Mighty Intellect
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October 20th, 2007, 06:40 AM
God bless Justice Robert Smith of the Ontario Superior Court.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/s...6-bda6876df885
God bless Justice Robert Smith of the Ontario Superior Court.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/s...6-bda6876df885
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 4,604 
October 20th, 2007, 08:15 AM
From the office of Michael the Archangel: Heaven and all participants are members of the Union of Celestial Light and any communications with god must go through the Union office.
Failure to submit communications through the Union of Celestial Light will result in no communications with any of our members.
Solidarity Forever!
From the office of Michael the Archangel: Heaven and all participants are members of the Union of Celestial Light and any communications with god must go through the Union office.
Failure to submit communications through the Union of Celestial Light will result in no communications with any of our members.
Solidarity Forever!
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 4,507
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
October 20th, 2007, 10:11 AM
Wolf
Quoting Walter
Da-aa-mn! We agree on something.... God bless Justice Robert Smith of the Ontario Superior Court.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/s...6-bda6876df885
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/s...6-bda6876df885
Wolf
Steven Hawking's Tutor
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Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
November 8th, 2007, 10:51 AM
Unions are why it is cheaper to mine coal and iron ore in Canada, ship it to Japan, make steel, then ship it back to compete with US Steel, Stelco, Dofasco, AlgoSteel. Unionized mentality is why you get a better built Japanese car, fully equipped, for less than the price of your basic Chevy. Unions guarantee incompetent workers stay employed. The only useful purpose for a Union any more is to bite the hand that feeds it as it encourages industry to locate in China....
Woof!
Unions are why it is cheaper to mine coal and iron ore in Canada, ship it to Japan, make steel, then ship it back to compete with US Steel, Stelco, Dofasco, AlgoSteel. Unionized mentality is why you get a better built Japanese car, fully equipped, for less than the price of your basic Chevy. Unions guarantee incompetent workers stay employed. The only useful purpose for a Union any more is to bite the hand that feeds it as it encourages industry to locate in China....
Woof!
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 5,380
Location: Kamloops BC
Location: Kamloops BC
November 8th, 2007, 11:20 AM
Thanks for calling me incompen=tent Wolf and to think i starting to like you .Not all union members are incompetent .I guess you guys are all for rolling back wages to the stone age .
5 bucks an hour for everyone .
The corps just love you guys 
Thanks for calling me incompen=tent Wolf and to think i starting to like you .Not all union members are incompetent .I guess you guys are all for rolling back wages to the stone age .
5 bucks an hour for everyone .The corps just love you guys Steven Hawking's Tutor
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Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
November 8th, 2007, 11:35 AM
Woof!
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Are you one of those guys who don't pull your weight then cry to the shop steward when the boss tells you about it? Are you one of those guys who have a career and never leave the house because accumulated sick benefits are just another way of saying "paid vacation"? Unions have outlived their usefulness. I hear folks complain all the time about taxes. How much do you whine about a parasite who picks your pocket while plotting for yet another way to bleed the corporation dry? No worry about the Union. It will be overseas organizing Chinese workers long after your UIC benefits have expired.
Unions guarantee incompetent workers stay employed.
Woof!
A modern nomad
Posts: 1,118
Location: Berlin, Germany
Location: Berlin, Germany
November 8th, 2007, 11:39 AM
Specifically, lone wolf, unions here and a vacuum of association in places like China make it cheaper for a company to hire an individual and manufacture a product outside of Canada. You can just as easily blame the union vacuum in China as the union presence in Canada, because were collective agreements truly global agreements for all workers in all factories of a given corporation there would be no motive to leave, merely an increase in transportation costs if they did.
Employers have a naturally stronger bargaining position than individual employees and unions seek to right that inequality. Some nations limit the freedom of association in such a way that people are unable to collectively bargain, in that case the employers exert their stronger bargaining position to subjugate many employees to less than fair conditions. Suggesting that corporations are doing reasonable things in moving their factories is equivalent to suggesting that the working conditions in those factories are fair.
Blaming unions is a colloquial sport these days, seemingly more often based on poorly cited anecdotes and flashy sayings then actual economic or social arguments.
Specifically, lone wolf, unions here and a vacuum of association in places like China make it cheaper for a company to hire an individual and manufacture a product outside of Canada. You can just as easily blame the union vacuum in China as the union presence in Canada, because were collective agreements truly global agreements for all workers in all factories of a given corporation there would be no motive to leave, merely an increase in transportation costs if they did.
Employers have a naturally stronger bargaining position than individual employees and unions seek to right that inequality. Some nations limit the freedom of association in such a way that people are unable to collectively bargain, in that case the employers exert their stronger bargaining position to subjugate many employees to less than fair conditions. Suggesting that corporations are doing reasonable things in moving their factories is equivalent to suggesting that the working conditions in those factories are fair.
Blaming unions is a colloquial sport these days, seemingly more often based on poorly cited anecdotes and flashy sayings then actual economic or social arguments.
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 5,380
Location: Kamloops BC
Location: Kamloops BC
November 8th, 2007, 11:46 AM
So now i'm a parasite tooWhat exactly have i ever done to you ?First off i'm a shop steward second none of our guys do anything like the crap you just posted .I don't know what unions are like from your neck of the woods but i don't see much of that stuff going on in the plants i work in here in BC.I don't know what to tell ya Wolf but i don't see that stuff happening it might of in the past 
I've been in almost evey pulp mill and refinery in this province .I quit the industy 15 yearsd ago and have been back for 4 and the wages haven't exactly gone up so i don't know what to tell you
So now i'm a parasite too
What exactly have i ever done to you ?First off i'm a shop steward second none of our guys do anything like the crap you just posted .I don't know what unions are like from your neck of the woods but i don't see much of that stuff going on in the plants i work in here in BC.I don't know what to tell ya Wolf but i don't see that stuff happening it might of in the past I've been in almost evey pulp mill and refinery in this province .I quit the industy 15 yearsd ago and have been back for 4 and the wages haven't exactly gone up so i don't know what to tell you
Steven Hawking's Tutor
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Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
November 8th, 2007, 11:51 AM
Tell it to the papermill folks in the Soo, Sturgeon Falls, Espanola, Kapuskasing who are without work because the Union absolutely refused to allow wage concessions so the industry could survive.
Woof!
Tell it to the papermill folks in the Soo, Sturgeon Falls, Espanola, Kapuskasing who are without work because the Union absolutely refused to allow wage concessions so the industry could survive.
Woof!
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 5,380
Location: Kamloops BC
Location: Kamloops BC
November 8th, 2007, 12:07 PM
Like i said wolf i have know idea what unions are up to back east .Out here its been nothing but concessions for quite sometime .I got no problem with that i like working .What i don't understand is why the union membership would be led down that path .Were those people that stupid to not see the writing was on the wall as far as their jobs were concerned ?We just went through negotiations with the company and we all knew in advance that if we asked for to much we'd have killed the goose that laid the golden egg .We worked with the company cause we realize the stronger the company the more employment for us 
As for other unions if the membership is to stupid to realize the companys struggling they deserve what they get Sounds like just dumb ass folk to me remember its what the membership decide not the union reps
Like i said wolf i have know idea what unions are up to back east .Out here its been nothing but concessions for quite sometime .I got no problem with that i like working .What i don't understand is why the union membership would be led down that path .Were those people that stupid to not see the writing was on the wall as far as their jobs were concerned ?
We just went through negotiations with the company and we all knew in advance that if we asked for to much we'd have killed the goose that laid the golden egg .We worked with the company cause we realize the stronger the company the more employment for us As for other unions if the membership is to stupid to realize the companys struggling they deserve what they get Sounds like just dumb ass folk to me remember its what the membership decide not the union reps Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 5,380
Location: Kamloops BC
Location: Kamloops BC
November 8th, 2007, 12:18 PM
Just got an emergency call out this parasites got to run .Gottta keep the photo quality paper a coming
But i'm interested in what you all have to say .i'll log back in when i can Uhhm wolf no sick time allowed in our union as a matter of fact were on call 365 days a year 24/7 .Have a good day all chat latter
Just got an emergency call out this parasites got to run .Gottta keep the photo quality paper a coming
But i'm interested in what you all have to say .i'll log back in when i can Uhhm wolf no sick time allowed in our union as a matter of fact were on call 365 days a year 24/7 .Have a good day all chat latter
Durgan
Posts: 248
Location: Brantford, ON
Location: Brantford, ON
November 8th, 2007, 02:41 PM
The more likely reason is reduced ( Corporate) taxes, and possible less scrutriny of discharged polluting products.
A typical example: Computer parts are not labour intensive, they are produced by high tech machines with little input from an operator. Yet almost every computer part is manufaactured off-shore. The conglomerte owner must be getting the large profit from tax breaks. Childrens toys are probably another example.
This does not exclude the fact that Unions certainly make manufacturing difficult in many cases for various reasona, and cost is just one issue.
Durgan.
Quoting lone wolf
Labour costs, be it unionized or not, is used as a smoke-screen in an attempt to disguise the real reason, as to why so many manufacturing plants move to China and other off-shore areas.
Unions are why it is cheaper to mine coal and iron ore in Canada, ship it to Japan, make steel, then ship it back to compete with US Steel, Stelco, Dofasco, AlgoSteel. Unionized mentality is why you get a better built Japanese car, fully equipped, for less than the price of your basic Chevy. Unions guarantee incompetent workers stay employed. The only useful purpose for a Union any more is to bite the hand that feeds it as it encourages industry to locate in China....
Woof!
Woof!
The more likely reason is reduced ( Corporate) taxes, and possible less scrutriny of discharged polluting products.
A typical example: Computer parts are not labour intensive, they are produced by high tech machines with little input from an operator. Yet almost every computer part is manufaactured off-shore. The conglomerte owner must be getting the large profit from tax breaks. Childrens toys are probably another example.
This does not exclude the fact that Unions certainly make manufacturing difficult in many cases for various reasona, and cost is just one issue.
Durgan.
