Grossly Underrated
Posts: 6,281 
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
August 31st, 2007, 10:12 AM
Wolf
Quoting Walter
Weren't waterworks one of those things Harris downloaded on the municipality? Seems to me I recall Harris spindoctors paying off potential witnesses around Walkerton. People got sick and died because the Koebel brothers, who were in charge of the water supply, were drunk.
Wolf
House Member
Posts: 4,083
Location: Twinksland
Location: Twinksland
August 31st, 2007, 10:14 AM
Wouldn't voting for ANY politician be a form of insanity? If the diagnosis is: Committing the same act over and over again expecting different results.
Has there ever been a politician who's done what he said he'd do BEFORE being voted in?
Wouldn't voting for ANY politician be a form of insanity? If the diagnosis is: Committing the same act over and over again expecting different results.
Has there ever been a politician who's done what he said he'd do BEFORE being voted in?
Grossly Underrated
Posts: 6,281
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
August 31st, 2007, 10:17 AM
Wolf
Quoting Twila
Thing is: If you don't vote, they take your silence as acceptance. AND if you don't vote, you have no right to bi*ch. No vote is apathy. A spoiled ballot is still a statement. Mickey Mouse for Prez!
Wouldn't voting for ANY politician be a form of insanity? If the diagnosis is: Committing the same act over and over again expecting different results.
Has there ever been a politician who's done what he said he'd do BEFORE being voted in?
Has there ever been a politician who's done what he said he'd do BEFORE being voted in?
Wolf
sick and twisted
Posts: 2,537
Location: Backwater, Ontario.
Location: Backwater, Ontario.
August 31st, 2007, 10:18 AM
Good one Twila.
I like the promises of 1435 million dollars to be spent on .........(you name it).........over the next 20 years.........knowing full well they won't be there to do it.
God we love being treated like defectives.
Quoting Twila
Wouldn't voting for ANY politician be a form of insanity? If the diagnosis is: Committing the same act over and over again expecting different results.
Has there ever been a politician who's done what he said he'd do BEFORE being voted in?
Has there ever been a politician who's done what he said he'd do BEFORE being voted in?
Good one Twila.
I like the promises of 1435 million dollars to be spent on .........(you name it).........over the next 20 years.........knowing full well they won't be there to do it.
God we love being treated like defectives.
Grossly Underrated
Posts: 6,281
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
August 31st, 2007, 10:19 AM
Wolf
Quoting Twila
Yeah ... Harris promised a War on Poverty. We just didn't know it would be a take-no-prisoners type battle...
Wouldn't voting for ANY politician be a form of insanity? If the diagnosis is: Committing the same act over and over again expecting different results.
Has there ever been a politician who's done what he said he'd do BEFORE being voted in?
Has there ever been a politician who's done what he said he'd do BEFORE being voted in?
Wolf
Moderator
Posts: 798
August 31st, 2007, 10:33 AM
Quoting lone wolf
Let's not forget the manufactured education crisis which was masterminded by.... a high school dropout
Yeah ... Harris promised a War on Poverty. We just didn't know it would be a take-no-prisoners type battle...
Wolf
Wolf
Electoral Member
Posts: 71
Location: Hither and yon
Location: Hither and yon
September 15th, 2007, 01:35 PM
Some of the logic here confuses me.
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That was the end result for sure. What ENABLED them to work like that...................????
Lack of control????????............nah.
Lack of funds???????????.........nah.
Lack of the Harrisites givin a sh!t..........nah.
Compasionate conservatism at its' best.
You can do better than that Walter.
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So your saying that because a conservative gov was in power that caused two workers to become useless, drunken incompetents?
Boy, now THAT is holding your Gov accountable.......or what?
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And now we have the wunderkind..........steve........in a minority situation thank whasshisname.........Who has given us........dead soldiers!!! Nice one.
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S0....like I heard........... that the troops in Afghanistan were fufilling a UN mandated comittment.
and like........the Liberal Party of Canada both negotiated that comittment AND sent the troops there.
Errrrrrrrrrr......... but its the Conservative fault.
Boy, now that is holding the Gov of the day accountable.........or what?
Remember folks if you dont vote dont bitch.
If you dont fill out a ballot the for all intents and purposes you do not exist.....to the politicians and their flunkies.
Spoil a ballot, vote for a whacko, vote from the heart or vote from your brain, whatever just get the hell out there and vote.
Some of the logic here confuses me.
.................................................. .................................................. ........
That was the end result for sure. What ENABLED them to work like that...................????
Lack of control????????............nah.
Lack of funds???????????.........nah.
Lack of the Harrisites givin a sh!t..........nah.
Compasionate conservatism at its' best.
You can do better than that Walter.
.................................................. .................................................. ..........
So your saying that because a conservative gov was in power that caused two workers to become useless, drunken incompetents?
Boy, now THAT is holding your Gov accountable.......or what?
.................................................. .................................................. ...........
And now we have the wunderkind..........steve........in a minority situation thank whasshisname.........Who has given us........dead soldiers!!! Nice one.
.................................................. ..............................
S0....like I heard........... that the troops in Afghanistan were fufilling a UN mandated comittment.
and like........the Liberal Party of Canada both negotiated that comittment AND sent the troops there.
Errrrrrrrrrr......... but its the Conservative fault.
Boy, now that is holding the Gov of the day accountable.........or what?
Remember folks if you dont vote dont bitch.
If you dont fill out a ballot the for all intents and purposes you do not exist.....to the politicians and their flunkies.
Spoil a ballot, vote for a whacko, vote from the heart or vote from your brain, whatever just get the hell out there and vote.
Council Member
Posts: 1,817
September 15th, 2007, 07:59 PM
Quoting Trex
They were hired by the town of Walkerton and were solely responsible to the town council. Nepotism at its finest.
Some of the logic here confuses me.
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That was the end result for sure. What ENABLED them to work like that...................????
.................................................. .................................................. ........
That was the end result for sure. What ENABLED them to work like that...................????
Grossly Underrated
Posts: 6,281
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
September 15th, 2007, 08:28 PM
Wolf
Quoting Walter
What you don't seem to want to accept is Harris downloaded the weight of Ontario services - highways, waterworks, social, education - onto municipalities who could ill afford them yet expected all to be maintained at a level equal to that which the Province required. What could municipalities do but cut corners wherever possible? You cannot run a government like a business. It is not a profit making situation when there are people who live beneath that bottom line. They were hired by the town of Walkerton and were solely responsible to the town council. Nepotism at its finest.
Wolf
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September 15th, 2007, 08:37 PM
Hapton is a non starter...he hasn't said or done anything of consequence since he was made ...what ever he is suppossed to be...Wall flower comes to mind....
and the con man that worked for mulroney..in fact was mulroney everything mulroney did besides make himself rich off the bloated board of directors he got humself on after selling us to the american corporations....
yeay john tory ..a man for the people....barf!!!!
do you realize when Brian quit..he imediatyl was put on 8 board of directors in the USA at a 250 grand a pop gig per....and he only had to show for 3 meetings a year......
Now you tell me how the hell did he land those gigs?
John tory...the guy that made it possible through spin.....
Quoting Locutus
Well it's official you know sqaut about ontario's politics....
Have Ontario residents smartened-up yet?
Are they still easily pacified by the lying fiberals?
Is the McGuilty fan club as dumb as ever?
Voters, please share your thoughts.
Are they still easily pacified by the lying fiberals?
Is the McGuilty fan club as dumb as ever?
Voters, please share your thoughts.
Hapton is a non starter...he hasn't said or done anything of consequence since he was made ...what ever he is suppossed to be...Wall flower comes to mind....
and the con man that worked for mulroney..in fact was mulroney everything mulroney did besides make himself rich off the bloated board of directors he got humself on after selling us to the american corporations....
yeay john tory ..a man for the people....barf!!!!
do you realize when Brian quit..he imediatyl was put on 8 board of directors in the USA at a 250 grand a pop gig per....and he only had to show for 3 meetings a year......
Now you tell me how the hell did he land those gigs?
John tory...the guy that made it possible through spin.....
Newbie
Posts: 47
September 15th, 2007, 10:00 PM
It is like that bureaucrat who decided that he will make law by announcing that veiled Muslims do not have to show their face in order to vote. He was asked by a Committee Chair if he was ordered to change that announcement and to tell veiled Muslims that they have to show their faces in order to verify identity, would he, and his answer was "No, not at this time." My opinion is that he should have been fired on the spot. It is bad enough that we have a bunch of appointed Judges overstepping their mandates and making law, now we have appointed bureaucrats who want to do the same thing. He should be told, that he has two choices, change his announcement or be fired forthwith. For God's sake, this man is an employee of the taxpayers and the people who are supposed to be in charge are the people we elect to office because they are the only people we can hold accountable, and if we are going to have their employees refuse an order, then it is definitely time to change how government is run. I can just imagine telling my boss that I refuse to obey an order. I can guarantee that I will immediately be looking for another job, with no recourse for compensation, because refusing to do what the boss tells you he/she wants done is insubordination and is subject to dismissal without notice.
Quoting Niflmir
" If the people really believe that the people they elect to office are the ones making the decisions they are living in fantasyland." That is a quote from Paul Helyer, former Dep. PM under Pierre Trudeau. He said this because it is the bureaucrats who are really running the show, and they are neither elected nor accountable to the people they are supposed to serve. What we really need when a government changes hands is for the bureaucrats (Deputy Ministers) to be either fired or shuffled around so that the incoming government can actually implement their agendas without the bureaucrats simply continuing on as if the direction hasn't been changed.
This sentence emphasises the shortcomings of our democracy: our ability to hold politicians accountable is only reactionary. Mike Harris is probably laughing the way to the bank every day at the moment. What does he care if he screwed the Conservatives over for a few elections, he got what he wanted.
We really need a better way to hold our politicians accountable for their legislation. If there wasn't a party that wanted to do just this, I wouldn't vote, out of sheer disgust at the near pointlessness of it.
We really need a better way to hold our politicians accountable for their legislation. If there wasn't a party that wanted to do just this, I wouldn't vote, out of sheer disgust at the near pointlessness of it.
It is like that bureaucrat who decided that he will make law by announcing that veiled Muslims do not have to show their face in order to vote. He was asked by a Committee Chair if he was ordered to change that announcement and to tell veiled Muslims that they have to show their faces in order to verify identity, would he, and his answer was "No, not at this time." My opinion is that he should have been fired on the spot. It is bad enough that we have a bunch of appointed Judges overstepping their mandates and making law, now we have appointed bureaucrats who want to do the same thing. He should be told, that he has two choices, change his announcement or be fired forthwith. For God's sake, this man is an employee of the taxpayers and the people who are supposed to be in charge are the people we elect to office because they are the only people we can hold accountable, and if we are going to have their employees refuse an order, then it is definitely time to change how government is run. I can just imagine telling my boss that I refuse to obey an order. I can guarantee that I will immediately be looking for another job, with no recourse for compensation, because refusing to do what the boss tells you he/she wants done is insubordination and is subject to dismissal without notice.
September 16th, 2007, 03:32 AM
Quoting lone wolf
Or, the guy that tells the fewest lies. Promises don't impress me but I hate liars. Mcguilty pulled a huge one with health tax. I'd give Tory or even the Green bike dude a go before letting liberals rob us again.
It's easiest to believe the guy who makes the littlest promises....
Wolf
Wolf
Council Member
Posts: 1,817
September 16th, 2007, 06:35 AM
Quoting lone wolf
And the private lab told the two drunks that they had a problem with the water and the drunks did nothing about it. Stupid private lab.
What you don't seem to want to accept is Harris downloaded the weight of Ontario services - highways, waterworks, social, education - onto municipalities who could ill afford them yet expected all to be maintained at a level equal to that which the Province required. What could municipalities do but cut corners wherever possible? You cannot run a government like a business. It is not a profit making situation when there are people who live beneath that bottom line.
Wolf
Wolf
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Posts: 6,281
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
September 16th, 2007, 08:07 AM
Private lab.... Where was the Provincial Ministry of Health who oversees the local Health Boards who used to take care of municipal water supplies as well as the well? Yeah ... stupid two-by-four couldn't support the weight of the whole building....
Wolf
Quoting Walter
Yeah me I wire da house an I put all the light on one fuse, eh, an all a plug on a odder an I put da toast on an da light she go dim. My toaster fuk? And the private lab told the two drunks that they had a problem with the water and the drunks did nothing about it. Stupid private lab.
Private lab.... Where was the Provincial Ministry of Health who oversees the local Health Boards who used to take care of municipal water supplies as well as the well? Yeah ... stupid two-by-four couldn't support the weight of the whole building....
Wolf
Grossly Underrated
Posts: 6,281
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
September 16th, 2007, 08:18 AM
No like Howie?
Wolf
Quoting Locutus
Or, the guy that tells the fewest lies. Promises don't impress me but I hate liars. Mcguilty pulled a huge one with health tax. I'd give Tory or even the Green bike dude a go before letting liberals rob us again.
No like Howie?Wolf
