Senate Member
Posts: 5,234 
Location: Saint John, N.B.
Location: Saint John, N.B.
January 29th, 2006, 12:47 PM
It might be a surprize to an Albertan, but Newfoundland has the highest per capita ownership of firearms in Canada.
They used to be right at the bottom of the list when it came to violent crime rates, but that was a few years ago.
I don't know about today.
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I hail from a small Newfoundland outport, and I know VERY few people who do not own several high-powered hunting rifles and shotguns. The majority of Outports are like this. Guns are everywhere, and pretty much everyone know how to use them. There are almost no gun crimes though, except for the few robberies committed in St. John's (a City) to gain money with which to buy Oxycontin or Crystal Meth ( drugs)
So wouldn't this lead one to assume that guns themselves are not the be-all and end-all of the problem?
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So a British .303 should be illegal, simply because it is powerful and used to shoot things? What if those things are Moose or Caribou? Still illegal.
I have confidence that there was something more to it than aesthetics.
Even if not, there is no purpose in having more "powerful" weapons generally available — they are superfluous, and present no practical use to society, other than to shoot things — hardly a right under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, insofar as I find myself concerned.
Even if not, there is no purpose in having more "powerful" weapons generally available — they are superfluous, and present no practical use to society, other than to shoot things — hardly a right under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, insofar as I find myself concerned.
I hail from a small Newfoundland outport, and I know VERY few people who do not own several high-powered hunting rifles and shotguns. The majority of Outports are like this. Guns are everywhere, and pretty much everyone know how to use them. There are almost no gun crimes though, except for the few robberies committed in St. John's (a City) to gain money with which to buy Oxycontin or Crystal Meth ( drugs)
So wouldn't this lead one to assume that guns themselves are not the be-all and end-all of the problem?
It might be a surprize to an Albertan, but Newfoundland has the highest per capita ownership of firearms in Canada.
They used to be right at the bottom of the list when it came to violent crime rates, but that was a few years ago.
I don't know about today.
Clever Clogs
Posts: 730
January 30th, 2006, 06:30 AM
Beyond a fist fight at a corner bar, that's about the extent of violence anyone ever sees. Which is the way it should be.
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They are still the lowest by far.
It might be a surprize to an Albertan, but Newfoundland has the highest per capita ownership of firearms in Canada.
They used to be right at the bottom of the list when it came to violent crime rates, but that was a few years ago.
I don't know about today.
They used to be right at the bottom of the list when it came to violent crime rates, but that was a few years ago.
I don't know about today.
Beyond a fist fight at a corner bar, that's about the extent of violence anyone ever sees. Which is the way it should be.
Newbie
Posts: 35
Location: Within Myself
Location: Within Myself
February 2nd, 2006, 12:25 AM
I guess like everything else, this is a matter or perspective. Those from outside the city view guns as tools, those within the city view guns as a weapon. That is probably why most in the city are so heart felt against guns(looping in all guns, because from their view they are weapons, and a long weapon is the same as a short weapon). While people in the more rural areas viewing guns as a tool probably see a very defferent tool when they look at a rifle, Vs looking at a pistol or atuomatic.
One needs it for hunting for food(lets hope that is all it is, if not, well - Karma she is a ......), while one see's it as the instrament of death.
I guess like everything else, this is a matter or perspective. Those from outside the city view guns as tools, those within the city view guns as a weapon. That is probably why most in the city are so heart felt against guns(looping in all guns, because from their view they are weapons, and a long weapon is the same as a short weapon). While people in the more rural areas viewing guns as a tool probably see a very defferent tool when they look at a rifle, Vs looking at a pistol or atuomatic.
One needs it for hunting for food(lets hope that is all it is, if not, well - Karma she is a ......), while one see's it as the instrament of death.
Newbie
Posts: 15
February 21st, 2006, 02:35 AM
Politicians always blame guns for crime and murder rates when they go up. Guns don't kill people, People kill People. When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. Prosecute the criminal not the law abiding citizen.
Hey! Politician, penalize the criminal when a gun is used in the comission of a crime. Don't penalize the law abiding citizens by confiscating their guns when they are used for personal protection.
Politicians always blame guns for crime and murder rates when they go up. Guns don't kill people, People kill People. When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. Prosecute the criminal not the law abiding citizen.
Hey! Politician, penalize the criminal when a gun is used in the comission of a crime. Don't penalize the law abiding citizens by confiscating their guns when they are used for personal protection.
Genius
Posts: 953
Location: Calgary, AB
Location: Calgary, AB
February 21st, 2006, 02:41 AM
I don't want to hear any more crap from the Toronto centric media.....there have been all of what, 7 murders in Toronto this year? hell Edmonton is probably ahead right now. Ignoring all the drama from the great crime wave of 2005.......one must look at the 10 year stats and compare murders in actual numbers....its was much worse in the early 90s
I don't want to hear any more crap from the Toronto centric media.....there have been all of what, 7 murders in Toronto this year? hell Edmonton is probably ahead right now. Ignoring all the drama from the great crime wave of 2005.......one must look at the 10 year stats and compare murders in actual numbers....its was much worse in the early 90s
Clever Clogs
Posts: 730
February 21st, 2006, 06:48 AM
I think the problem is not with the number but with the type of crime.
The numbers or deaths are meaningless. Medical advancements for gun shots and life saving alone would skew results. People not being as good a shoting or the quality and caliber of guns would change the number of people killed.
Why do they not report the number of shots fired?
But generally the problem is the immoral dissregard for their fellow man in all aspects of society, which is most notable in public service, and it generally reflected in all social problems being markedly worse as people personal ethics and morals continue to degrade and putrify further.
Guns are not the problem ethical and moral corruption of all kinds generally accross the board is the problem.
I think the problem is not with the number but with the type of crime.
The numbers or deaths are meaningless. Medical advancements for gun shots and life saving alone would skew results. People not being as good a shoting or the quality and caliber of guns would change the number of people killed.
Why do they not report the number of shots fired?
But generally the problem is the immoral dissregard for their fellow man in all aspects of society, which is most notable in public service, and it generally reflected in all social problems being markedly worse as people personal ethics and morals continue to degrade and putrify further.
Guns are not the problem ethical and moral corruption of all kinds generally accross the board is the problem.
Newbie
Posts: 1
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Location: Toronto, Ontario
June 28th, 2006, 06:02 PM
What really gets me is the feeling of utter defenselessness a person is put in when a gun is pulled. Your life is dependent upon the actions of a person who has made themselves more 'powerful'.
The idea behind a gun, a way of promoting superiority through fear, disgusts me. I know it is idealistic and naive to wish guns away, but I I just can't help it... so I try and think of ways to change it.
I think the most beneficial solution is to look at gun crime and try to answer the questions how, why, and who does it? Through understanding the underlying causes to gun crime, broad labels and actions can start being more effetively targetted, thus seeing results. More importantly however, society needs to use this knowledge of underlying causes to change them, eliminating the need for gun use. Societies image of guns, as an all powerful tool used to gain a sense of power, as well as our fear of them, were created through social perspectives and circumstances in which the need to feel powerful arose! Change these emoitions and you have youselves a long term, EFFECTIVE solution.
I have yet to do any research on this myself, but I guess I had better start!
What really gets me is the feeling of utter defenselessness a person is put in when a gun is pulled. Your life is dependent upon the actions of a person who has made themselves more 'powerful'.
The idea behind a gun, a way of promoting superiority through fear, disgusts me. I know it is idealistic and naive to wish guns away, but I I just can't help it... so I try and think of ways to change it.
I think the most beneficial solution is to look at gun crime and try to answer the questions how, why, and who does it? Through understanding the underlying causes to gun crime, broad labels and actions can start being more effetively targetted, thus seeing results. More importantly however, society needs to use this knowledge of underlying causes to change them, eliminating the need for gun use. Societies image of guns, as an all powerful tool used to gain a sense of power, as well as our fear of them, were created through social perspectives and circumstances in which the need to feel powerful arose! Change these emoitions and you have youselves a long term, EFFECTIVE solution.
I have yet to do any research on this myself, but I guess I had better start!
Knows No Bounds
Posts: 3,154
June 28th, 2006, 07:14 PM
Toronto's gun problem is predominantly Jamaican in origin. Red flags have been up since the late '70's but politically correct individuals have fought to take them down. The murders in Toronto won't stop until folks like the mayor and police chief get onside. The two are so busy kissing patootie it makes one want to hurl. The police themselves receive little co-operation from the affected communities. Even though most such individuals are no more than second generation- and should be eager to participate in protecting their communities - many have simply never bought into the Canadian ideal of a civil society. And its attendant responsibilities.
I knew Toronto before it ever was associated with omnipresent guns and drugs. It was gold.
Toronto's gun problem is predominantly Jamaican in origin. Red flags have been up since the late '70's but politically correct individuals have fought to take them down. The murders in Toronto won't stop until folks like the mayor and police chief get onside. The two are so busy kissing patootie it makes one want to hurl. The police themselves receive little co-operation from the affected communities. Even though most such individuals are no more than second generation- and should be eager to participate in protecting their communities - many have simply never bought into the Canadian ideal of a civil society. And its attendant responsibilities.
I knew Toronto before it ever was associated with omnipresent guns and drugs. It was gold.
Newbie
Posts: 1
July 10th, 2006, 05:17 PM
This week Baltimore's murder count should pass 135. That's for a city one SIXTH the size of Toronto (so Baltimore should have 20 murders or Toronto should have 810 murders - only six months into the year, depending on how you want to look at it. I'm a Canadian, grad student here, for almost 8 years now. I used to live in Toronto.
I think the point is well made by some... too often a "drama case" has to be made to bring attention to gun crime. Here it has become so happen stance people don't think about it. There are actually, I kid you not, signs on the city streets that say "Enough is enough" with the outline of a dead person on them (really - freaky....). These aren't some kind of public protest signs - these are the kind the Dept of Public Works makes and posts - like stop signs. Things are so bad here that people just stop caring at all.
It is true that Toronto is suffering growing pains - and it's also true that too many other towns, and people of different colors are neglected (and I'm sure the race issue is going to show up in Toronto as if it's "black crime" not gun crime) but the gun control aspect **does** seem to be a difference at least - no control here and let me tell you, here, College Park (the University of Maryland is there) you'll hear **gunfire** about once a week as people simply shoot off their guns at one another. Keep that image in mind when thinking about the future you want for Toronto and any city or town in Canada
This week Baltimore's murder count should pass 135. That's for a city one SIXTH the size of Toronto (so Baltimore should have 20 murders or Toronto should have 810 murders - only six months into the year, depending on how you want to look at it. I'm a Canadian, grad student here, for almost 8 years now. I used to live in Toronto.
I think the point is well made by some... too often a "drama case" has to be made to bring attention to gun crime. Here it has become so happen stance people don't think about it. There are actually, I kid you not, signs on the city streets that say "Enough is enough" with the outline of a dead person on them (really - freaky....). These aren't some kind of public protest signs - these are the kind the Dept of Public Works makes and posts - like stop signs. Things are so bad here that people just stop caring at all.
It is true that Toronto is suffering growing pains - and it's also true that too many other towns, and people of different colors are neglected (and I'm sure the race issue is going to show up in Toronto as if it's "black crime" not gun crime) but the gun control aspect **does** seem to be a difference at least - no control here and let me tell you, here, College Park (the University of Maryland is there) you'll hear **gunfire** about once a week as people simply shoot off their guns at one another. Keep that image in mind when thinking about the future you want for Toronto and any city or town in Canada
Knows No Bounds
Posts: 3,154
July 10th, 2006, 07:34 PM
I live within two hours of Toronto and have watched it grow and change from the 60's on. The indiscriminate shooting that occurs in certain sections of the city now and the ruthless gangs that dominate this lawlessness are new to Toronto in the last 25 years. The problem has been growing for years and the politically correct nutbars who have intimidated Canadians from speaking out are finally being overwhelmed by the shots outside their city's doors. It didn't have to be this way. The race issue is big in Toronto and it's well known Jamaican connections are behind the continuing melee. Canadians in Ontario want answers and they want them especially from the people who made this mess possible.
I live within two hours of Toronto and have watched it grow and change from the 60's on. The indiscriminate shooting that occurs in certain sections of the city now and the ruthless gangs that dominate this lawlessness are new to Toronto in the last 25 years. The problem has been growing for years and the politically correct nutbars who have intimidated Canadians from speaking out are finally being overwhelmed by the shots outside their city's doors. It didn't have to be this way. The race issue is big in Toronto and it's well known Jamaican connections are behind the continuing melee. Canadians in Ontario want answers and they want them especially from the people who made this mess possible.
