Pretty fair and refreshing editorial from the ol' Toronto Sun:
http://www.torontosun.com/Comment/Commentary/2007/10/04/4548334.html
http://www.torontosun.com/Comment/Commentary/2007/10/04/4548334.html
Hampton's telling the truth
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Yet CTV news claimed he went into a meltdown when asked about religious schools funding. I'd have lost it too ... and he did an excellent job with the candour. Can Ontario handle a Premier who says it like it REALLY is?
HOWIE!
Wolf
HOWIE!
Wolf
Bob Rae has faded into the distant past, and I'm prepared to give the NDP another chance.
They knew not what they had inherited (just MO, all you rightys, try and control it), and got blindsided badly.
Still, "Rae Days" instead of a pink slip, weren't such a bad idea in the long run.
Anywhoo, she's a no go for the NDP this time I'm afraid; times just ain't tough enough, and the Gov-speaks have the illiterates convinced they're commies..........too bad.
Maybe IF and AFTER Tory and "Steve" get a majority, and personal taxes go up further, and corporate taxes go way down (a la Harris), and we lose health care completely, and more jobs dribble out of the country, and homelessness and hunger become more prevalent every day, we might just give the NDP a shot.
Till then, we suck it up.
Preachin to the choir here I is........:lol:
Nuggler. {"socialist, commie pinko, dirt-bag, tin-foil hat guy, defiler of young women.....and whatever"}
They knew not what they had inherited (just MO, all you rightys, try and control it), and got blindsided badly.
Still, "Rae Days" instead of a pink slip, weren't such a bad idea in the long run.
Anywhoo, she's a no go for the NDP this time I'm afraid; times just ain't tough enough, and the Gov-speaks have the illiterates convinced they're commies..........too bad.
Maybe IF and AFTER Tory and "Steve" get a majority, and personal taxes go up further, and corporate taxes go way down (a la Harris), and we lose health care completely, and more jobs dribble out of the country, and homelessness and hunger become more prevalent every day, we might just give the NDP a shot.
Till then, we suck it up.
Preachin to the choir here I is........:lol:
Nuggler. {"socialist, commie pinko, dirt-bag, tin-foil hat guy, defiler of young women.....and whatever"}
Nuggler, you should make "{"socialist, commie pinko, dirt-bag, tin-foil hat guy, defiler of young women.....and whatever"}" your new signature. 
If I went by Northern Ontario Oracles, it will be Lib, NDP then Tory. Northern folks have long memories and Harris was from North Bay....
Wolf
Wolf
Thank you Missile: I have no idea of the meaning. Unforgiven hung it on me. Has a certain "je ne sais pas", n'est pas??.......a certain ambience........with a touch of serendipity thrown in........eh?
Probably means "raper of pigs" in Polish8O
I would, Durka, but I kind of like "Confused us say". Although half the time it doesn't show.
There ya go.
Nuggler the defiler.
How the hell do I get rid of one of the double posts????
(Ask and ye shall receive ... double post removed for ya. Cos):evil4:
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hamptons campaign was an unsuccessful one for a minority government, probably liberal. Hes a less than stellar candidate and his platform has more mention of "dalton mcguinty" than of himself. Thus, its more of a protest platform more so than anything.
I think that Hampton is a hypocrite when he airs ads talking about McGuinty's pay raise. The fact of the matter is, none of them are different when it comes to hiking their salary. The NDP's voted against it, but said hey ok we can still take the extra dollars! Some New Democrats even abstained because they wanted to vote for it but did not want to go against the party. While it is true that some of them donated the extra money to charity, alot of the ndp mpps kept the extra dollars, even after voting against it. Not only was it hypocritical, but they win either way. They get the money AND the credibility!
I know alot of NDP's are discontent with where Hampton is taking the New Democrats. He's leading them into an era of protest, not offering a clear progressive alternative. Look at his ideas for example. Lower tuition, lower taxes, higher minimum wage. He brings these great products, but fails to look at the price tag or flash the price tag to Ontarians. His Tuition idea will cost the government a couple hundred million dollars. When they asked where hes going to get the money, he says that he thinks that he will get it from grants??! In terms of lower taxes, he wants to just take money from big businesses, but how long will that maintain any balance, how much money will he take from businesseses??? At what cost? Finally, his extreme idea to raise minimum wage all at once. Of course, you can count on the star to support such an idea, being anti-poverty, but the idea is not as economically responsible or dramatic as it seems. The main demographic that would be affected by such an immediate increase would be youth, many of whom already have shelter, and the basic neccesities to live. Many of the people on or below the poverty line either a. dont work at all or b. work part time mostly, thus, it would barely help them, if at all.
He has not looked at the ramifications of such an immediate raise, which can cause less workforce participation from disgruntled businesses, actually causing an adverse effect of higher unemployment rates.
I remember reading the star article about Hampton saying how his memiors should be titled from power to protest, unlike rival rae's which was titled from protest to power. It is funny, yet true. Has he or does he plan on moving from protest to power or will he keep the party from power to protest?
Sorry, Hampton is not a realistic candidate for Premier, just opposition party. The NDP's need another leader to take them in another direction with a more economically responsible platform and agenda.
I think that Hampton is a hypocrite when he airs ads talking about McGuinty's pay raise. The fact of the matter is, none of them are different when it comes to hiking their salary. The NDP's voted against it, but said hey ok we can still take the extra dollars! Some New Democrats even abstained because they wanted to vote for it but did not want to go against the party. While it is true that some of them donated the extra money to charity, alot of the ndp mpps kept the extra dollars, even after voting against it. Not only was it hypocritical, but they win either way. They get the money AND the credibility!
I know alot of NDP's are discontent with where Hampton is taking the New Democrats. He's leading them into an era of protest, not offering a clear progressive alternative. Look at his ideas for example. Lower tuition, lower taxes, higher minimum wage. He brings these great products, but fails to look at the price tag or flash the price tag to Ontarians. His Tuition idea will cost the government a couple hundred million dollars. When they asked where hes going to get the money, he says that he thinks that he will get it from grants??! In terms of lower taxes, he wants to just take money from big businesses, but how long will that maintain any balance, how much money will he take from businesseses??? At what cost? Finally, his extreme idea to raise minimum wage all at once. Of course, you can count on the star to support such an idea, being anti-poverty, but the idea is not as economically responsible or dramatic as it seems. The main demographic that would be affected by such an immediate increase would be youth, many of whom already have shelter, and the basic neccesities to live. Many of the people on or below the poverty line either a. dont work at all or b. work part time mostly, thus, it would barely help them, if at all.
He has not looked at the ramifications of such an immediate raise, which can cause less workforce participation from disgruntled businesses, actually causing an adverse effect of higher unemployment rates.
I remember reading the star article about Hampton saying how his memiors should be titled from power to protest, unlike rival rae's which was titled from protest to power. It is funny, yet true. Has he or does he plan on moving from protest to power or will he keep the party from power to protest?
Sorry, Hampton is not a realistic candidate for Premier, just opposition party. The NDP's need another leader to take them in another direction with a more economically responsible platform and agenda.
I still want to find out how he used almost $120,000 in one year on travel expenses in 1998. Living about a 2 hour drive from Howie's house, it seems pretty unfathomable.
Howie is a good guy (I always seem to run into him at the Emo fair, and he's always chatty despite me not agreeing with his politics), but the man has a temper and comes off as a whiny baby far too often to be taken seriously; it sadly takes away from the few good ideas he offers. It's the same problem the guy who is running NDP in our riding has: articulate and intelligent, but also whiny and without original thought.
Howie is a good guy (I always seem to run into him at the Emo fair, and he's always chatty despite me not agreeing with his politics), but the man has a temper and comes off as a whiny baby far too often to be taken seriously; it sadly takes away from the few good ideas he offers. It's the same problem the guy who is running NDP in our riding has: articulate and intelligent, but also whiny and without original thought.
The second he started to push the $10 an hour minimum wage, any semblance of credibility he had with anyone making more than minimum wage was flushed away.
I'm surprised so many people in Southern Ontario are pro-Howie. Howie Hampton would sell you out for the interests of the North the second he could pass legislature. Cheaper power, transfer of offices, special grants to promote industry, disproportionate representation, disproportionate funding, take your pick. It would all be great to us up here, but I digress.
Hows about you getting the unions to back off on their own membership wage and concession demands so costs didn't climb beyond the reach of non-union folks, minimum wage earners - and ESPECIALLY those of us who have to get by on ODSP?
So what's wrong with the North getting a little of its due? South has done quite well off us. ONR would never have been built had there been no gold to inflate Toronto's worth. Lakefront land would be reasonable if Toronto people didn't feel the need to pee in our pools. Howie has a temper? There's a problem with that? I can think of a few Toronto asses I'd like to boot too.
Wolf
Uh, isn't the NDP the preferred party of almost every major union in the province? Up until ol' Dalty started weaving his wand, Buzz Hargrove and the CAW was at the proverbial teat of the NDP.
And for the record, I'm in the north, probably more north than you are way down there in Sudbury (or as it is called up here 'the north of the south'), for 21 of my 25 years of existence. Nothing wrong with us getting our due, even if we only represent less than 10% of the seats at Queen's park and about 6% of the population, I just have a feeling the other 94% might not be so enamoured with that proposition. 6% of the popujlation and 85% of the landmass. Incredible. And people in Toronto bitch that it's too cramped in Ontario...