important then holding a gambling addicts hand.

I'll graciously disagree with you on this Bear. Sometimes, in extreme cases such as addiction, we should offer some sort of help.

Especially when we are peddling the product that they are addicted to.

Have a good one.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by AvroView Post

I'll graciously disagree with you on this Bear. Sometimes, in extreme cases such as addiction, we should offer some sort of help.

We already do, it's just not being managed properly.

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Especially when we are peddling the product that they are addicted to.

Like I said, it's counter productive to try and stop people from doing what makes you money.
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Have a good one.

You to dude.

And with that, I'll agree to disagree with you...good call.
 
Trex
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Gambling is sometimes known as a 'Tax on the Stupid".
Provincial governments make a killing on gambling and the video slots.
Why would they not go after a chunk of the on-line gambling money?

Trex
 
petros
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Does ON have VLTs?
 
DurkaDurka
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Does ON have VLTs?

negative.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Does ON have VLTs?

Nope
 
DurkaDurka
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McGuinty will do just about anything to bring in more dollars it seems.

I love how he is trying to sell the HST as a benefit to us, what a schmuck.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurkaView Post

McGuinty will do just about anything to bring in more dollars it seems.

I love how he is trying to sell the HST as a benefit to us, what a schmuck.

 
petros
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No VLTs and straight to on-line?

Oh Jesus. I'd better plant an extra acre or two of potatos. I'll deliver as far as Kenora. Let McGuinty know help is on the way in September.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

No VLTs and straight to on-line?

Oh Jesus. I'd better plant an extra acre or two of potatos. I'll deliver as far as Kenora. Let McGuinty know help is on the way in September.

 
petros
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I'm serious. If they go digital gambling of any kind the **** is going to hit the fan in ways ON has never dreamed possible.
 
DurkaDurka
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

I'm serious. If they go digital gambling of any kind the **** is going to hit the fan in ways ON has never dreamed possible.

Ontario ponders joining other provinces allowing online gambling - thestar.com

The Toronto Star has a good story on it, apparently online gambling is all the rage with various provinces it seems.

This kinda scares me, "The Atlantic Lottery Corp.’s website, in operation for six years, has five interactive games including Hold’em Poker. British Columbia offers online poker, and imposes a $10,000 a week limit on gamblers."

10 Grand weekly seems more then enough to bankrupt all sorts of irresponsible gamblers. I don't necessarily have a problem with online gambling per se, but I think the limit should be maybe 10% of that.

In the end, I don't gamble so it doesn't effect me much but I can this contributing to all sorts of misery.
 
petros
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That articles is seriously tainted.

Look at who they are quoting "International Centre for Youth Gambling Problems and High Risk Behaviours."

Do any of the quotes from that agency speak the obvious circumstances or has it been written to make it sound like "Well kids are already at risk for blah blah blah. So why....?"
 
pfezziwig
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Morally and intellectually bankrupt are the provincially leaders. the only way to dig themselves out of the hole is monopolizing gambling like the mafia used to, locking out the private sector and further stiffling entrpreneurs, who are the only true solutions to economic woes.
 
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