Durgan
Posts: 248 
Location: Brantford, ON
Location: Brantford, ON
October 21st, 2005, 04:10 AM
The Chief is a puppet, that dances to the Union's tune. All he has is authority without power. Sort of like a Governor General. Sad state of affairs.
Police in Toronto are defying the Chief of Police by doing as they please under the instructions of the Union. Sitting in their cars and not patrolling. The union babbles that the public is still protected,since emergency calls are answered. What about property protection?
The Chief and Police Service Board are helpless and have to go along with the union dictates.
In the military the current police tactics would be called mutiny. A few privates would be shot after a trial, of course, and the mutiny would be over.
The Chief of Police and the Police Serice Board serve at the mercy of the Police Union. Police are forbidden to strike. So much for the law.
Durgan.
The Chief is a puppet, that dances to the Union's tune. All he has is authority without power. Sort of like a Governor General. Sad state of affairs.
Police in Toronto are defying the Chief of Police by doing as they please under the instructions of the Union. Sitting in their cars and not patrolling. The union babbles that the public is still protected,since emergency calls are answered. What about property protection?
The Chief and Police Service Board are helpless and have to go along with the union dictates.
In the military the current police tactics would be called mutiny. A few privates would be shot after a trial, of course, and the mutiny would be over.
The Chief of Police and the Police Serice Board serve at the mercy of the Police Union. Police are forbidden to strike. So much for the law.
Durgan.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,458
Location: Toronto
Location: Toronto
October 21st, 2005, 05:37 PM
These guys are something, eh? But its just the latest in a long list of aggravations - they have complete contempt for the idea of civilian oversight, and try to use fear and intimidation to further their own interests.
Toronto has a very low crime rate, and it has been falling steadily for years. But yet the police union is always spouting off after every murder about how this is the wild west and we need more officers on the street.
Corruption seems to be rampant. Officers in the drug squad beating up drug dealers and stealing their money.... stealing money meant for informants.... shakedowns of nightclubs in the entertainment district.... Jama Jama.... Officer under investigation for dropping charges in exchange for Leaf Tickets...
I know any big organization will have some corruption but it seems especially prevalent with TO cops, and it is fostered by the police union. Remember True Blue: the police association basically solicited money from the public for their union, then gave out a prominent sticker for your drivers side window. Hmmm... do you think these people might get a warning next traffic stop? They used to sell Police Association Badges to 'supporters' to get favourable treatment if you are pulled over or even arrested. Bahh!!
Dishonest bargaining! They are paid for a five day shift, including five one-hour lunch breaks. Most officers work a compressed work week in four days - they don't feel they have to make up that extra lunch hour a week. This adds up to a free weeks pay every year. Retention bonuses were introduced when the force was bleeding officers to other districts... now that these are not required, of course they still demand the $$. City wants a condition on their drug benefits: that where generic versions are available they must be used instead of the brand name... Big stink! They demand as a matter of gospel that they should be the highest paid in the country - WHY? Two things should factor into pay: cost of living and workload. Plenty of other cities have higher cost of living, plenty have higher workload (crimes per officer).
These guys are something, eh? But its just the latest in a long list of aggravations - they have complete contempt for the idea of civilian oversight, and try to use fear and intimidation to further their own interests.
Toronto has a very low crime rate, and it has been falling steadily for years. But yet the police union is always spouting off after every murder about how this is the wild west and we need more officers on the street.
Corruption seems to be rampant. Officers in the drug squad beating up drug dealers and stealing their money.... stealing money meant for informants.... shakedowns of nightclubs in the entertainment district.... Jama Jama.... Officer under investigation for dropping charges in exchange for Leaf Tickets...
I know any big organization will have some corruption but it seems especially prevalent with TO cops, and it is fostered by the police union. Remember True Blue: the police association basically solicited money from the public for their union, then gave out a prominent sticker for your drivers side window. Hmmm... do you think these people might get a warning next traffic stop? They used to sell Police Association Badges to 'supporters' to get favourable treatment if you are pulled over or even arrested. Bahh!!
Dishonest bargaining! They are paid for a five day shift, including five one-hour lunch breaks. Most officers work a compressed work week in four days - they don't feel they have to make up that extra lunch hour a week. This adds up to a free weeks pay every year. Retention bonuses were introduced when the force was bleeding officers to other districts... now that these are not required, of course they still demand the $$. City wants a condition on their drug benefits: that where generic versions are available they must be used instead of the brand name... Big stink! They demand as a matter of gospel that they should be the highest paid in the country - WHY? Two things should factor into pay: cost of living and workload. Plenty of other cities have higher cost of living, plenty have higher workload (crimes per officer).
Super Genius
Posts: 1,320
Location: Winnipeg
Location: Winnipeg
October 22nd, 2005, 08:38 AM
Ther police union has the right to job action. Just like the BC teachers, the people fighting for their rights in Brookes, or any other group of employees. They are not the military, so comparing them to the military is silly.
Ther police union has the right to job action. Just like the BC teachers, the people fighting for their rights in Brookes, or any other group of employees. They are not the military, so comparing them to the military is silly.
Mighty Intellect
Posts: 1,640
Location: Oklahoma, USA
Location: Oklahoma, USA
October 22nd, 2005, 09:35 AM
I personally prefer the Ronald Reagan approach for anyone engaging in non-work tactics in regards to their unions (either striking or slow work tactics). However, here we are dealing with police officers who are an essential part of our workforce. We can't risk them even contemplating going on strike, otherwise we would have criminals literaly coming out of the woodworks and cities being controlled by criminal gangs. The military would need to take over, thus the possibility of Martial law.
That is one scenario, I don't want to envision.
I personally prefer the Ronald Reagan approach for anyone engaging in non-work tactics in regards to their unions (either striking or slow work tactics). However, here we are dealing with police officers who are an essential part of our workforce. We can't risk them even contemplating going on strike, otherwise we would have criminals literaly coming out of the woodworks and cities being controlled by criminal gangs. The military would need to take over, thus the possibility of Martial law.
That is one scenario, I don't want to envision.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,320
Location: Winnipeg
Location: Winnipeg
October 22nd, 2005, 09:47 AM
I lived in Regina during a police labour action like this. It had little to no noticable effect on the crime rate. It cost the city a lot in lost income from traffic violations, but crime stayed the same.
Union busting like Reagan did (you really like cheering for miscreant war criminals who run up huge debts, don't you, James?) hurts workers and the industries they work in. It hurts the economy. In the end, it only helps the rich.
I lived in Regina during a police labour action like this. It had little to no noticable effect on the crime rate. It cost the city a lot in lost income from traffic violations, but crime stayed the same.
Union busting like Reagan did (you really like cheering for miscreant war criminals who run up huge debts, don't you, James?) hurts workers and the industries they work in. It hurts the economy. In the end, it only helps the rich.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,458
Location: Toronto
Location: Toronto
October 22nd, 2005, 09:54 AM
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So if routine patrols (which is most of the work police do) do not affect the crime rate, why not do away with it completely? We can fire 80% of the police, keep the rest for emergency response only. You can't have it both ways - either routine patrols are necessary for public safety or they're not. The longer this action continues, the more at risk the public is. These guys have to find another means of job action.
I lived in Regina during a police labour action like this. It had little to no noticable effect on the crime rate. It cost the city a lot in lost income from traffic violations, but crime stayed the same.
Union busting like Reagan did (you really like cheering for miscreant war criminals who run up huge debts, don't you, James?) hurts workers and the industries they work in. It hurts the economy. In the end, it only helps the rich.
Union busting like Reagan did (you really like cheering for miscreant war criminals who run up huge debts, don't you, James?) hurts workers and the industries they work in. It hurts the economy. In the end, it only helps the rich.
Mighty Intellect
Posts: 1,640
Location: Oklahoma, USA
Location: Oklahoma, USA
October 22nd, 2005, 10:16 AM
A police strike in Toronto will have similar consequences as it did in Montreal.
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Rev, my dad recalls a citywide police strike in Montreal in 1969. It lasted but a few hours, however as a result there was mass lawbreaking, looting, rioting ...etc. Just a few hours and all this happened. City offcials (and probably even higher levels of goverenemnt) had to eventually call the police back to work at their terms.
I lived in Regina during a police labour action like this. It had little to no noticable effect on the crime rate. It cost the city a lot in lost income from traffic violations, but crime stayed the same.
Union busting like Reagan did (you really like cheering for miscreant war criminals who run up huge debts, don't you, James?) hurts workers and the industries they work in. It hurts the economy. In the end, it only helps the rich.
Union busting like Reagan did (you really like cheering for miscreant war criminals who run up huge debts, don't you, James?) hurts workers and the industries they work in. It hurts the economy. In the end, it only helps the rich.
A police strike in Toronto will have similar consequences as it did in Montreal.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,320
Location: Winnipeg
Location: Winnipeg
October 22nd, 2005, 10:26 AM
You are ignoring the political and social implications of that occuring in 1969, Nero. You are also forgetting that there are a lot of reports of the Montreal strike not being as bad as it was made out to be. There was a lot of political spin on it because it allowed the police to be forced back to work. I don't give a flying **** what your daddy said, BTW.
You are ignoring the political and social implications of that occuring in 1969, Nero. You are also forgetting that there are a lot of reports of the Montreal strike not being as bad as it was made out to be. There was a lot of political spin on it because it allowed the police to be forced back to work. I don't give a flying **** what your daddy said, BTW.
Durgan
Posts: 248
Location: Brantford, ON
Location: Brantford, ON
November 3rd, 2005, 04:41 PM
About 150 police disobeyed the chief of Police's order not to wear unifoms at a demonstration at City Hall 2 Nov 2005. Rosie (Star) wrote a nice article with the bias in favour of the police.
Now we will see a public exposure of who runs the force; the Union or the Chief?
The Chief publically stated that the officers disobeying his order will be disiciplined. I wait with bated breath.
Time will tell.
Durgan.
About 150 police disobeyed the chief of Police's order not to wear unifoms at a demonstration at City Hall 2 Nov 2005. Rosie (Star) wrote a nice article with the bias in favour of the police.
Now we will see a public exposure of who runs the force; the Union or the Chief?
The Chief publically stated that the officers disobeying his order will be disiciplined. I wait with bated breath.
Time will tell.
Durgan.
Durgan
Posts: 248
Location: Brantford, ON
Location: Brantford, ON
November 9th, 2005, 07:37 AM
The Union won. The Police Service Board folded on every point. The Union wrote their own contact. Now they should remove the Chief. The old Praetorian Guard of Rome about 60 A.D. has taken over. They will decide who is Emperor.
The Union is still disobeying orders, and they want the Chief to drop all charges regarding the demostration at City Hall last week.
Now it is time to abolish the Police Services Board. They serve no purpose.
Tax payers of Toronto got stiffened for $60,000,000.00.
Durgan.
The Union won. The Police Service Board folded on every point. The Union wrote their own contact. Now they should remove the Chief. The old Praetorian Guard of Rome about 60 A.D. has taken over. They will decide who is Emperor.
The Union is still disobeying orders, and they want the Chief to drop all charges regarding the demostration at City Hall last week.
Now it is time to abolish the Police Services Board. They serve no purpose.
Tax payers of Toronto got stiffened for $60,000,000.00.
Durgan.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,458
Location: Toronto
Location: Toronto
November 9th, 2005, 08:52 PM
The chief has to enforce the discipline regarding the uniform thing. Otherwise he has no credibility anymore, and everyone will see who is really in charge.[/quote]
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You hit the nail on the head there. What was the point of it all? I have the impression that political pressure came down on the board to settle because of public opinion.
The Union won. The Police Service Board folded on every point. The Union wrote their own contact.
The chief has to enforce the discipline regarding the uniform thing. Otherwise he has no credibility anymore, and everyone will see who is really in charge.[/quote]
Member
Posts: 96
Location: South Ontario, Toronto District
Location: South Ontario, Toronto District
November 28th, 2005, 02:56 PM
Toronto's former "mayor" (Lastman) was in the Caribbean at the time, heard ominous weather reports and declared a state of emergency, didn't bother checking with anyone (we were on our way up to the cottage for a barbecue in a Mazda RX-7 and saw massive military vehicles headed south; quite a rare site around here, a first for me after 42 years of living in south Ontario/Toronto, aside from a couple of years in Vancouver and a month or so here, there and everywhere) and um, Lastman was insane. Probably still is.
He called in the 'national guard' to deal with what was supposed to be, well:
And we pay for the military anyway so who cares? Mel Lastman, the former "mayor" (city counciller of the Toronto Zoo -- due to it having just the irrelevant (due to the millions of commuters, who don't pay one cent that Toronto City Hall gets to keep, the millions of business travelers and tourists and other visitors that Toronto City Hall doesn't get one cent out of; just lots of expenses and "provincial" and "federal" expenses being not only paid for out of municipal property taxes, the one the "Ontario" feds let the single municipality of Toronto keep, with zero reason to pay "provincial" taxes let alone confederate taxes and with the single municipality of Toronto directly funding both the "Ontario" and confederate dipsh**s) resident population of the "municipality" of type city, hence City of Toronto with one city hall to try to represent itself with and the irrelevant resident population out-populates the "provinces" of:
Nova Scotia + New Brunswick + Prince Edward Island + Newfoundland & Labrador + Yukon + Northwest + Nunuvat (how did that thing ever get created? It has the population of a few subway trains in the "municipality" of Toronto).
2001 Census
Municipality of Toronto: 2,481,494
4 "provinces" and all 3 territories: 2,378,508
Just in the irrelevant resident population of the "municipality" of Toronto, which out-populated the "provinces" of Saskatchewan + Manitoba + Prince Edward Island + Yukon + Northwest + Nunavat by 154,905 in 2001 and no big city in North America is growing faster than Toronto other than L.A.
Pictures are worth a thousand words. And it's very relevant to this thread because nothing in these federation is capable of comprehending "Toronto".
Those who have lived in the former six municipalities of the former Metropolitan Toronto, merged into one municipality with one city hall in 1998, for the last 20 years or more, know, have seen, cannot avoid seeing the decline of the now singular municipality of Toronto, not due to Harris but due to the Rae NDP Lunatics breaking a world record with their usual fantasy world, detatched from all reality they get by in suburbs that call themselves "provinces" with handouts from south Ontario but overspent by $63,400 million, an incomprehensible amount of money (go ahead and divide it by 1,000 if you've ever seen a $1,000 bill and try to imagine a stack of 63,400 $1,000 bilsl), in only 5 years in a real province.
And the confederates (the other "feds", the ones on Pluto as opposed to the ones in downtown Toronto on Mars) were stealing $2 billion a year from Ontarians while the Peterson-Rae/Peterson minority/Rae NDP Lunatics with a majority dictatorship were in power.
The year Mike Harris was elected (1995), with over double the accumulated "budget deficit" to pay off than the confederates had -- they didn't resolve the $2 billlion Ontario was getting short-changed of in confederate pittances of tax returns to "Ontario" (per capita as compared to every other province) -- they returned $10 billion less of Ontario's fair share of its own confederate taxes paid out (certainly nowhere near all of them) from Mike Harris' election year of fiscal 1995-96.
$10 billion is what the "fiscal imbalance" Peterson and Rae had been bitching about ("only" $2 billion for them) but in the entire 5 years the Rae NDP Lunatics bitched (with good reason given that they couldn't find the golden geese under tha magial money trees as usual and broke a world record for any subnational government anywhere, anytime "running" Toronto, they discovered that union mobsters don't EMPLOY ANYONE when they "had their man in", made outrageous demands and got LOCKED OUT by the corporations who do employ them -- and the NDP discovered real corporations with big balls, along with the usual around labor union slobs, the mobsters running the unions in Toronto with big mouths but no possible way to create jobs or even have anyone working when every corporation locks them out ... and then the oblivious NDP discovered the REAL employers and "turned their backs on the working man" by trying to deal with the corporations, so all of the unions went on strike -- they are from an era that does not exist here, the NDP isn't even an official party in the Ontarios but for the same reason they ended up with a total fluke/mistake of a majority dictatorship in the Ontarios, by default, the PCs and Liberals weren't worth voting for in the Ontarios and of course it's spread out to the rest of the Canadas -- but we'll kill them, string them up on flagpoles, if they ever come close to ... well they're the official bitching party of the Canadas, without a clue in the world, so if the "parliamentary" messes last for another 5 years and they form the "official opposition" they'll be in their element -- knowing nothing but how to criticize. And they're detatched from all reality around that, but such is life in "the Canadas" for now).
They got ripped off by $10 billion over 5 years; $2 billion a year in confederate spending owed to Ontario per capita but not paid. Mike Harris, with a $63.4 billion budget deficit to pay off, lost another $10 billion in one fiscal year, 1995-96.
Then the confederate deficit was paid off so they returned $22 billion less in revenues (out of $80+ billion; over the entire GDP of most "provinces") Ontarians paid out in confederate taxes, every year from 1997-98 through 2003-04, averaged out.
Everything in the Canadas that means anything has already documented it, the Ontario Chamber of Commerce and Canadian Chamber of Commerce (everything ... but the confederates, trying to deny their own numbers) is out for blood (due to all of the blood it's caused in Ontario) to get our fair share back and unlike other provinces, Ontario can't just do what B.C. did to pay its last NDP "oops" deficit off, collecting equalization welfare handouts -- because Ontario pays for them all.
Raising provincial taxes certainly wasn't an option after Peterson, Peterson/Rae, then the Rae NDP Lunatics with something that should not exist: a "majority dictatorship" and the McGuinty Liberals are almost making the Rae NDP Lunatics look somewhat sane.
No one gives a rat's ass about a Martin, Harper or <shivers> Layton majority dictatorship, we're probably going to end up, again, with the lowest voter turnout, making the U.S. look good, in the next totally worthless confederate election (dump them) because south Ontario needs to restructure from the ridiculously medieval lines (legislation) on political maps, into the Province of Toronto, whatever the rest of the "GTA thing" wants to call its province along with the rest of southcentral/southwest and southcentral/southeast Ontario want to call their provinces, then North Ontario territory.
Not just numbers, though the "Reverend" (detatched from all logic due to living nowhere and actually believing NDP ranting) will try to claim otherwise, try to argue with this:
[Census] Metropolitan Areas ([C]MA) Populations, 2001 Census
Top 10 and the actual city/municipal populations the MA is based on
Metropolitan area: a very large urban area (known as the urban core) together with adjacent urban and rural areas that have a high degree of social and economic integration with the urban core. An MA has an urban core population of at least 100,000, based on the previous census.
The ranks change 
; Vancouver moves down to spot 7 and one municipality in the Toronto CMA (real; one city hall, not a faked StatsCan't census subdivision):
out-populates Newfoundland & Labrador let alone Vancouver and has already passed Winnipeg due to a 9.8% population growth rate for Mississauga (attached to Toronto's west end from north to south) from the 1996 census to the 2001 census, and growing, while Winnipeg only had a 0.2% change in population from 1996 to 2001; which makes Mississauga the 6th most populous municipality (type City) in the Canadas. And to think that in 1986 it only had a population of 57,000 people; so their web site claims. No one in the former Metropolitan Toronto would have heard of Mississauga in 1986, unless they knew someone who lived there; if it wasn't still "Streetsville" in 1986.
Greater Toronto Area, 2001, Census Divisions and Census Subdivisions
The numbers preceding census division (CD, "county") names "01-" are the provincial population ranks for the CD in total population (highest to lowest) of the 49 CDs in Ontario identified by the 2001 Census.
The numbers following CD names are the totals for the CD/"country" municipality type (C=City, T=Town, TP=Township, R=Reserve)
* And "county" of type Division (Ontario has Divisions, Regional Municipalities, Counties, United Counties as "counties") of the municipality of Toronto is also a county and "municipality". It has one city hall and 22 of 103 totally worthless MPPs in the "Ontario parliamentary legislature" and 22 of 306 far less than worthless confederate MPs in the ridiculous "Commons" where no one has anything in common with, or can even comprehend "Toronto Division" and where it is politically incorrect to even mention it, unless "Toronto" happens to be in the name of an electoral district, as in Toronto-Danforth and "our representative" for the municipality of Toronto, or at least the "Ontarios thing" given that everyone else has MPs who actually represent the interests of their "ridings" is more interested in British Columbia than what should have been the Province of Toronto 20 years ago; but forget about it at the "Park of the Queens" (with the nerve to be sitting on prime real estate in downtown Toronto no less), let alone the ridiculous "Commons".
Greater Toronto Area with "Counties" Removed, 2001 Census
Sorted by census subdivision populaton totals
After each municipality name:
(T) = Toronto Division
(P) = Peel Regional Municipality
(Y) = York Regional Municipality
(D) = Durham Regional Municipality
(H) = Halton Regional Municipality
Source: Statistics Canada
First the 2001 populations so you can check them when they're merged into the "GTA thing":
Population of the Canadas, 2001 * Please note that the most appropriate 2001 population figures for Canada, provinces and territories are the current postcensal population estimates. See the explanatory note.
Source: Statistics Canada - Population and Dwelling Counts, for Canada, Provinces and Territories, 2001 and 1996 Censuses - 100% Data
See also: Statistics Canada - Show land area and population density counts for this table, Tables - Population and Dwelling Counts (links to just about everything), 2001 Census Index/Home Page (the link to the above is "Population and Dwelling Counts")
Now let's merge them in with the "GTA thing":
The Canadas and Greater Toronto Area Municipalities, 2001 Census
Provinces added, less "municipality" of Toronto for Ontario 1, less the population of the "GTA thing" (a political disaster due to the insults to the words "structures" and "systems" in these mess of "federations" due to the insults to the words "structures" [the medeival lines on political maps due to medieval ...] and "systems" [political and showing their worthlessness more and more every day, let alone year, let alone election year] for the population of Ontario 2
After each census subdivision name:
(T) = Toronto Division
(P) = Peel Regional Municipality
(Y) = York Regional Municipality
(D) = Durham Regional Municipality
(H) = Halton Regional Municipality
(DM) = Politically disorganized mess
(PR) = PROVINCES
Source: Statistics Canada
The Toronto Police Service out-mans the Canadian Army and is paid for entirely out of what's left of the municipal taxes the real Toronto doesn't get stolen from it by the Ontario and confederate feds, on top of dumping their own (by law) responsiblities (our fair share of our own taxes back; $11 billion was taken last year alone from the "municipality" of Toronto.
As a province it would set its own everything and if PEI gets to be a province then the municipality of Toronto gets to be 12 provinces, with 12 provincial government premiers to show up to "First Minister's" meetings. Not one.
The Toronto Police Service has the best-paid cops in the Canadas but as per usual around unions, it's never enough. And it's not enough for this province-municipality.
Peel, York and Durham have police helicopters. Toronto "can't afford" the one it had for testing (at its own expense -- return our $11 billion then add $1 to it and you'll have actually paid some percentage of one cent into the City of Toronto. Big bad Alberta pays out over a billion dollars less in the only "taxes" that matter, never to be seen again, there, than the City of Toronto alone does, never to be seen again here), and we have to pay to rent police helicopters off of jurisdictions that pay out nowhere NEAR the taxes the municipality/county/City of Toronto does.
No one and nothing here compares itself to anything in the Canadas because there is no comparison to make -- as is. We don't compete with the rest of the Canadas, we don't have much interest in the rest of the Ontarios let alone the rest of the Canadas, due to that. We compete with comparable (difficult to find) city-regions in the U.S. and the population of this region is going to double in the next 25 years at best, which is no time to start building new hospitals, affordable housing, public transit, education and all other infrastructure and training -- while being plundered of municipal taxes on down to municipal fines that the Toronto Police Service has to be paid for to investigate, municipal courts (bylaws, fines on municipal licences) to try to prosecute -- and the Ontario feds even take that money.
They'll be stealing parking ticket "revenues" soon enough and the GTA has the lowest recovery rate on traffic tickets in general due to too few cops to show up to court and people who know it and fight traffic and parking tickets like nowhere else in the Canadas does. 41% of traffic/parking tickets are thrown out of court every year because we have cops who are supposed to be working behind desks out on patrols, with no time to show up to municipal traffic courts to testify -- wasting even more municipal taxes.
GET A FREAKING CLUE OUT THERE.
Quoting
Lots of people "remember" what they're told to, particularly around Toronto, but have no clue what they're talking about.
This is starting to become another of those uniquely Toronto disasters that will require bringing in the Army to solve the problem 
Remember the couple of inches of snow?
Remember the couple of inches of snow?
Toronto's former "mayor" (Lastman) was in the Caribbean at the time, heard ominous weather reports and declared a state of emergency, didn't bother checking with anyone (we were on our way up to the cottage for a barbecue in a Mazda RX-7 and saw massive military vehicles headed south; quite a rare site around here, a first for me after 42 years of living in south Ontario/Toronto, aside from a couple of years in Vancouver and a month or so here, there and everywhere) and um, Lastman was insane. Probably still is.
He called in the 'national guard' to deal with what was supposed to be, well:
Quote:
Everyone here was laughing at Lastman, but the weather reports he had from the Caribbean were ominous and if this "municipality" of 2.5 million residents with a sixth of all jobs in the Canadas gets shut down, then NAFTA shuts down, let alone the rest of the Canadas.
Since Toronto receives one of the lowest levels of average annual snowfall of any major Canadian city, it traditionally does not budget as much to remove the white stuff.
While Toronto's snow-clearing budget is the second largest among big Canadian cities at C$32.2 million after Montreal's C$54 million, it is the lowest per capita at C$13.59 compared to C$53.13 in Montreal.
The city [Toronto] also has the most roads to clear, some 5,100 kilometres (3,170 miles), roughly the distance across the country. (C) Reuters Limited 1999.
While Toronto's snow-clearing budget is the second largest among big Canadian cities at C$32.2 million after Montreal's C$54 million, it is the lowest per capita at C$13.59 compared to C$53.13 in Montreal.
The city [Toronto] also has the most roads to clear, some 5,100 kilometres (3,170 miles), roughly the distance across the country. (C) Reuters Limited 1999.
And we pay for the military anyway so who cares? Mel Lastman, the former "mayor" (city counciller of the Toronto Zoo -- due to it having just the irrelevant (due to the millions of commuters, who don't pay one cent that Toronto City Hall gets to keep, the millions of business travelers and tourists and other visitors that Toronto City Hall doesn't get one cent out of; just lots of expenses and "provincial" and "federal" expenses being not only paid for out of municipal property taxes, the one the "Ontario" feds let the single municipality of Toronto keep, with zero reason to pay "provincial" taxes let alone confederate taxes and with the single municipality of Toronto directly funding both the "Ontario" and confederate dipsh**s) resident population of the "municipality" of type city, hence City of Toronto with one city hall to try to represent itself with and the irrelevant resident population out-populates the "provinces" of:
Nova Scotia + New Brunswick + Prince Edward Island + Newfoundland & Labrador + Yukon + Northwest + Nunuvat (how did that thing ever get created? It has the population of a few subway trains in the "municipality" of Toronto).
2001 Census
Municipality of Toronto: 2,481,494
4 "provinces" and all 3 territories: 2,378,508
Just in the irrelevant resident population of the "municipality" of Toronto, which out-populated the "provinces" of Saskatchewan + Manitoba + Prince Edward Island + Yukon + Northwest + Nunavat by 154,905 in 2001 and no big city in North America is growing faster than Toronto other than L.A.
Pictures are worth a thousand words. And it's very relevant to this thread because nothing in these federation is capable of comprehending "Toronto".
Those who have lived in the former six municipalities of the former Metropolitan Toronto, merged into one municipality with one city hall in 1998, for the last 20 years or more, know, have seen, cannot avoid seeing the decline of the now singular municipality of Toronto, not due to Harris but due to the Rae NDP Lunatics breaking a world record with their usual fantasy world, detatched from all reality they get by in suburbs that call themselves "provinces" with handouts from south Ontario but overspent by $63,400 million, an incomprehensible amount of money (go ahead and divide it by 1,000 if you've ever seen a $1,000 bill and try to imagine a stack of 63,400 $1,000 bilsl), in only 5 years in a real province.
And the confederates (the other "feds", the ones on Pluto as opposed to the ones in downtown Toronto on Mars) were stealing $2 billion a year from Ontarians while the Peterson-Rae/Peterson minority/Rae NDP Lunatics with a majority dictatorship were in power.
The year Mike Harris was elected (1995), with over double the accumulated "budget deficit" to pay off than the confederates had -- they didn't resolve the $2 billlion Ontario was getting short-changed of in confederate pittances of tax returns to "Ontario" (per capita as compared to every other province) -- they returned $10 billion less of Ontario's fair share of its own confederate taxes paid out (certainly nowhere near all of them) from Mike Harris' election year of fiscal 1995-96.
$10 billion is what the "fiscal imbalance" Peterson and Rae had been bitching about ("only" $2 billion for them) but in the entire 5 years the Rae NDP Lunatics bitched (with good reason given that they couldn't find the golden geese under tha magial money trees as usual and broke a world record for any subnational government anywhere, anytime "running" Toronto, they discovered that union mobsters don't EMPLOY ANYONE when they "had their man in", made outrageous demands and got LOCKED OUT by the corporations who do employ them -- and the NDP discovered real corporations with big balls, along with the usual around labor union slobs, the mobsters running the unions in Toronto with big mouths but no possible way to create jobs or even have anyone working when every corporation locks them out ... and then the oblivious NDP discovered the REAL employers and "turned their backs on the working man" by trying to deal with the corporations, so all of the unions went on strike -- they are from an era that does not exist here, the NDP isn't even an official party in the Ontarios but for the same reason they ended up with a total fluke/mistake of a majority dictatorship in the Ontarios, by default, the PCs and Liberals weren't worth voting for in the Ontarios and of course it's spread out to the rest of the Canadas -- but we'll kill them, string them up on flagpoles, if they ever come close to ... well they're the official bitching party of the Canadas, without a clue in the world, so if the "parliamentary" messes last for another 5 years and they form the "official opposition" they'll be in their element -- knowing nothing but how to criticize. And they're detatched from all reality around that, but such is life in "the Canadas" for now).
They got ripped off by $10 billion over 5 years; $2 billion a year in confederate spending owed to Ontario per capita but not paid. Mike Harris, with a $63.4 billion budget deficit to pay off, lost another $10 billion in one fiscal year, 1995-96.
Then the confederate deficit was paid off so they returned $22 billion less in revenues (out of $80+ billion; over the entire GDP of most "provinces") Ontarians paid out in confederate taxes, every year from 1997-98 through 2003-04, averaged out.
Everything in the Canadas that means anything has already documented it, the Ontario Chamber of Commerce and Canadian Chamber of Commerce (everything ... but the confederates, trying to deny their own numbers) is out for blood (due to all of the blood it's caused in Ontario) to get our fair share back and unlike other provinces, Ontario can't just do what B.C. did to pay its last NDP "oops" deficit off, collecting equalization welfare handouts -- because Ontario pays for them all.
Raising provincial taxes certainly wasn't an option after Peterson, Peterson/Rae, then the Rae NDP Lunatics with something that should not exist: a "majority dictatorship" and the McGuinty Liberals are almost making the Rae NDP Lunatics look somewhat sane.
No one gives a rat's ass about a Martin, Harper or <shivers> Layton majority dictatorship, we're probably going to end up, again, with the lowest voter turnout, making the U.S. look good, in the next totally worthless confederate election (dump them) because south Ontario needs to restructure from the ridiculously medieval lines (legislation) on political maps, into the Province of Toronto, whatever the rest of the "GTA thing" wants to call its province along with the rest of southcentral/southwest and southcentral/southeast Ontario want to call their provinces, then North Ontario territory.
Not just numbers, though the "Reverend" (detatched from all logic due to living nowhere and actually believing NDP ranting) will try to claim otherwise, try to argue with this:
[Census] Metropolitan Areas ([C]MA) Populations, 2001 Census
Top 10 and the actual city/municipal populations the MA is based on
Metropolitan area: a very large urban area (known as the urban core) together with adjacent urban and rural areas that have a high degree of social and economic integration with the urban core. An MA has an urban core population of at least 100,000, based on the previous census.
Code:
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MA 2001
1 - Toronto (ON) 4,682,897
2 - Montréal (QC) 3,426,350
3 - Vancouver (BC) 1,986,965
4 - Ottawa-Hull (ON) 1,063,664
5 - Calgary (AB) 951,395
6 - Edmonton (AB) 937,845
7 - Québec City (QC) 682,757
8 - Winnipeg (MB) 671,274
9 - Hamilton (ON) 662,401
10 - London (ON) 432,451
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Municipality (CSD) 2001
1 - Toronto (ON) 2,481,494
2 - Montréal (QC) 1,039,534
3 - Calgary (AB) 878,866
4 - Ottawa (ON) 774,072
5 - Edmonton (AB) 666,104
6 - Winnipeg (MB) 619,544
7 - Vancouver (BC) 545,671
8 - Hamilton (ON) 490,268
9 - London (ON) 336,539
10 - Québec City (QC) 169,076
_______________________________ ; Vancouver moves down to spot 7 and one municipality in the Toronto CMA (real; one city hall, not a faked StatsCan't census subdivision):Code:
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Municipality (CSD) 2001
Mississauga (ON) 612,925
_________________________________ Greater Toronto Area, 2001, Census Divisions and Census Subdivisions
The numbers preceding census division (CD, "county") names "01-" are the provincial population ranks for the CD in total population (highest to lowest) of the 49 CDs in Ontario identified by the 2001 Census.
The numbers following CD names are the totals for the CD/"country" municipality type (C=City, T=Town, TP=Township, R=Reserve)
Code:
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Total Urban Urban Rural Urban
Name Type Pop Pop %Pop Pop %Pop
01-Toronto Division 2,481,494 2,481,494 100.0 0 0.0
Toronto ................... C 2,481,494 2,481,494 100.0 0 0.0
02-Peel Regional Municipality 988,948 955,514 96.6 33,434 3.4
Mississauga ............... C 612,925 612,196 99.9 729 0.1
Brampton .................. C 325,428 316,259 97.2 9,169 2.8
25-74.9% Rural Population
Caledon ................... T 50,595 27,059 53.5 23,536 46.5
04-York Regional Municipality 729,254 679,611 93.2 49,643 6.8
Markham ................... T 208,615 204,422 98.0 4,193 2.0
Vaughan ................... C 182,022 177,918 97.7 4,104 2.3
Richmond Hill ............. T 132,030 130,654 99.0 1,376 1.0
Newmarket ................. T 65,788 65,788 100.0 0 0.0
Aurora .................... T 40,167 38,545 96.0 1,622 4.0
25-74.9% Rural Population
Georgina .................. T 39,263 27,621 70.3 11,642 29.7
East Gwillimbury .......... T 20,555 13,968 68.0 6,587 32.0
King ...................... TP 18,533 9,622 51.9 8,911 48.1
Whitchurch-Stouffville .... T 22,008 11,073 50.3 10,935 49.7
75-100% Rural Population
Chippewas of Georgina
Island First Nation ...... R 273 0 0.0 273 100.0
05-Durham Regional Municipality 506,901 450,792 88.9 56,109 11.1
Oshawa .................... C 139,051 136,585 98.2 2,466 1.8
Whitby .................... T 87,413 84,739 96.9 2,674 3.1
Pickering ................. C 87,139 82,637 94.8 4,502 5.2
Ajax ...................... T 73,753 72,509 98.3 1,244 1.7
Clarington ................ T 69,834 53,466 76.6 16,368 23.4
25-74.9% Rural Population
Uxbridge .................. TP 17,377 8,540 49.1 8,837 50.9
Brock ..................... TP 12,110 5,072 41.9 7,038 58.1
Scugog .................... TP 20,173 7,244 35.9 12,929 64.1
75-100% Rural Population
Mississaugas of
Scugog Island ............ R 51 0 0.0 51 100.0
10-Halton Regional Municipality 375,229 352,117 93.8 23,112 6.2
Burlington ................ C 150,836 146,997 97.5 3,839 2.5
Oakville .................. T 144,738 143,621 99.2 1,117 0.8
Halton Hills .............. T 48,184 39,277 81.5 8,907 18.5
25-74.9% Rural Population
Milton .................... T 31,471 22,222 70.6 9,249 29.4
MUNICIPALITY OF TORONTO* 2,481,494
REST OF GTA 2,600,332
TOTAL 5,081,826
_______________________________________________________________________ Greater Toronto Area with "Counties" Removed, 2001 Census
Sorted by census subdivision populaton totals
After each municipality name:
(T) = Toronto Division
(P) = Peel Regional Municipality
(Y) = York Regional Municipality
(D) = Durham Regional Municipality
(H) = Halton Regional Municipality
Code:
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Total Urban Urban Rural Urban
Name Type Pop Pop %Pop Pop %Pop
Toronto (T) ................ C 2,481,494 2,481,494 100.0 0 0.0
Mississauga (P)............. C 612,925 612,196 99.9 729 0.1
Brampton (P) ............... C 325,428 316,259 97.2 9,169 2.8
Markham (Y) ................ T 208,615 204,422 98.0 4,193 2.0
Vaughan (Y) ................ C 182,022 177,918 97.7 4,104 2.3
Burlington (H) ............. C 150,836 146,997 97.5 3,839 2.5
Oshawa (D) ................. C 139,051 136,585 98.2 2,466 1.8
Oakville (H) ............... T 144,738 143,621 99.2 1,117 0.8
Richmond Hill (Y) .......... T 132,030 130,654 99.0 1,376 1.0
Whitby (D) ................. T 87,413 84,739 96.9 2,674 3.1
Pickering (D) .............. C 87,139 82,637 94.8 4,502 5.2
Ajax (D) ................... T 73,753 72,509 98.3 1,244 1.7
Clarington (D) ............. T 69,834 53,466 76.6 16,368 23.4
Newmarket (Y) .............. T 65,788 65,788 100.0 0 0.0
Caledon (P) ................ T 50,595 27,059 53.5 23,536 46.5
Halton Hills (H) ........... T 48,184 39,277 81.5 8,907 18.5
Aurora (Y) ................. T 40,167 38,545 96.0 1,622 4.0
Georgina (Y) ............... T 39,263 27,621 70.3 11,642 29.7
Milton (H) ................. T 31,471 22,222 70.6 9,249 29.4
Whitchurch-Stouffville (Y).. T 22,008 11,073 50.3 10,935 49.7
East Gwillimbury (Y) ....... T 20,555 13,968 68.0 6,587 32.0
Scugog (D) ................. TP 20,173 7,244 35.9 12,929 64.1
King (Y) ................... TP 18,533 9,622 51.9 8,911 48.1
Uxbridge (D) ............... TP 17,377 8,540 49.1 8,837 50.9
Brock (D) .................. TP 12,110 5,072 41.9 7,038 58.1
Chippewas of Georgina
Island First Nation (Y) ... R 273 0 0.0 273 100.0
Mississaugas of
Scugog Isand (D) .......... R 51 0 0.0 51 100.0
MUNICIPALITY OF TORONTO 2,481,494
REST OF GTA 2,600,332
TOTAL 5,081,826
_______________________________________________________________________ First the 2001 populations so you can check them when they're merged into the "GTA thing":
Population of the Canadas, 2001
Code:
__________________________________________ JURISDICTION 2001* POP% Ontario 11,410,046 38.02 Québec 7,237,479 24.12 British Columbia 3,907,738 13.02 Alberta 2,974,807 9.91 Manitoba 1,119,583 3.73 Saskatchewan 978,933 3.26 Nova Scotia 908,007 3.03 New Brunswick 729,498 2.43 Newfoundland & Labrador 512,930 1.71 Prince Edward Island 135,294 0.45 Northwest Territories 37,360 0.12 Yukon Territory 28,674 0.10 Nunavat Territory 26,745 0.09 TOTAL 30,007,094 100.00 _________________________________________ REGIONS 2001* POP% (ON+QC) Total 18,647,525 62.14 (ON+QC+BC) Total 22,555,263 75.17 Rest - (ON+QC) Total 11,359,569 37.86 Rest - (ON+QC+BC) Total 7,451,831 24.83 Prairie (AB+SK+MB) Total 5,073,323 16.91 (MB+SK) Total ^ to AB 2,098,516 6.99 Atlantica Total 2,285,729 7.62 Territory Total 92,779 0.31 __________________________________________
Source: Statistics Canada - Population and Dwelling Counts, for Canada, Provinces and Territories, 2001 and 1996 Censuses - 100% Data
See also: Statistics Canada - Show land area and population density counts for this table, Tables - Population and Dwelling Counts (links to just about everything), 2001 Census Index/Home Page (the link to the above is "Population and Dwelling Counts")
Now let's merge them in with the "GTA thing":
The Canadas and Greater Toronto Area Municipalities, 2001 Census
Provinces added, less "municipality" of Toronto for Ontario 1, less the population of the "GTA thing" (a political disaster due to the insults to the words "structures" and "systems" in these mess of "federations" due to the insults to the words "structures" [the medeival lines on political maps due to medieval ...] and "systems" [political and showing their worthlessness more and more every day, let alone year, let alone election year] for the population of Ontario 2
After each census subdivision name:
(T) = Toronto Division
(P) = Peel Regional Municipality
(Y) = York Regional Municipality
(D) = Durham Regional Municipality
(H) = Halton Regional Municipality
(DM) = Politically disorganized mess
(PR) = PROVINCES
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Total
Name Type Pop
ONTARIO 1 (less Toronto) DM 8,928,552
QUEBEC PR 7,237,479
ONTARIO 2 (less "GTA") DM 6,328,220
GTA ........................ DM 5,081,826
BRITISH COLUMBIA PR 3,907,738
ALBERTA PR 2,974,807
Toronto (T) ................ C 2,481,494
MANITOBA PR 1,119,583
SASKATCHEWAN PR 978,933
NOVA SCOTIA PR 908,007
NEW BRUNSWICK PR 729,498
Mississauga (P)............. C 612,925
NEWFOUNDLAND & LABRADOR PR 512,930
Brampton (P) ............... C 325,428
Markham (Y) ................ T 208,615
Vaughan (Y) ................ C 182,022
Burlington (H) ............. C 150,836
Oshawa (D) ................. C 139,051
Oakville (H) ............... T 144,738
PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND PR 135,294
Richmond Hill (Y) .......... T 132,030
Whitby (D) ................. T 87,413
Pickering (D) .............. C 87,139
Ajax (D) ................... T 73,753
Clarington (D) ............. T 69,834
Newmarket (Y) .............. T 65,788
Caledon (P) ................ T 50,595
Halton Hills (H) ........... T 48,184
Aurora (Y) ................. T 40,167
Georgina (Y) ............... T 39,263
NORTHWEST TERRITORIES PR 37,360
Milton (H) ................. T 31,471
YUKON TERRITORY PR 28,674
NUNAVAT TERRITORY PR 26,745
Whitchurch-Stouffville (Y).. T 22,008
East Gwillimbury (Y) ....... T 20,555
Scugog (D) ................. TP 20,173
King (Y) ................... TP 18,533
Uxbridge (D) ............... TP 17,377
Brock (D) .................. TP 12,110
Chippewas of Georgina
Island First Nation (Y) ... R 273
Mississaugas of
Scugog Isand (D) .......... R 51
MUNICIPALITY OF TORONTO 2,481,494
REST OF GTA 2,600,332
TOTAL 5,081,826
__________________________________________ The Toronto Police Service out-mans the Canadian Army and is paid for entirely out of what's left of the municipal taxes the real Toronto doesn't get stolen from it by the Ontario and confederate feds, on top of dumping their own (by law) responsiblities (our fair share of our own taxes back; $11 billion was taken last year alone from the "municipality" of Toronto.
As a province it would set its own everything and if PEI gets to be a province then the municipality of Toronto gets to be 12 provinces, with 12 provincial government premiers to show up to "First Minister's" meetings. Not one.
The Toronto Police Service has the best-paid cops in the Canadas but as per usual around unions, it's never enough. And it's not enough for this province-municipality.
Peel, York and Durham have police helicopters. Toronto "can't afford" the one it had for testing (at its own expense -- return our $11 billion then add $1 to it and you'll have actually paid some percentage of one cent into the City of Toronto. Big bad Alberta pays out over a billion dollars less in the only "taxes" that matter, never to be seen again, there, than the City of Toronto alone does, never to be seen again here), and we have to pay to rent police helicopters off of jurisdictions that pay out nowhere NEAR the taxes the municipality/county/City of Toronto does.
No one and nothing here compares itself to anything in the Canadas because there is no comparison to make -- as is. We don't compete with the rest of the Canadas, we don't have much interest in the rest of the Ontarios let alone the rest of the Canadas, due to that. We compete with comparable (difficult to find) city-regions in the U.S. and the population of this region is going to double in the next 25 years at best, which is no time to start building new hospitals, affordable housing, public transit, education and all other infrastructure and training -- while being plundered of municipal taxes on down to municipal fines that the Toronto Police Service has to be paid for to investigate, municipal courts (bylaws, fines on municipal licences) to try to prosecute -- and the Ontario feds even take that money.
They'll be stealing parking ticket "revenues" soon enough and the GTA has the lowest recovery rate on traffic tickets in general due to too few cops to show up to court and people who know it and fight traffic and parking tickets like nowhere else in the Canadas does. 41% of traffic/parking tickets are thrown out of court every year because we have cops who are supposed to be working behind desks out on patrols, with no time to show up to municipal traffic courts to testify -- wasting even more municipal taxes.
GET A FREAKING CLUE OUT THERE.
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Location: South Ontario, Toronto District
Location: South Ontario, Toronto District
November 28th, 2005, 03:19 PM
Toronto's former "mayor" (Lastman) was in the Caribbean at the time, heard ominous weather reports and declared a state of emergency, didn't bother checking with anyone (we were on our way up to the cottage for a barbecue in a Mazda RX-7 and saw massive military vehicles headed south; quite a rare site around here, a first for me after 42 years of living in south Ontario/Toronto, aside from a couple of years in Vancouver and a month or so here, there and everywhere) and um, Lastman was insane. Probably still is.
He called in the 'national guard' to deal with what was supposed to be, well:
And we pay for the military anyway so who cares? Mel Lastman, the former "mayor" (city counciller of the Toronto Zoo -- due to it having just the irrelevant (due to the millions of commuters, who don't pay one cent that Toronto City Hall gets to keep, the millions of business travelers and tourists and other visitors that Toronto City Hall doesn't get one cent out of; just lots of expenses and "provincial" and "federal" expenses being not only paid for out of municipal property taxes, the one the "Ontario" feds let the single municipality of Toronto keep, with zero reason to pay "provincial" taxes let alone confederate taxes and with the single municipality of Toronto directly funding both the "Ontario" and confederate dipsh**s) resident population of the "municipality" of type city, hence City of Toronto with one city hall to try to represent itself with and the irrelevant resident population out-populates the "provinces" of:
Nova Scotia + New Brunswick + Prince Edward Island + Newfoundland & Labrador + Yukon + Northwest + Nunuvat (how did that thing ever get created? It has the population of a few subway trains in the "municipality" of Toronto).
2001 Census
Municipality of Toronto: 2,481,494
4 "provinces" and all 3 territories: 2,378,508
Just in the irrelevant resident population of the "municipality" of Toronto, which out-populated the "provinces" of Saskatchewan + Manitoba + Prince Edward Island + Yukon + Northwest + Nunavat by 154,905 in 2001 and no big city in North America is growing faster than Toronto other than L.A.
Pictures are worth a thousand words. And it's very relevant to this thread because nothing in these federation is capable of comprehending "Toronto".
Those who have lived in the former six municipalities of the former Metropolitan Toronto, merged into one municipality with one city hall in 1998, for the last 20 years or more, know, have seen, cannot avoid seeing the decline of the now singular municipality of Toronto, not due to Harris but due to the Rae NDP Lunatics breaking a world record with their usual fantasy world, detatched from all reality they get by in suburbs that call themselves "provinces" with handouts from south Ontario but overspent by $63,400 million, an incomprehensible amount of money (go ahead and divide it by 1,000 if you've ever seen a $1,000 bill and try to imagine a stack of 63,400 $1,000 bilsl), in only 5 years in a real province.
And the confederates (the other "feds", the ones on Pluto as opposed to the ones in downtown Toronto on Mars) were stealing $2 billion a year from Ontarians while the Peterson-Rae/Peterson minority/Rae NDP Lunatics with a majority dictatorship were in power.
The year Mike Harris was elected (1995), with over double the accumulated "budget deficit" to pay off than the confederates had -- they didn't resolve the $2 billlion Ontario was getting short-changed of in confederate pittances of tax returns to "Ontario" (per capita as compared to every other province) -- they returned $10 billion less of Ontario's fair share of its own confederate taxes paid out (certainly nowhere near all of them) from Mike Harris' election year of fiscal 1995-96.
$10 billion is what the "fiscal imbalance" Peterson and Rae had been bitching about ("only" $2 billion for them) but in the entire 5 years the Rae NDP Lunatics bitched (with good reason given that they couldn't find the golden geese under tha magial money trees as usual and broke a world record for any subnational government anywhere, anytime "running" Toronto, they discovered that union mobsters don't EMPLOY ANYONE when they "had their man in", made outrageous demands and got LOCKED OUT by the corporations who do employ them -- and the NDP discovered real corporations with big balls, along with the usual around labor union slobs, the mobsters running the unions in Toronto with big mouths but no possible way to create jobs or even have anyone working when every corporation locks them out ... and then the oblivious NDP discovered the REAL employers and "turned their backs on the working man" by trying to deal with the corporations, so all of the unions went on strike -- they are from an era that does not exist here, the NDP isn't even an official party in the Ontarios but for the same reason they ended up with a total fluke/mistake of a majority dictatorship in the Ontarios, by default, the PCs and Liberals weren't worth voting for in the Ontarios and of course it's spread out to the rest of the Canadas -- but we'll kill them, string them up on flagpoles, if they ever come close to ... well they're the official bitching party of the Canadas, without a clue in the world, so if the "parliamentary" messes last for another 5 years and they form the "official opposition" they'll be in their element -- knowing nothing but how to criticize. And they're detatched from all reality around that, but such is life in "the Canadas" for now).
They got ripped off by $10 billion over 5 years; $2 billion a year in confederate spending owed to Ontario per capita but not paid. Mike Harris, with a $63.4 billion budget deficit to pay off, lost another $10 billion in one fiscal year, 1995-96.
Then the confederate deficit was paid off so they returned $22 billion less in revenues (out of $80+ billion; over the entire GDP of most "provinces") Ontarians paid out in confederate taxes, every year from 1997-98 through 2003-04, averaged out.
Everything in the Canadas that means anything has already documented it, the Ontario Chamber of Commerce and Canadian Chamber of Commerce (everything ... but the confederates, trying to deny their own numbers) is out for blood (due to all of the blood it's caused in Ontario) to get our fair share back and unlike other provinces, Ontario can't just do what B.C. did to pay its last NDP "oops" deficit off, collecting equalization welfare handouts -- because Ontario pays for them all.
Raising provincial taxes certainly wasn't an option after Peterson, Peterson/Rae, then the Rae NDP Lunatics with something that should not exist: a "majority dictatorship" and the McGuinty Liberals are almost making the Rae NDP Lunatics look somewhat sane.
No one gives a rat's ass about a Martin, Harper or <shivers> Layton majority dictatorship, we're probably going to end up, again, with the lowest voter turnout, making the U.S. look good, in the next totally worthless confederate election (dump them) because south Ontario needs to restructure from the ridiculously medieval lines (legislation) on political maps, into the Province of Toronto, whatever the rest of the "GTA thing" wants to call its province along with the rest of southcentral/southwest and southcentral/southeast Ontario want to call their provinces, then North Ontario territory.
Not just numbers, though the "Reverend" (detatched from all logic due to living nowhere and actually believing NDP ranting) will try to claim otherwise, try to argue with this:
[Census] Metropolitan Areas ([C]MA) Populations, 2001 Census
Top 10 and the actual city/municipal populations the MA is based on
Metropolitan area: a very large urban area (known as the urban core) together with adjacent urban and rural areas that have a high degree of social and economic integration with the urban core. An MA has an urban core population of at least 100,000, based on the previous census.
The ranks change ; Vancouver moves down to spot 7 and one municipality in the Toronto CMA (real; one city hall, not a faked StatsCan't census subdivision):
out-populates Newfoundland & Labrador let alone Vancouver and has already passed Winnipeg due to a 9.8% population growth rate for Mississauga (attached to Toronto's west end from north to south) from the 1996 census to the 2001 census, and growing, while Winnipeg only had a 0.2% change in population from 1996 to 2001; which makes Mississauga the 6th most populous municipality (type City) in the Canadas. And to think that in 1986 it only had a population of 57,000 people; so their web site claims. No one in the former Metropolitan Toronto would have heard of Mississauga in 1986, unless they knew someone who lived there; if it wasn't still "Streetsville" in 1986.
Greater Toronto Area, 2001, Census Divisions and Census Subdivisions
The numbers preceding census division (CD, "county") names "01-" are the provincial population ranks for the CD in total population (highest to lowest) of the 49 CDs in Ontario identified by the 2001 Census.
The numbers following CD names are the totals for the CD/"country" municipality type (C=City, T=Town, TP=Township, R=Reserve)
* And "county" of type Division (Ontario has Divisions, Regional Municipalities, Counties, United Counties as "counties") of the municipality of Toronto is also a county and "municipality". It has one city hall and 22 of 103 totally worthless MPPs in the "Ontario parliamentary legislature" and 22 of 306 far less than worthless confederate MPs in the ridiculous "Commons" where no one has anything in common with, or can even comprehend "Toronto Division" and where it is politically incorrect to even mention it, unless "Toronto" happens to be in the name of an electoral district, as in Toronto-Danforth and "our representative" for the municipality of Toronto, or at least the "Ontarios thing" given that everyone else has MPs who actually represent the interests of their "ridings" is more interested in British Columbia than what should have been the Province of Toronto 20 years ago; but forget about it at the "Park of the Queens" (with the nerve to be sitting on prime real estate in downtown Toronto no less), let alone the ridiculous "Commons".
Greater Toronto Area with "Counties" Removed, 2001 Census
Sorted by census subdivision populaton totals
After each municipality name:
(T) = Toronto Division
(P) = Peel Regional Municipality
(Y) = York Regional Municipality
(D) = Durham Regional Municipality
(H) = Halton Regional Municipality
Source: Statistics Canada
First the 2001 populations so you can check them when they're merged into the "GTA thing":
Population of the Canadas, 2001 * Please note that the most appropriate 2001 population figures for Canada, provinces and territories are the current postcensal population estimates. See the explanatory note.
Source: Statistics Canada - Population and Dwelling Counts, for Canada, Provinces and Territories, 2001 and 1996 Censuses - 100% Data
See also: Statistics Canada - Show land area and population density counts for this table, Tables - Population and Dwelling Counts (links to just about everything), 2001 Census Index/Home Page (the link to the above is "Population and Dwelling Counts")
Now let's merge them in with the "GTA thing":
The Canadas and Greater Toronto Area Municipalities, 2001 Census
Provinces added, less "municipality" of Toronto for Ontario 1, less the population of the "GTA thing" (a political disaster due to the insults to the words "structures" and "systems" in these mess of "federations" due to the insults to the words "structures" [the medeival lines on political maps due to medieval ...] and "systems" [political and showing their worthlessness more and more every day, let alone year, let alone election year] for the population of Ontario 2
After each census subdivision name:
(T) = Toronto Division
(P) = Peel Regional Municipality
(Y) = York Regional Municipality
(D) = Durham Regional Municipality
(H) = Halton Regional Municipality
(DM) = Politically disorganized mess
(PR) = PROVINCES
Source: Statistics Canada
The Toronto Police Service out-mans the Canadian Army and is paid for entirely out of what's left of the municipal taxes the real Toronto doesn't get stolen from it by the Ontario and confederate feds, on top of dumping their own (by law) responsiblities (our fair share of our own taxes back; $11 billion was taken last year alone from the "municipality" of Toronto.
As a province it would set its own everything and if PEI gets to be a province then the municipality of Toronto gets to be 12 provinces, with 12 provincial government premiers to show up to "First Minister's" meetings. Not one.
The Toronto Police Service has the best-paid cops in the Canadas but as per usual around unions, it's never enough. And it's not enough for this province-municipality.
Peel, York and Durham have police helicopters. Toronto "can't afford" the one it had for testing (at its own expense -- return our $11 billion then add $1 to it and you'll have actually paid some percentage of one cent into the City of Toronto. Big bad Alberta pays out over a billion dollars less in the only "taxes" that matter, never to be seen again, there, than the City of Toronto alone does, never to be seen again here), and we have to pay to rent police helicopters off of jurisdictions that pay out nowhere NEAR the taxes the municipality/county/City of Toronto does.
No one and nothing here compares itself to anything in the Canadas because there is no comparison to make -- as is. We don't compete with the rest of the Canadas, we don't have much interest in the rest of the Ontarios let alone the rest of the Canadas, due to that. We compete with comparable (difficult to find) city-regions in the U.S. and the population of this region is going to double in the next 25 years at best, which is no time to start building new hospitals, affordable housing, public transit, education and all other infrastructure and training -- while being plundered of municipal taxes on down to municipal fines that the Toronto Police Service has to be paid for to investigate, municipal courts (bylaws, fines on municipal licences) to try to prosecute -- and the Ontario feds even take that money.
They'll be stealing parking ticket "revenues" soon enough and the GTA has the lowest recovery rate on traffic tickets in general due to too few cops to show up to court and people who know it and fight traffic and parking tickets like nowhere else in the Canadas does. 41% of traffic/parking tickets are thrown out of court every year because we have cops who are supposed to be working behind desks out on patrols, with no time to show up to municipal traffic courts to testify -- wasting even more municipal taxes.
GET A FREAKING CLUE OUT THERE.
Quoting
Lots of people "remember" what they're told to, particularly around Toronto, but have no clue what they're talking about.
This is starting to become another of those uniquely Toronto disasters that will require bringing in the Army to solve the problem Remember the couple of inches of snow?
Remember the couple of inches of snow?
Toronto's former "mayor" (Lastman) was in the Caribbean at the time, heard ominous weather reports and declared a state of emergency, didn't bother checking with anyone (we were on our way up to the cottage for a barbecue in a Mazda RX-7 and saw massive military vehicles headed south; quite a rare site around here, a first for me after 42 years of living in south Ontario/Toronto, aside from a couple of years in Vancouver and a month or so here, there and everywhere) and um, Lastman was insane. Probably still is.
He called in the 'national guard' to deal with what was supposed to be, well:
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Everyone here was laughing at Lastman, but the weather reports he had from the Caribbean were ominous and if this "municipality" of 2.5 million residents with a sixth of all jobs in the Canadas gets shut down, then NAFTA shuts down, let alone the rest of the Canadas.
Since Toronto receives one of the lowest levels of average annual snowfall of any major Canadian city, it traditionally does not budget as much to remove the white stuff.
While Toronto's snow-clearing budget is the second largest among big Canadian cities at C$32.2 million after Montreal's C$54 million, it is the lowest per capita at C$13.59 compared to C$53.13 in Montreal.
The city [Toronto] also has the most roads to clear, some 5,100 kilometres (3,170 miles), roughly the distance across the country. (C) Reuters Limited 1999.
While Toronto's snow-clearing budget is the second largest among big Canadian cities at C$32.2 million after Montreal's C$54 million, it is the lowest per capita at C$13.59 compared to C$53.13 in Montreal.
The city [Toronto] also has the most roads to clear, some 5,100 kilometres (3,170 miles), roughly the distance across the country. (C) Reuters Limited 1999.
And we pay for the military anyway so who cares? Mel Lastman, the former "mayor" (city counciller of the Toronto Zoo -- due to it having just the irrelevant (due to the millions of commuters, who don't pay one cent that Toronto City Hall gets to keep, the millions of business travelers and tourists and other visitors that Toronto City Hall doesn't get one cent out of; just lots of expenses and "provincial" and "federal" expenses being not only paid for out of municipal property taxes, the one the "Ontario" feds let the single municipality of Toronto keep, with zero reason to pay "provincial" taxes let alone confederate taxes and with the single municipality of Toronto directly funding both the "Ontario" and confederate dipsh**s) resident population of the "municipality" of type city, hence City of Toronto with one city hall to try to represent itself with and the irrelevant resident population out-populates the "provinces" of:
Nova Scotia + New Brunswick + Prince Edward Island + Newfoundland & Labrador + Yukon + Northwest + Nunuvat (how did that thing ever get created? It has the population of a few subway trains in the "municipality" of Toronto).
2001 Census
Municipality of Toronto: 2,481,494
4 "provinces" and all 3 territories: 2,378,508
Just in the irrelevant resident population of the "municipality" of Toronto, which out-populated the "provinces" of Saskatchewan + Manitoba + Prince Edward Island + Yukon + Northwest + Nunavat by 154,905 in 2001 and no big city in North America is growing faster than Toronto other than L.A.
Pictures are worth a thousand words. And it's very relevant to this thread because nothing in these federation is capable of comprehending "Toronto".
Those who have lived in the former six municipalities of the former Metropolitan Toronto, merged into one municipality with one city hall in 1998, for the last 20 years or more, know, have seen, cannot avoid seeing the decline of the now singular municipality of Toronto, not due to Harris but due to the Rae NDP Lunatics breaking a world record with their usual fantasy world, detatched from all reality they get by in suburbs that call themselves "provinces" with handouts from south Ontario but overspent by $63,400 million, an incomprehensible amount of money (go ahead and divide it by 1,000 if you've ever seen a $1,000 bill and try to imagine a stack of 63,400 $1,000 bilsl), in only 5 years in a real province.
And the confederates (the other "feds", the ones on Pluto as opposed to the ones in downtown Toronto on Mars) were stealing $2 billion a year from Ontarians while the Peterson-Rae/Peterson minority/Rae NDP Lunatics with a majority dictatorship were in power.
The year Mike Harris was elected (1995), with over double the accumulated "budget deficit" to pay off than the confederates had -- they didn't resolve the $2 billlion Ontario was getting short-changed of in confederate pittances of tax returns to "Ontario" (per capita as compared to every other province) -- they returned $10 billion less of Ontario's fair share of its own confederate taxes paid out (certainly nowhere near all of them) from Mike Harris' election year of fiscal 1995-96.
$10 billion is what the "fiscal imbalance" Peterson and Rae had been bitching about ("only" $2 billion for them) but in the entire 5 years the Rae NDP Lunatics bitched (with good reason given that they couldn't find the golden geese under tha magial money trees as usual and broke a world record for any subnational government anywhere, anytime "running" Toronto, they discovered that union mobsters don't EMPLOY ANYONE when they "had their man in", made outrageous demands and got LOCKED OUT by the corporations who do employ them -- and the NDP discovered real corporations with big balls, along with the usual around labor union slobs, the mobsters running the unions in Toronto with big mouths but no possible way to create jobs or even have anyone working when every corporation locks them out ... and then the oblivious NDP discovered the REAL employers and "turned their backs on the working man" by trying to deal with the corporations, so all of the unions went on strike -- they are from an era that does not exist here, the NDP isn't even an official party in the Ontarios but for the same reason they ended up with a total fluke/mistake of a majority dictatorship in the Ontarios, by default, the PCs and Liberals weren't worth voting for in the Ontarios and of course it's spread out to the rest of the Canadas -- but we'll kill them, string them up on flagpoles, if they ever come close to ... well they're the official bitching party of the Canadas, without a clue in the world, so if the "parliamentary" messes last for another 5 years and they form the "official opposition" they'll be in their element -- knowing nothing but how to criticize. And they're detatched from all reality around that, but such is life in "the Canadas" for now).
They got ripped off by $10 billion over 5 years; $2 billion a year in confederate spending owed to Ontario per capita but not paid. Mike Harris, with a $63.4 billion budget deficit to pay off, lost another $10 billion in one fiscal year, 1995-96.
Then the confederate deficit was paid off so they returned $22 billion less in revenues (out of $80+ billion; over the entire GDP of most "provinces") Ontarians paid out in confederate taxes, every year from 1997-98 through 2003-04, averaged out.
Everything in the Canadas that means anything has already documented it, the Ontario Chamber of Commerce and Canadian Chamber of Commerce (everything ... but the confederates, trying to deny their own numbers) is out for blood (due to all of the blood it's caused in Ontario) to get our fair share back and unlike other provinces, Ontario can't just do what B.C. did to pay its last NDP "oops" deficit off, collecting equalization welfare handouts -- because Ontario pays for them all.
Raising provincial taxes certainly wasn't an option after Peterson, Peterson/Rae, then the Rae NDP Lunatics with something that should not exist: a "majority dictatorship" and the McGuinty Liberals are almost making the Rae NDP Lunatics look somewhat sane.
No one gives a rat's ass about a Martin, Harper or <shivers> Layton majority dictatorship, we're probably going to end up, again, with the lowest voter turnout, making the U.S. look good, in the next totally worthless confederate election (dump them) because south Ontario needs to restructure from the ridiculously medieval lines (legislation) on political maps, into the Province of Toronto, whatever the rest of the "GTA thing" wants to call its province along with the rest of southcentral/southwest and southcentral/southeast Ontario want to call their provinces, then North Ontario territory.
Not just numbers, though the "Reverend" (detatched from all logic due to living nowhere and actually believing NDP ranting) will try to claim otherwise, try to argue with this:
[Census] Metropolitan Areas ([C]MA) Populations, 2001 Census
Top 10 and the actual city/municipal populations the MA is based on
Metropolitan area: a very large urban area (known as the urban core) together with adjacent urban and rural areas that have a high degree of social and economic integration with the urban core. An MA has an urban core population of at least 100,000, based on the previous census.
Code:
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MA 2001
1 - Toronto (ON) 4,682,897
2 - Montréal (QC) 3,426,350
3 - Vancouver (BC) 1,986,965
4 - Ottawa-Hull (ON) 1,063,664
5 - Calgary (AB) 951,395
6 - Edmonton (AB) 937,845
7 - Québec City (QC) 682,757
8 - Winnipeg (MB) 671,274
9 - Hamilton (ON) 662,401
10 - London (ON) 432,451
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Municipality (CSD) 2001
1 - Toronto (ON) 2,481,494
2 - Montréal (QC) 1,039,534
3 - Calgary (AB) 878,866
4 - Ottawa (ON) 774,072
5 - Edmonton (AB) 666,104
6 - Winnipeg (MB) 619,544
7 - Vancouver (BC) 545,671
8 - Hamilton (ON) 490,268
9 - London (ON) 336,539
10 - Québec City (QC) 169,076
_______________________________ ; Vancouver moves down to spot 7 and one municipality in the Toronto CMA (real; one city hall, not a faked StatsCan't census subdivision):Code:
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Municipality (CSD) 2001
Mississauga (ON) 612,925
_________________________________ Greater Toronto Area, 2001, Census Divisions and Census Subdivisions
The numbers preceding census division (CD, "county") names "01-" are the provincial population ranks for the CD in total population (highest to lowest) of the 49 CDs in Ontario identified by the 2001 Census.
The numbers following CD names are the totals for the CD/"country" municipality type (C=City, T=Town, TP=Township, R=Reserve)
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Total Urban Urban Rural Urban
Name Type Pop Pop %Pop Pop %Pop
01-Toronto Division 2,481,494 2,481,494 100.0 0 0.0
Toronto ................... C 2,481,494 2,481,494 100.0 0 0.0
02-Peel Regional Municipality 988,948 955,514 96.6 33,434 3.4
Mississauga ............... C 612,925 612,196 99.9 729 0.1
Brampton .................. C 325,428 316,259 97.2 9,169 2.8
25-74.9% Rural Population
Caledon ................... T 50,595 27,059 53.5 23,536 46.5
04-York Regional Municipality 729,254 679,611 93.2 49,643 6.8
Markham ................... T 208,615 204,422 98.0 4,193 2.0
Vaughan ................... C 182,022 177,918 97.7 4,104 2.3
Richmond Hill ............. T 132,030 130,654 99.0 1,376 1.0
Newmarket ................. T 65,788 65,788 100.0 0 0.0
Aurora .................... T 40,167 38,545 96.0 1,622 4.0
25-74.9% Rural Population
Georgina .................. T 39,263 27,621 70.3 11,642 29.7
East Gwillimbury .......... T 20,555 13,968 68.0 6,587 32.0
King ...................... TP 18,533 9,622 51.9 8,911 48.1
Whitchurch-Stouffville .... T 22,008 11,073 50.3 10,935 49.7
75-100% Rural Population
Chippewas of Georgina
Island First Nation ...... R 273 0 0.0 273 100.0
05-Durham Regional Municipality 506,901 450,792 88.9 56,109 11.1
Oshawa .................... C 139,051 136,585 98.2 2,466 1.8
Whitby .................... T 87,413 84,739 96.9 2,674 3.1
Pickering ................. C 87,139 82,637 94.8 4,502 5.2
Ajax ...................... T 73,753 72,509 98.3 1,244 1.7
Clarington ................ T 69,834 53,466 76.6 16,368 23.4
25-74.9% Rural Population
Uxbridge .................. TP 17,377 8,540 49.1 8,837 50.9
Brock ..................... TP 12,110 5,072 41.9 7,038 58.1
Scugog .................... TP 20,173 7,244 35.9 12,929 64.1
75-100% Rural Population
Mississaugas of
Scugog Island ............ R 51 0 0.0 51 100.0
10-Halton Regional Municipality 375,229 352,117 93.8 23,112 6.2
Burlington ................ C 150,836 146,997 97.5 3,839 2.5
Oakville .................. T 144,738 143,621 99.2 1,117 0.8
Halton Hills .............. T 48,184 39,277 81.5 8,907 18.5
25-74.9% Rural Population
Milton .................... T 31,471 22,222 70.6 9,249 29.4
MUNICIPALITY OF TORONTO* 2,481,494
REST OF GTA 2,600,332
TOTAL 5,081,826
_______________________________________________________________________ Greater Toronto Area with "Counties" Removed, 2001 Census
Sorted by census subdivision populaton totals
After each municipality name:
(T) = Toronto Division
(P) = Peel Regional Municipality
(Y) = York Regional Municipality
(D) = Durham Regional Municipality
(H) = Halton Regional Municipality
Code:
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Total Urban Urban Rural Urban
Name Type Pop Pop %Pop Pop %Pop
Toronto (T) ................ C 2,481,494 2,481,494 100.0 0 0.0
Mississauga (P)............. C 612,925 612,196 99.9 729 0.1
Brampton (P) ............... C 325,428 316,259 97.2 9,169 2.8
Markham (Y) ................ T 208,615 204,422 98.0 4,193 2.0
Vaughan (Y) ................ C 182,022 177,918 97.7 4,104 2.3
Burlington (H) ............. C 150,836 146,997 97.5 3,839 2.5
Oshawa (D) ................. C 139,051 136,585 98.2 2,466 1.8
Oakville (H) ............... T 144,738 143,621 99.2 1,117 0.8
Richmond Hill (Y) .......... T 132,030 130,654 99.0 1,376 1.0
Whitby (D) ................. T 87,413 84,739 96.9 2,674 3.1
Pickering (D) .............. C 87,139 82,637 94.8 4,502 5.2
Ajax (D) ................... T 73,753 72,509 98.3 1,244 1.7
Clarington (D) ............. T 69,834 53,466 76.6 16,368 23.4
Newmarket (Y) .............. T 65,788 65,788 100.0 0 0.0
Caledon (P) ................ T 50,595 27,059 53.5 23,536 46.5
Halton Hills (H) ........... T 48,184 39,277 81.5 8,907 18.5
Aurora (Y) ................. T 40,167 38,545 96.0 1,622 4.0
Georgina (Y) ............... T 39,263 27,621 70.3 11,642 29.7
Milton (H) ................. T 31,471 22,222 70.6 9,249 29.4
Whitchurch-Stouffville (Y).. T 22,008 11,073 50.3 10,935 49.7
East Gwillimbury (Y) ....... T 20,555 13,968 68.0 6,587 32.0
Scugog (D) ................. TP 20,173 7,244 35.9 12,929 64.1
King (Y) ................... TP 18,533 9,622 51.9 8,911 48.1
Uxbridge (D) ............... TP 17,377 8,540 49.1 8,837 50.9
Brock (D) .................. TP 12,110 5,072 41.9 7,038 58.1
Chippewas of Georgina
Island First Nation (Y) ... R 273 0 0.0 273 100.0
Mississaugas of
Scugog Isand (D) .......... R 51 0 0.0 51 100.0
MUNICIPALITY OF TORONTO 2,481,494
REST OF GTA 2,600,332
TOTAL 5,081,826
_______________________________________________________________________ First the 2001 populations so you can check them when they're merged into the "GTA thing":
Population of the Canadas, 2001
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__________________________________________ JURISDICTION 2001* POP% Ontario 11,410,046 38.02 Québec 7,237,479 24.12 British Columbia 3,907,738 13.02 Alberta 2,974,807 9.91 Manitoba 1,119,583 3.73 Saskatchewan 978,933 3.26 Nova Scotia 908,007 3.03 New Brunswick 729,498 2.43 Newfoundland & Labrador 512,930 1.71 Prince Edward Island 135,294 0.45 Northwest Territories 37,360 0.12 Yukon Territory 28,674 0.10 Nunavat Territory 26,745 0.09 TOTAL 30,007,094 100.00 _________________________________________ REGIONS 2001* POP% (ON+QC) Total 18,647,525 62.14 (ON+QC+BC) Total 22,555,263 75.17 Rest - (ON+QC) Total 11,359,569 37.86 Rest - (ON+QC+BC) Total 7,451,831 24.83 Prairie (AB+SK+MB) Total 5,073,323 16.91 (MB+SK) Total ^ to AB 2,098,516 6.99 Atlantica Total 2,285,729 7.62 Territory Total 92,779 0.31 __________________________________________
Source: Statistics Canada - Population and Dwelling Counts, for Canada, Provinces and Territories, 2001 and 1996 Censuses - 100% Data
See also: Statistics Canada - Show land area and population density counts for this table, Tables - Population and Dwelling Counts (links to just about everything), 2001 Census Index/Home Page (the link to the above is "Population and Dwelling Counts")
Now let's merge them in with the "GTA thing":
The Canadas and Greater Toronto Area Municipalities, 2001 Census
Provinces added, less "municipality" of Toronto for Ontario 1, less the population of the "GTA thing" (a political disaster due to the insults to the words "structures" and "systems" in these mess of "federations" due to the insults to the words "structures" [the medeival lines on political maps due to medieval ...] and "systems" [political and showing their worthlessness more and more every day, let alone year, let alone election year] for the population of Ontario 2
After each census subdivision name:
(T) = Toronto Division
(P) = Peel Regional Municipality
(Y) = York Regional Municipality
(D) = Durham Regional Municipality
(H) = Halton Regional Municipality
(DM) = Politically disorganized mess
(PR) = PROVINCES
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Total
Name Type Pop
ONTARIO 1 (less Toronto) DM 8,928,552
QUEBEC PR 7,237,479
ONTARIO 2 (less "GTA") DM 6,328,220
GTA ........................ DM 5,081,826
BRITISH COLUMBIA PR 3,907,738
ALBERTA PR 2,974,807
Toronto (T) ................ C 2,481,494
MANITOBA PR 1,119,583
SASKATCHEWAN PR 978,933
NOVA SCOTIA PR 908,007
NEW BRUNSWICK PR 729,498
Mississauga (P)............. C 612,925
NEWFOUNDLAND & LABRADOR PR 512,930
Brampton (P) ............... C 325,428
Markham (Y) ................ T 208,615
Vaughan (Y) ................ C 182,022
Burlington (H) ............. C 150,836
Oshawa (D) ................. C 139,051
Oakville (H) ............... T 144,738
PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND PR 135,294
Richmond Hill (Y) .......... T 132,030
Whitby (D) ................. T 87,413
Pickering (D) .............. C 87,139
Ajax (D) ................... T 73,753
Clarington (D) ............. T 69,834
Newmarket (Y) .............. T 65,788
Caledon (P) ................ T 50,595
Halton Hills (H) ........... T 48,184
Aurora (Y) ................. T 40,167
Georgina (Y) ............... T 39,263
NORTHWEST TERRITORIES PR 37,360
Milton (H) ................. T 31,471
YUKON TERRITORY PR 28,674
NUNAVAT TERRITORY PR 26,745
Whitchurch-Stouffville (Y).. T 22,008
East Gwillimbury (Y) ....... T 20,555
Scugog (D) ................. TP 20,173
King (Y) ................... TP 18,533
Uxbridge (D) ............... TP 17,377
Brock (D) .................. TP 12,110
Chippewas of Georgina
Island First Nation (Y) ... R 273
Mississaugas of
Scugog Isand (D) .......... R 51
MUNICIPALITY OF TORONTO 2,481,494
REST OF GTA 2,600,332
TOTAL 5,081,826
__________________________________________ The Toronto Police Service out-mans the Canadian Army and is paid for entirely out of what's left of the municipal taxes the real Toronto doesn't get stolen from it by the Ontario and confederate feds, on top of dumping their own (by law) responsiblities (our fair share of our own taxes back; $11 billion was taken last year alone from the "municipality" of Toronto.
As a province it would set its own everything and if PEI gets to be a province then the municipality of Toronto gets to be 12 provinces, with 12 provincial government premiers to show up to "First Minister's" meetings. Not one.
The Toronto Police Service has the best-paid cops in the Canadas but as per usual around unions, it's never enough. And it's not enough for this province-municipality.
Peel, York and Durham have police helicopters. Toronto "can't afford" the one it had for testing (at its own expense -- return our $11 billion then add $1 to it and you'll have actually paid some percentage of one cent into the City of Toronto. Big bad Alberta pays out over a billion dollars less in the only "taxes" that matter, never to be seen again, there, than the City of Toronto alone does, never to be seen again here), and we have to pay to rent police helicopters off of jurisdictions that pay out nowhere NEAR the taxes the municipality/county/City of Toronto does.
No one and nothing here compares itself to anything in the Canadas because there is no comparison to make -- as is. We don't compete with the rest of the Canadas, we don't have much interest in the rest of the Ontarios let alone the rest of the Canadas, due to that. We compete with comparable (difficult to find) city-regions in the U.S. and the population of this region is going to double in the next 25 years at best, which is no time to start building new hospitals, affordable housing, public transit, education and all other infrastructure and training -- while being plundered of municipal taxes on down to municipal fines that the Toronto Police Service has to be paid for to investigate, municipal courts (bylaws, fines on municipal licences) to try to prosecute -- and the Ontario feds even take that money.
They'll be stealing parking ticket "revenues" soon enough and the GTA has the lowest recovery rate on traffic tickets in general due to too few cops to show up to court and people who know it and fight traffic and parking tickets like nowhere else in the Canadas does. 41% of traffic/parking tickets are thrown out of court every year because we have cops who are supposed to be working behind desks out on patrols, with no time to show up to municipal traffic courts to testify -- wasting even more municipal taxes.
GET A FREAKING CLUE OUT THERE.
