Super Genius
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Location: Toronto
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November 3rd, 2005, 08:15 PM
http://www.energy.gov.on.ca/index.cf...es&news_id=114
http://www.energy.gov.on.ca/index.cf...es&news_id=114
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Good for McGuinty. He finally gets one piece of the energy puzzle right.
The proposed legislation provides the framework for the government’s commitment to install 800,000 smart meters in Ontario homes and businesses by 2007, and to have them installed in all homes and businesses by 2010. Smart metering, combined with a pricing structure that reflects the cost of power production at certain times of day and year, allows consumers to make informed decisions about their electricity use. This will save money for Ontario consumers and reduce the strain on the power system at peak periods.
Super Genius
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Location: Toronto
Location: Toronto
November 4th, 2005, 12:24 PM
Yeah Harris mismanaged the energy file like every other politician. The only good thing he did was move to privatise the Ontario Hydro monopoly and open the market to private generation. Too bad Eves didn't have the balls to stay the course. That flip flopping is going to cost us for a decade to come.
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That puts his miles ahead of Harris. What did Harris do? Gave kick backs to his business buddies on the nuke plants and privatised electricity.
Yeah Harris mismanaged the energy file like every other politician. The only good thing he did was move to privatise the Ontario Hydro monopoly and open the market to private generation. Too bad Eves didn't have the balls to stay the course. That flip flopping is going to cost us for a decade to come.
Super Genius
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Location: Winnipeg
Location: Winnipeg
November 4th, 2005, 12:33 PM
Funny, because the provinces with government-owned electrical facilities have lower prices than those that privatised and the governments that made the mistake of bringing in private schemes saw prices rise so dramatically that they had to help consumers.
Privatisation was a mistake.
Funny, because the provinces with government-owned electrical facilities have lower prices than those that privatised and the governments that made the mistake of bringing in private schemes saw prices rise so dramatically that they had to help consumers.
Privatisation was a mistake.
Super Genius
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Location: Toronto
Location: Toronto
November 4th, 2005, 12:44 PM
Because government is so much more efficient that the private sector, right?
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Heaven forbid consumers actually have to pay the true cost of power generation. I guess its much better to have the taxpayer subsidise electricity consumption... or have industrial/institutional consumers subsidise the residential consumer?
Funny, because the provinces with government-owned electrical facilities have lower prices than those that privatised and the governments that made the mistake of bringing in private schemes saw prices rise so dramatically that they had to help consumers.
Privatisation was a mistake.
Privatisation was a mistake.
Because government is so much more efficient that the private sector, right?
Super Genius
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Location: Winnipeg
Location: Winnipeg
November 4th, 2005, 12:51 PM
Government is more efficient than the private sector when it comes to large projects, MMMikey. They don't have to turn huge and ever-increasing profits fo their shareholders.
Government electricity is also more reliable. Remember the big blackout in Toronto and all over the Eastern US? Remember what the findings of the investigations into that were? Private power companies had shirked their responsibility in order to maximise profits.
Government is more efficient than the private sector when it comes to large projects, MMMikey. They don't have to turn huge and ever-increasing profits fo their shareholders.
Government electricity is also more reliable. Remember the big blackout in Toronto and all over the Eastern US? Remember what the findings of the investigations into that were? Private power companies had shirked their responsibility in order to maximise profits.
Super Genius
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Location: Toronto
Location: Toronto
November 4th, 2005, 02:08 PM
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government clearly cannot be trusted to manage our energy supply. Look at Ontario - we have a huge lack in generating capacity and have to import very expensive power from elsewhere. If the market was truly open to private interests, there would not be such a generating shortage - they would have stepped in long ago.
Government is more efficient than the private sector when it comes to large projects, MMMikey. They don't have to turn huge and ever-increasing profits fo their shareholders.
Government electricity is also more reliable. Remember the big blackout in Toronto and all over the Eastern US? Remember what the findings of the investigations into that were? Private power companies had shirked their responsibility in order to maximise profits.
Government electricity is also more reliable. Remember the big blackout in Toronto and all over the Eastern US? Remember what the findings of the investigations into that were? Private power companies had shirked their responsibility in order to maximise profits.
Running out of ranks
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November 8th, 2005, 11:57 AM
The government is efficient at running things like Ontario Hydro into the ground. That’s why we took it away from the "efficient" ones.
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Not to mention the 30 billion dollar debt the so called government left us. Quoting
government clearly cannot be trusted to manage our energy supply. Look at Ontario - we have a huge lack in generating capacity and have to import very expensive power from elsewhere. If the market was truly open to private interests, there would not be such a generating shortage - they would have stepped in long ago.
Government is more efficient than the private sector when it comes to large projects, MMMikey. They don't have to turn huge and ever-increasing profits fo their shareholders.
Government electricity is also more reliable. Remember the big blackout in Toronto and all over the Eastern US? Remember what the findings of the investigations into that were? Private power companies had shirked their responsibility in order to maximise profits.
Government electricity is also more reliable. Remember the big blackout in Toronto and all over the Eastern US? Remember what the findings of the investigations into that were? Private power companies had shirked their responsibility in order to maximise profits.
The government is efficient at running things like Ontario Hydro into the ground. That’s why we took it away from the "efficient" ones.
Super Genius
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Location: Winnipeg
Location: Winnipeg
November 8th, 2005, 12:57 PM
Your big rate hike was the result of privatisation, Jay. Same as Alberta's. Same as BC's. Same as happened to our local phone rates here when Filmon privatised MTS. We ran the bastard out of office before he could shut down Manitoba Hydro.
Your big rate hike was the result of privatisation, Jay. Same as Alberta's. Same as BC's. Same as happened to our local phone rates here when Filmon privatised MTS. We ran the bastard out of office before he could shut down Manitoba Hydro.
Running out of ranks
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November 8th, 2005, 01:04 PM
Privatization sure. We aren’t going to be subsidizing power as much any more. Rates are going up.
The rates are also going to go up because they converted some coal plants to natural gas.
People have to become responsible for the own usage at some point in time. Allowing the free market to work will introduce new technologies into the system. They will find there way into people homes. Under the old system, Ontario Hydro, was slowing down progress.
Privatization sure. We aren’t going to be subsidizing power as much any more. Rates are going up.
The rates are also going to go up because they converted some coal plants to natural gas.
People have to become responsible for the own usage at some point in time. Allowing the free market to work will introduce new technologies into the system. They will find there way into people homes. Under the old system, Ontario Hydro, was slowing down progress.
Super Genius
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Location: Toronto
Location: Toronto
December 1st, 2005, 08:48 PM
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A new report concludes that Ontario's approach to managing electricity supplies is lop-sided and, as a result, both expensive and wasteful.
The study by the Pembina Institute calculates the Liberal government has committed $10.5-billion for new generation to ensure the power keeps flowing.
At the same time, it has earmarked just $163-million to cut demand for electricity.
However, the study concludes that intelligent conservation could in fact slash projected consumption by more than 40 per cent, obviating the need for expensive new generation.
The study by the Pembina Institute calculates the Liberal government has committed $10.5-billion for new generation to ensure the power keeps flowing.
At the same time, it has earmarked just $163-million to cut demand for electricity.
However, the study concludes that intelligent conservation could in fact slash projected consumption by more than 40 per cent, obviating the need for expensive new generation.
Super Genius
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Location: Toronto
Location: Toronto
December 2nd, 2005, 08:41 PM
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Its coming to Ontario - look at the first post in this thread. Eventually it'll spread all over - it is good technology & will help conserve energy not to mention provide tremendous incentive for decentralized green power generation.
what ever happened to reverse metering? this was the concept to allow private people to generate electricity and feed excess to the grid and get credit for it
Clever Clogs
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December 4th, 2005, 08:31 AM
I think that Nuclear reaction electrical generation is the proper way to go. We would have unlimited cheap energy of all kinds for running everything and eliminate the dependance on non-renewable fuels.
The fight against Nuclear Energy production was advanced by fuel companies. Now that the fuel is running out and the environment contaminated by the burning of fosil fuel, its time to start putting up as many nuclear reactors as we can and shift energy consumption to cheap clean electrical power produced by Nuclear Reactors. They are safer and cleaner than any other know method of producing energy.
I think that Nuclear reaction electrical generation is the proper way to go. We would have unlimited cheap energy of all kinds for running everything and eliminate the dependance on non-renewable fuels.
The fight against Nuclear Energy production was advanced by fuel companies. Now that the fuel is running out and the environment contaminated by the burning of fosil fuel, its time to start putting up as many nuclear reactors as we can and shift energy consumption to cheap clean electrical power produced by Nuclear Reactors. They are safer and cleaner than any other know method of producing energy.
