Proposal for second-language-education reform in Ontario

Machjo

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I'll post a tentative proposal for second-language education reform for Ontario, and would be interested in any respectful critique or sugestion, ideas, etc.

Essentially, it aims at satisfying various requirements:

For socialists, it ensures universal compulsory education.

For libertarians, it grants at least mroe school choice than it provides now.

It also aims at satisfying concerns for the local indigenous languages, the sign-language community, and international language justice.

Needless to say, the attempt to address all of these concerns simultaneously will obviously lead to a somewhat eclectice mix of proposals.

But anyway, I'll post in the the following post, and woudl certainly be open to any proposals for improvement, etc.
 

Machjo

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Proposal for second-language education reform for the Province of Ontario


Section 1: Language choice in school

    1. The Ontario Ministry of Education (MoE), a local indigenous education authority (hereinafter referred to as LIEA), or a local sign-language education authority (hereinafter referred to as LSLEA) shall grant each school the freedom to teach the second-language of its choice, either to be chosen among course plans that have already been approved by the MoE, LIEA, or LSLEA or to be created by the school as a course plan to be presented to the MoE, LIEA, or LSLEA for approval, to be approved based on the pedagogical soundness of the course plan.
    2. The MoE, LIEA, or LSLEA shall grant each pupil the freedom to choose to be tested in the second-language of his choice to fulfil compulsory graduation requirements, to be chosen among tests already approved by the MoE, LIEA, or LSLEA.

Rationale: The Hague Recommendations Regarding The Education Rights of National Minorities & Explanatory Notes (http://www.osce.org/documents/hcnm/1996/10/2700_en.pdf)
The Universal Declaration of Linguistic Rights (http://www.unesco.org/cpp/uk/declarations/linguistic.pdf)
United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (http://www.un.org/esa/socdev/unpfii/en/drip.html)
What is Sign Language, Linguistic Rights in the UN Recommendations and Conventions, and the Status of Sign Languages in the UN Member States (www.un.org/esa/socdev/enable//rights/ahc5docs/ahc5wfdside.ppt)




Section 2: School choice

    1. The MoE shall provide a school voucher to parents for each school pupil under their care, to be accepted in any voucher school (i.e. any school participating in the voucher programme).

Rationale: The Hague Recommendations Regarding The Education Rights of National Minorities & Explanatory Notes (http://www.osce.org/documents/hcnm/1996/10/2700_en.pdf)
Universal Declaration of Human Rights (http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_choice#Choice_as_an_International_Human_Right


Section 3: School participation in the voucher programme

    1. Each state-owned school shall participate in the voucher programme.
    2. Each non-state-owned school shall be free to apply to the MoE, the LIEA, or a LSLEA for participation in the voucher programme, with the LIEA and LSLEA being free to establish their own participation requirements independently of the MoE, with the MoE honouring all applications accepted by the LIEA or LSLEA.
    3. Each non-state-owned school applying directly to the MoE for participation in the voucher programme shall:
      a) charge no additional fees,
      b) select pupils on a first-come-first-served basis,
      c) offer a minimum of a six-year hundred-hours-per-year Esperanto course to eight-year-old pupils, and a four-year hundred-hours-per-year local-indigenous-language course to ten-year-old pupils.
      d) make the learning of a second-language compulsory for at least one hundred hours per year for six years for pupils between the ages of eight and ten, or for as much time as it is required in public schools, whichever is greater.

Rationale: The Hague Recommendations Regarding The Education Rights of National Minorities & Explanatory Notes (http://www.osce.org/documents/hcnm/1996/10/2700_en.pdf)
UNESCO Resolutions in favour of Esperanto (http://e.euroscola.free.fr/unesco-en.htm)
Research on the propaedeutic value of Esperanto (http://www.springboard2languages.org/documents/springboard_rationale.pdf)
United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (http://www.un.org/esa/socdev/unpfii/en/drip.html)
What is Sign Language, Linguistic Rights in the UN Recommendations and Conventions, and the Status of Sign Languages in the UN Member States (www.un.org/esa/socdev/enable//rights/ahc5docs/ahc5wfdside.ppt)
Research suggesting that sign language may be particularly useful parents of infants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_Sign#Research)
 

gerryh

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I'd never vote for it. Canada has 2 official languages, French nd English. Ontario recognises those 2 languages as official.

At this time, the ministry of education in Ontario gives schools the right to teach local First Nation Languages IF there is the demand and resources available. IE, a teacher and a demand for the language. I have previously supplied you with the pertinant links in regard to this.

At this point in time "Esperanto" s NOT a recognised "universal language", though there are some that would like it to be. It would take away resources for other things to spend the time and money to implement the teaching of this language. The "forcing" of nonindiginous students to learn an indiginous language could also take away time and resources that could be betterspent on someother educational endevour rather than learning a language that very few actually speak.

With the constant talk of educational funding shortfalls in almost every educational district in the province, the above proposal would only increase those shortfalls and add to the inequity some districts find themselves in at this time.

Sign language is anoher specialized language that need only be taught to those that show an interest or a need. This is already taken care of.
 

Machjo

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I'd never vote for it. Canada has 2 official languages, French nd English. Ontario recognises those 2 languages as official.

That's at the federal level. Ontario does not have French as its official language; it merely grants French a sepcial but secondary status already anyway.

At this time, the ministry of education in Ontario gives schools the right to teach local First Nation Languages IF there is the demand and resources available. IE, a teacher and a demand for the language. I have previously supplied you with the pertinant links in regard to this.

I see no problem with that. However, if a privte school were interested in offering the local indigenous language, and parents were interested in registering their children to that school, why woudl you oppose that?

At this point in time "Esperanto" s NOT a recognised "universal language", though there are some that would like it to be.

It depends on what you mean by 'recognized'. UNESCO has already officially expressed its moral support for it, and a number of countries allow it in their education systems already. In fact, Canada has joined their ranks this September. There is now an elementary school in Halifax teaching it as an optional second-language starting this year. Add to that that research shows that Esperanto can also serve as an excellent propaedeutic in the learning of other languages.

It would take away resources for other things to spend the time and money to implement the teaching of this language.

How so? If we give parents a school voucher for each child, and they are free to send their child to the school of their choice, whether they choose to have their child learn French or Esperanto would come out to the same thing price-wise. It would just be the difference between an Esperanto teacher and a French teacher. So how would this increase costs? All it would do would be to shift costs according to the free market. And of course if parents choose not to have their children learn Esperanto, or no private school chooses to participate in the voucher programme, then there would be no change. So what would be the issue with that?

The "forcing" of nonindiginous students to learn an indiginous language could also take away time and resources that could be betterspent on some other educational endevour rather than learning a language that very few actually speak.

That's why I'd stated that non-state-owned schools choosing to participate in the voucher programme would be required to offer, not necessarily teach, the local indigenous language. Now of course offering implies that the school must ensure the resources, human and otherwise, are available to deliver on the offer should parents in fact take the school up on the offer. I should add too that it was quite clear that non-state-owned schools would be free to chosoe to participate or not in teh voucehr programme. So if a school didn't like the deal, then it could continue on as it is now, receiving no government funding but teaching as it wishes, in which case it would notice no change from now. So again, where would be the issue there?

With the constant talk of educational funding shortfalls in almost every educational district in the province, the above proposal would only increase those shortfalls and add to the inequity some districts find themselves in at this time.

Howso? If a non-state-owned school should choose to participate in the voucher programme, it would get funding proportionately to the number of children it attracts. Funding for public schools would likewise drop proportionately to the number of pupils they'd lose. As such, if the school gets less funding but fewer pupils, it therefore needs less funding anyway, since it would be responsible for fewer pupils. And if it gets more funding, then it gets more pupils for it, so it would naturally balance out in the end. A voucher programme has been in place in Sweden for about 15 years now, and even the Social Democratic Party now supports it!

As for state-owned schools teaching the second-language of their choice, of course they could do so only if they can budget properly to accomplish this task, or alternatively to attract charitable donations. So again, where would be the issue with that?

Sign language is anoher specialized language that need only be taught to those that show an interest or a need. This is already taken care of.

IN some shools, yes, but if more people learnt it, it woudl help the deaf community to further integrate. In some countries, the national sign language is also one of the official languages of state!

Anyway, that aside, again, where did it say anywhere that anyone woudl force any school to teach any sign language. That woudl be a decision for the school to make based on its financial resources. So again, where would be the issue with this?
 

Machjo

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Correction:

Section 3.d:

d) make the learning of a second-language compulsory for at least one hundred hours per year for six years for pupils between the ages of eight and fifteen, or for as much time as it is required in public schools, whichever is greater.
 

Lou Garu

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Correction:

Section 3.d:

d) make the learning of a second-language compulsory for at least one hundred hours per year for six years for pupils between the ages of eight and fifteen, or for as much time as it is required in public schools, whichever is greater.

Use the "suzuki method " in teaching (optional)???????
 

Machjo

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Use the "suzuki method " in teaching (optional)???????

Suzuki method - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No one method works every time. At the end of the day, it's best to let the teachers decide. I could see an application of the propaedeutic method (http://www.springboard2languages.org/documents/springboard_rationale.pdf), though that method alone only works in conjunction with other methods. As for which methods to combine it with, again, it depends on so many factors that it would be best to let the teachers decide that.
 

Lou Garu

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I will go do some reading, Muchjo, so as to minimize the " put ones feet in ones mouth" moments.
congratulations, btw , I have not been this engaged in a long time.....)ffuuunnnnn(
 

Machjo

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John Tory ran on all school funding and he lost.

And...?

Who's proposing all-school funding here? What I'm proposing is 0 school funding, and going to a voucher system instead, with schools wishing to participate in the voucher programme having to meet certain criteria. That's a far cry from all school funding.
 

gerryh

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Machjo's voucher system and language proposals:

 

Liberalman

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And...?

Who's proposing all-school funding here? What I'm proposing is 0 school funding, and going to a voucher system instead, with schools wishing to participate in the voucher programme having to meet certain criteria. That's a far cry from all school funding.

So then you are proposing discrimination?
 

Lou Garu

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Interesting debate - especially about the potential of a common international language, like Esperanto, which will certainly protect the rights of minority languages.

Your readers may be interested in seeing YouTube - The language challenge -- facing up to reality Professor Piron was a former translator with the United Nations
A glimpse of the global language,Esperanto, can be seen at lernu!: Main Page

Interesting enough that I copied the clip.I myself have had some interest in esperanto
but I find that without constant reinforcement.....the community in Canada of Esperantists is dedicated but relatively small.
Muchjo ( the originator of this post ) will undoubtedly enjoy "speaking" with you.