Clever Clogs
Posts: 730 
December 6th, 2005, 10:58 PM
In Ontario we have a French Language Public School system paid out of the public school systems taxes. Actually two separate systems, one for French Catholics and one a non-catholic French yet but both fully publicly funded. Ontario has less than 200,000 francophone residents.
These are not a bilingual school system or “French Immersion” type system for people to learn French as a second language, but a completely French People Only Public School Board System populated by Quebec Immigrants who came to seek work in Ontario because they lack job opportunities in their own province.
This was a vote/referedum buy if there ever was one. And Spending $300 Million a year to serve a Private French Education to 200,000 francophones with ties to Quebec is a bit blatant.
Furthermore, there are not enough people being served by the system, so that durring election each of its so called “elected” representatives are acclaimed to their posts because no one runs for their public offices.
In Ontario we have a French Language Public School system paid out of the public school systems taxes. Actually two separate systems, one for French Catholics and one a non-catholic French yet but both fully publicly funded. Ontario has less than 200,000 francophone residents.
These are not a bilingual school system or “French Immersion” type system for people to learn French as a second language, but a completely French People Only Public School Board System populated by Quebec Immigrants who came to seek work in Ontario because they lack job opportunities in their own province.
This was a vote/referedum buy if there ever was one. And Spending $300 Million a year to serve a Private French Education to 200,000 francophones with ties to Quebec is a bit blatant.
Furthermore, there are not enough people being served by the system, so that durring election each of its so called “elected” representatives are acclaimed to their posts because no one runs for their public offices.
Yo
Posts: 3,537
Location: Counting Flowers on the Wall
Location: Counting Flowers on the Wall
December 6th, 2005, 11:05 PM
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These are not a bilingual school system or “French Immersion” type system for people to learn French as a second language, but a completely French People Only Public School Board System populated by Quebec Immigrants who came to seek work in Ontario because they lack job opportunities in their own province.
That's strange, I could have sent my daughter to the french public school here, and we're pretty much Anglais for the most part. There are lots of english people who send their children to both the public and catholic french schools. I'm not really sure what you're talking about, do you have a link?
These are not a bilingual school system or “French Immersion” type system for people to learn French as a second language, but a completely French People Only Public School Board System populated by Quebec Immigrants who came to seek work in Ontario because they lack job opportunities in their own province.
Clever Clogs
Posts: 730
December 7th, 2005, 08:43 PM
Sure you can if you speak french. As parents you need to speak and read French since everything they do is in French only, not just educational things.
If you don't speak French, it would be like sending your children to any other foreign language school and you would not understand anything going on there, since they do nothing in Anglais at all, except spend Anglais taxpayer's money to get themselves a distinct private education free of charge.
http://www.csdcso.on.ca
Sure you can if you speak french. As parents you need to speak and read French since everything they do is in French only, not just educational things.
If you don't speak French, it would be like sending your children to any other foreign language school and you would not understand anything going on there, since they do nothing in Anglais at all, except spend Anglais taxpayer's money to get themselves a distinct private education free of charge.
http://www.csdcso.on.ca
Yo
Posts: 3,537
Location: Counting Flowers on the Wall
Location: Counting Flowers on the Wall
December 7th, 2005, 08:48 PM
I can say that I could have sent my daughter to the french public school had I wanted to.
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I looked at the site, and I don't not speak enoug french to find the info you are claiming is there.
Sure you can if you speak french. As parents you need to speak and read French since everything they do is in French only, not just educational things.
If you don't speak French, it would be like sending your children to any other foreign language school and you would not understand anything going on there, since they do nothing in Anglais at all, except spend Anglais taxpayer's money to get themselves a distinct private education free of charge.
http://www.csdcso.on.ca/
If you don't speak French, it would be like sending your children to any other foreign language school and you would not understand anything going on there, since they do nothing in Anglais at all, except spend Anglais taxpayer's money to get themselves a distinct private education free of charge.
http://www.csdcso.on.ca/
I can say that I could have sent my daughter to the french public school had I wanted to.
Clever Clogs
Posts: 730
December 7th, 2005, 08:56 PM
Sure you could. You could also send them to a publicly funded german school board if we had one. But would you send your child to a school and schoold board that existed only functioning in a language that is foreign to you?
You can't fiind anything on their site because nothing is in english. The school board does not want non-francophones sending their children there. They make it impossible for non-fracophones to send their children there.
It is their whole strategy to create a separate school board for francophone families to make a private school for themselves rather than serve any one equally.
It their goal was making people bilingual they would have their website entirely in english and teach children in a French Immiersion setting. But this is not the case. They have created a separate private school system exclusively for francophone families, but by law anyone can go, so they make it hard for non-francophone families to send their children there.
Sure you could. You could also send them to a publicly funded german school board if we had one. But would you send your child to a school and schoold board that existed only functioning in a language that is foreign to you?
You can't fiind anything on their site because nothing is in english. The school board does not want non-francophones sending their children there. They make it impossible for non-fracophones to send their children there.
It is their whole strategy to create a separate school board for francophone families to make a private school for themselves rather than serve any one equally.
It their goal was making people bilingual they would have their website entirely in english and teach children in a French Immiersion setting. But this is not the case. They have created a separate private school system exclusively for francophone families, but by law anyone can go, so they make it hard for non-francophone families to send their children there.
Yo
Posts: 3,537
Location: Counting Flowers on the Wall
Location: Counting Flowers on the Wall
December 7th, 2005, 09:00 PM
Why don't you write to your local MP or something? Picket a french school near your for all I care.
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In this city, knowing french is a must. So yes, I would if I thought it was necessary. I had reasons for not sending her there, none of which had anything to do with language.
Sure you could. You could also send them to a publicly funded german school board if we had one. But would you send your child to a school and schoold board that existed only functioning in a language that is foreign to you?
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No, like I said, they don't make it hard.
You can't fiind anything on their site because nothing is in english. The school board does not want non-francophones sending their children there. They make it impossible for non-fracophones to send their children there.
It is their whole strategy to create a separate school board for francophone families to make a private school for themselves rather than serve any one equally.
It their goal was making people bilingual they would have their website entirely in english and teach children in a French Immiersion setting. But this is not the case. They have created a separate private school system exclusively for francophone families, but by law anyone can go, so they make it hard for non-francophone families to send their children there.
It is their whole strategy to create a separate school board for francophone families to make a private school for themselves rather than serve any one equally.
It their goal was making people bilingual they would have their website entirely in english and teach children in a French Immiersion setting. But this is not the case. They have created a separate private school system exclusively for francophone families, but by law anyone can go, so they make it hard for non-francophone families to send their children there.
Why don't you write to your local MP or something? Picket a french school near your for all I care.
Clever Clogs
Posts: 730
December 7th, 2005, 09:48 PM
So why do you bother posting on a policial board if you don't care?
They don't make it easy for non-francophones to send their children there. You would need a translator. They don't want to contaminate their pure race with other races.
Typical nazi racism at work right here in Ontario at the taxpayer's expense. People who don't care or people just don't know...
I have never used or understood french and I never considered it a must in Ontario.
So why do you bother posting on a policial board if you don't care?
They don't make it easy for non-francophones to send their children there. You would need a translator. They don't want to contaminate their pure race with other races.
Typical nazi racism at work right here in Ontario at the taxpayer's expense. People who don't care or people just don't know...
I have never used or understood french and I never considered it a must in Ontario.
Yo
Posts: 3,537
Location: Counting Flowers on the Wall
Location: Counting Flowers on the Wall
December 8th, 2005, 08:31 AM
And again, like I said, you're wrong. It's not hard to send your kids to these schools and you don't need a translator if your children are starting in JK or SK, because the programs are designed to not only teach language but also the typical JK/SK cariculum. Sending an older child to french school if they don't know the language is silly, even more so if the child does not have french speaking parents. Although I don't know if the school can refuse remidal assistance.
It might also be worth mentioning that the jk teacher at the french school near me said it takes about 3 months for children to have a strong grasp of the language. Other parents with children at the school have confirmed this as well.
I guess you just don't like french people.
Try www.stormfront.com. You may get some sympathy there.
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Wrong again. In Ottawa, french is a must for most industries. Look at the want ads posted anywhere here. Knowing a second language is very beneficial to many industries. Aside from Spanish, French is probably the second most desirable second language.
So why do you bother posting on a policial board if you don't care?
They don't make it easy for non-francophones to send their children there. You would need a translator. They don't want to contaminate their pure race with other races.
Typical nazi racism at work right here in Ontario at the taxpayer's expense. People who don't care or people just don't know...
I have never used or understood french and I never considered it a must in Ontario.
They don't make it easy for non-francophones to send their children there. You would need a translator. They don't want to contaminate their pure race with other races.
Typical nazi racism at work right here in Ontario at the taxpayer's expense. People who don't care or people just don't know...
I have never used or understood french and I never considered it a must in Ontario.
And again, like I said, you're wrong. It's not hard to send your kids to these schools and you don't need a translator if your children are starting in JK or SK, because the programs are designed to not only teach language but also the typical JK/SK cariculum. Sending an older child to french school if they don't know the language is silly, even more so if the child does not have french speaking parents. Although I don't know if the school can refuse remidal assistance.
It might also be worth mentioning that the jk teacher at the french school near me said it takes about 3 months for children to have a strong grasp of the language. Other parents with children at the school have confirmed this as well.
I guess you just don't like french people.
Try www.stormfront.com. You may get some sympathy there.
Clever Clogs
Posts: 730
December 8th, 2005, 04:06 PM
Well I think we are not on the same page.
If the parents don;t speak french they will have trouble sending their kids to a school board that does not communicate with the outside world in English. I have no problem with french or french people. I do have a problem with unfair public spending and organizations that take advantage of public money to get extra benefits not given to everyone equally.
In this case I am attacking the francophone community of Ontario for creating and illegitimate separate school just for themselves which few people will use unless their whole family already speaks french in order to interact with their own separate system.
They exclude non-francophones by practice and their goal is not bilungualism, but is to preserve french culture for themselves by keeping out othe races.
I see it as a racism problem they are practicing.
Well I think we are not on the same page.
If the parents don;t speak french they will have trouble sending their kids to a school board that does not communicate with the outside world in English. I have no problem with french or french people. I do have a problem with unfair public spending and organizations that take advantage of public money to get extra benefits not given to everyone equally.
In this case I am attacking the francophone community of Ontario for creating and illegitimate separate school just for themselves which few people will use unless their whole family already speaks french in order to interact with their own separate system.
They exclude non-francophones by practice and their goal is not bilungualism, but is to preserve french culture for themselves by keeping out othe races.
I see it as a racism problem they are practicing.
Clever Clogs
Posts: 651
December 8th, 2005, 04:15 PM
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Answer - French is not a foreign language. It is a Canadian language. If you can't speak French, you have limited yourself. That's too bad, but it is your choice. Stop seeking to limit the choices of others. It is wrong and very uncanadian.
If you don't speak French, it would be like sending your children to any other foreign language school http://www.csdcso.on.ca
Super Genius
Posts: 1,065
Location: Montréal, Québec
Location: Montréal, Québec
December 8th, 2005, 04:18 PM
http://www.emsb.qc.ca/
The Anglophone in Québec get the same treatment, their own public school system the hole way to University. Public system, paid by everyone in Québec. The francophones living in Ontario arnt all from Québec, alot are part of Ontario's Francophone community, people that have been living in that land from since Ontario was still part of Québec.
Miss treat them as you want, and for what ever reasons you want. But Anglophones in Québec will always be treated as equals. And will always have free healthcare and free Education.
http://www.emsb.qc.ca/
The Anglophone in Québec get the same treatment, their own public school system the hole way to University. Public system, paid by everyone in Québec. The francophones living in Ontario arnt all from Québec, alot are part of Ontario's Francophone community, people that have been living in that land from since Ontario was still part of Québec.
Miss treat them as you want, and for what ever reasons you want. But Anglophones in Québec will always be treated as equals. And will always have free healthcare and free Education.
Council Member
Posts: 2,010 
December 8th, 2005, 04:29 PM
In NB we have the English system, which includes the immersion system, and the French system. In order to get into the French system, you have to have French ancestry.
And the point is what? Don't know. The local French school is excellent. I kinda wish my kids were going there in a way. But there ya go. I'm more concerned that I maximize my kids' education; I don't spend my time whining about what other people have.
Whine whine, snivel snivel. Shut your mouth, open your hands. Stop complaining about what you don't have, and start using what you do have. Or is that too much work?
In NB we have the English system, which includes the immersion system, and the French system. In order to get into the French system, you have to have French ancestry.
And the point is what? Don't know. The local French school is excellent. I kinda wish my kids were going there in a way. But there ya go. I'm more concerned that I maximize my kids' education; I don't spend my time whining about what other people have.
Whine whine, snivel snivel. Shut your mouth, open your hands. Stop complaining about what you don't have, and start using what you do have. Or is that too much work?
Clever Clogs
Posts: 730
December 8th, 2005, 06:54 PM
The problem is that some people are more equal than others, and what one group has is evaluated unequally.
There are more people that are bilungual in Ontario with English and any other language but french.
Its pretty hard to justify a separate $300 Million per year school board serving less than 200,000 citizens of french culture trying to avoid being mixed with non-francophone cultures here.
The problem is that some people are more equal than others, and what one group has is evaluated unequally.
There are more people that are bilungual in Ontario with English and any other language but french.
Its pretty hard to justify a separate $300 Million per year school board serving less than 200,000 citizens of french culture trying to avoid being mixed with non-francophone cultures here.
Clever Clogs
Posts: 730
December 8th, 2005, 06:58 PM
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French is a foreign language to just about everyone outside of Quebec. Outside if Quebec almost any other foreign language is spoken more than French everywhere else in Canada.
Answer - French is not a foreign language. It is a Canadian language. If you can't speak French, you have limited yourself. That's too bad, but it is your choice. Stop seeking to limit the choices of others. It is wrong and very uncanadian.
Council Member
Posts: 2,010
December 8th, 2005, 07:03 PM
Stop whining about what you don't have, and start working with what you do have.
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And your point is what? Canada is a bilingual country. In NB 30% of the population is french. Just because people in Ontario are too stupid and/or lazy to learn french, why do you have to decide it's a foreign language? It's not. It's one of the two founding languages of modern Canada.
The problem is that some people are more equal than others, and what one group has is evaluated unequally.
There are more people that are bilungual in Ontario with English and any other language but french.
There are more people that are bilungual in Ontario with English and any other language but french.
Stop whining about what you don't have, and start working with what you do have.
Newbie
Posts: 15
December 8th, 2005, 07:23 PM
It ain't no different here. We got them bilingual schools, at least that's what they call em', but don't let the name fool you. These publicly funded schools (federal ‘Title VII’ funds) are there to provide linguistic options, however in all reality, they don't offer no other option other than Instrucción in Spanish. Many classes are given in Spanish only.
It ain't no different here. We got them bilingual schools, at least that's what they call em', but don't let the name fool you. These publicly funded schools (federal ‘Title VII’ funds) are there to provide linguistic options, however in all reality, they don't offer no other option other than Instrucción in Spanish. Many classes are given in Spanish only.
Clever Clogs
Posts: 730
December 8th, 2005, 07:36 PM
I am not talking about teaching French as a second language. I am talking about French Canadians having a separate school Board to preserve their culture in Ontario by only catering to French speaking families.
This is not french immersion or alternative eduction in the French language to advance bilingualism. It's a private school system in Ontario (a province where on 200K out of 8 million speak French. It there to keep non-french canadians out, so their children don't mix with the rest of Ontario's population.
It works on the same pretences that has created the aparthite systems in Quebec to avoid mixing races there. They just created a toe hold for Quebecers to come to ontario for work and not get contaminated culturally by the Ontario mixed race culture of multi-culturalism.
I am not talking about teaching French as a second language. I am talking about French Canadians having a separate school Board to preserve their culture in Ontario by only catering to French speaking families.
This is not french immersion or alternative eduction in the French language to advance bilingualism. It's a private school system in Ontario (a province where on 200K out of 8 million speak French. It there to keep non-french canadians out, so their children don't mix with the rest of Ontario's population.
It works on the same pretences that has created the aparthite systems in Quebec to avoid mixing races there. They just created a toe hold for Quebecers to come to ontario for work and not get contaminated culturally by the Ontario mixed race culture of multi-culturalism.
Council Member
Posts: 2,010
December 8th, 2005, 08:17 PM
Separate boards, separate schools, separate districts, separate buses, a different calendar, yeah, I know. That's what NB has. A french system, and an english system. No big deal.
You know what? It doesn't matter. You know what makes the biggest difference as to how a student performs? The parents. So get to work. How much homework did you help with so far? I just heard an "early education specialist" for the Ontario gov't interviewed on the radio; he said, "In Kindergarten, we don't talk about teaching, because no academic skills are taught in Kindergarten".
Well guess what, Mr Expert: In NB, it's not Christmas yet, and in kindergarten they have learned to read and are doing simple math. Maybe you don't call that an academic skill, or maybe Ontario is just behind us, as usual.
Separate boards, separate schools, separate districts, separate buses, a different calendar, yeah, I know. That's what NB has. A french system, and an english system. No big deal.
You know what? It doesn't matter. You know what makes the biggest difference as to how a student performs? The parents. So get to work. How much homework did you help with so far? I just heard an "early education specialist" for the Ontario gov't interviewed on the radio; he said, "In Kindergarten, we don't talk about teaching, because no academic skills are taught in Kindergarten".
Well guess what, Mr Expert: In NB, it's not Christmas yet, and in kindergarten they have learned to read and are doing simple math. Maybe you don't call that an academic skill, or maybe Ontario is just behind us, as usual.
