Religion in Schools Getting Ugly


tay
#1
WTF! No religion in publicly funded schools.................


A heated debate over religion in schools saw one person thrown from a meeting at the Peel District School Board (PDSB) on Tuesday.

A revised operational procedure, allowing Muslim students to use their own sermons during Friday prayers, was received by trustees — sparking debate.

While the Muslim community applauded the decision, many other community members said religion has no place in schools.

The Peel school board brought forth a new procedure in the fall requiring Muslim students to choose from six pre-written sermons during their Friday prayers — meaning students could only use sermons approved by the board.

The Peel Board said this was to create consistency across its schools.

However, students said it violated their right to religious freedom.

“It’s easier to relate to another student, another peer, who can speak to the circumstances of other students who are of the same age and of the same context,” one student explained. “That’s far more inspiring to students who are listening than someone who may be older and not understanding the same context as a teenager lives in, in regular life.”

So the Peel Board reversed its decision, allowing Muslim students to once again write their own sermons, and presented it to trustees on Tuesday. But not before several community members voiced their concerns about accommodating religion in schools.

“The reason why I would strongly object to this is, by nature, Canada is a diverse country and there are different ethic groups that are here,” Krishna Kavoori, whose five-year-old child is in the Peel District School Board, explained. “If each one of us keeps asking for time to pray during the school day – there’s only five learning days – it’s going to be difficult.”

The meeting got so heated that one community member speaking out against religious accommodations in schools, was ejected for causing a disruption.

The disruption halted the meeting for about 15 minutes, but was quickly reconvened.

video

Debate over Muslim prayer heats up PDSB meeting - CityNews (external - login to view)
 
Curious Cdn
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#2  Top Rated Post
No religion in a publicly funded anything. If you need to pray in a "special place", build yourself that special place and pray there. We will not interfere with your right to pray in your special places if you do not interfere with our right to singularly secular public places.
 
Danbones
#3
Sure, but it might be OK to teach the theory of religion...
in between the classes on underwater basket weaving and sowing rainbows on teddybears
 
davesmom
+3
#4
Any form of religious education or prayer in public schools is either allowed or not allowed. Which is it?
One religious group cannot be given special privilege over another.
This is an outrage!
The Catholics have their own school system for religious reason. The Jews have their own school system for religious reason. If the Muslims want religion in schools, let them fund their own system too.
 
pgs
+1
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by davesmomView Post

Any form of religious education or prayer in public schools is either allowed or not allowed. Which is it?
One religious group cannot be given special privilege over another.
This is an outrage!
The Catholics have their own school system for religious reason. The Jews have their own school system for religious reason. If the Muslims want religion in schools, let them fund their own system too.

They already do have their own schools , but they want more control over all schools their children attend .

But every one is beautiful don't you know . But I am more beautiful than you .
 
Curious Cdn
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by davesmomView Post

Any form of religious education or prayer in public schools is either allowed or not allowed. Which is it?
One religious group cannot be given special privilege over another.
This is an outrage!
The Catholics have their own school system for religious reason. The Jews have their own school system for religious reason. If the Muslims want religion in schools, let them fund their own system too.

They already do. There is one at the corner of Trafalgar Road and Burnhamthorpe.
 
Jinentonix
+4
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by davesmomView Post

Any form of religious education or prayer in public schools is either allowed or not allowed. Which is it?
One religious group cannot be given special privilege over another.
This is an outrage!
The Catholics have their own school system for religious reason. The Jews have their own school system for religious reason. If the Muslims want religion in schools, let them fund their own system too.

In Ontario, the Catholic schools are now publicly funded and have been for a long time now. I didn't like it then and I like it even less now because it has set a precedent for other religious schools to be publicly funded. The taxpayer already publicly funds their religious institutions by taking up the fiscal slack on tax-free properties that religious buildings sit upon.

Our publicly funded schools are supposed to be for actual education, not used as ideological indoctrination centres for politics or religion.
 
Danbones
#8
I grew up in the only town in ontario, which at the time, had the only catholic public school board
catechism class sucked
I always like the name of the church though:
lol
St. Annes church
just like the motorcycle club
 
taxslave
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by JinentonixView Post

In Ontario, the Catholic schools are now publicly funded and have been for a long time now. I didn't like it then and I like it even less now because it has set a precedent for other religious schools to be publicly funded. The taxpayer already publicly funds their religious institutions by taking up the fiscal slack on tax-free properties that religious buildings sit upon.

Our publicly funded schools are supposed to be for actual education, not used as ideological indoctrination centres for politics or religion.

All private schools in BC receive government funding.
 
Curious Cdn
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

All private schools in BC receive government funding.

They do in Quebec, too.
 
selfsame
#11
God's enemy dislikes the religion of course; I don't encourage teaching the religion of the idolatry or the enthusiasm; but teaching the general rules in a country like Canada is good;

E.g. teaching the Ten Commandments which are agreed upon by all the heavenly religions.

The first and the most important of all the commandments pertains to God's glorifying and praising.
The second is to respect and honor the parents.
The third: Do not kill
then do not steal
Then do not lie in your witness or testimony ...etc.
These are excellent teachings.

In addition, God's religion in general enjoins the good morale and the good manners ... in spite of the shouting and lies of the enemies of God: the atheists, the enthusiastics and the evil-livers: the indecent and corrupt people who want to live in ungodly way: of course they dislike the religion of God.
 
Curious Cdn
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by selfsameView Post

God's enemy dislikes the religion of course; I don't encourage teaching the religion of the idolatry or the enthusiasm; but teaching the general rules in a country like Canada is good;

E.g. teaching the Ten Commandments which are agreed upon by all the heavenly religions.

The first and the most important of all the commandments pertains to God's glorifying and praising.
The second is to respect and honor the parents.
The third: Do not kill
then do not steal
Then do not lie in your witness or testimony ...etc.
These are excellent teachings.

In addition, God's religion in general enjoins the good morale and the good manners ... in spite of the shouting and lies of the enemies of God: the atheists, the enthusiastics and the evil-livers: the indecent and corrupt people who want to live in ungodly way: of course they dislike the religion of God.

Well, there's good religions and then there are filty, barbaric and bloodthirsty ones .....
 
tay
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by selfsameView Post

God's enemy dislikes the religion of course; I don't encourage teaching the religion of the idolatry or the enthusiasm; but teaching the general rules in a country like Canada is good;

E.g. teaching the Ten Commandments which are agreed upon by all the heavenly religions.

The first and the most important of all the commandments pertains to God's glorifying and praising.
The second is to respect and honor the parents.
The third: Do not kill
then do not steal
Then do not lie in your witness or testimony ...etc.
These are excellent teachings.

In addition, God's religion in general enjoins the good morale and the good manners ... in spite of the shouting and lies of the enemies of God: the atheists, the enthusiastics and the evil-livers: the indecent and corrupt people who want to live in ungodly way: of course they dislike the religion of God.



I'm good with including religions in the context of History......


wwwyoutubecomwatchvx79MW1gWtJ8

 
Cannuck
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by davesmomView Post

This is an outrage!

Oh FFS, we'll just add it to already extensive list of things you're outraged about.
 
damngrumpy
#15
Soon the religious folks will demand self indoctrination sights.
Seriously religion is something that should not be in schools,
but yes as someone suggested the theory of religion is alright
in a history class. We open ourselves to which religion if we go
down that road to them all would take all day
 
darkbeaver
#16
Vote for Jesus or I'll kill you.
 
Danbones
#17
that's OK
with that bunch you have to die first so you can have eternal life
...
 
tay
#18
Brampton Mayor Linda Jeffrey wrote a letter Thursday supporting recent changes to the way Muslim students are allowed to pray in public schools and challenged the “misinformation and hateful speech” of some who questioned the local school board’s decision.

In January, the Peel District School Board lifted its restriction on what prayers were used by its Muslim students during Friday prayers.

They are now allowed to pick their own prayers and sermons rather than pick from six selections pre-approved by the school board.

At the Jan. 14 meeting where the change was approved, several speakers came forward to question why Muslim students were allowed to pray in public schools at all.

Head of Canadian Hindu Advocacy Ron Banerjee told trustees that allowing students to pick their own prayers to be used during school time “may violate Canadian values,” and later referred to Islam as a “poison.”

Another man, Kevin Johnston, who runs a website called the Freedom Report, wrote on YouTube after the meeting that the PDSB had “once again committed treason by allowing Muslims to infiltrate Peel region public schools and spread their message of hate and death.”

“Canada First,” a group opposed to the school board’s decision, is planning a “Walk to Oppose Religion in Schools” for this Saturday morning at Celebration Square near Square One in Mississauga.

The group says it also opposes Motion 103, a non-binding motion tabled in the House of Commons by Mississauga MP Iqra Khalid that denounces Islamophobia but has drawn criticism from conservatives who say it places too much emphasis on Islam and unfairly excludes adherents of other faiths from proper recognition

Brampton mayor supports new rules for Muslim prayers in local schools | CP24.com (external - login to view)
 
Remington1
#19
Well maybe when another religious group surpasses Canada 38.7% Catholics population, they can replace the cross on the Catholic schools. The constitution protects Catholic schools, I think overturning it might be difficult.
 
petros
#20
Per pupil funding means the money follows the student.
 
tay
#21
A Toronto-area school board says it “cannot continue” to engage with the public on the subject of religious accommodation, following a board meeting that devolved into what a spokesperson described as “clear hate speech” and included someone ripping up the Quran.

A group of enraged parents behind a months-long campaign to end the accommodation of Jummah — a congregational Muslim prayer held on Friday afternoons — were cleared out of the Peel Region District School Board meeting, in Mississauga, on Thursday.

A police and security presence was heavy from the start of the meeting, which quickly went off the rails, after the board announced they wouldn’t respond to a petition demanding the end of the accommodation, which has gathered 600 signatures, until their next meeting.

As one trustee attempted to discuss retirements, a parent sitting in the front row began making retching noises. Others, already riled up because the start of the event was delayed, followed, screaming that they were being disrespected as taxpayers.

Ron Banerjee, head of the hardline anti-Muslim group Canadian Hindu Advocacy, was in the crowd, as were tens of his supporters, mostly South Asian and white parents.

Have you read this book?” screamed one woman, holding up a copy of what appeared to be the Quran. “You would be shocked. Read it, so you know what’s happening.”

“We don’t want religion in schools,” bellowed another woman. “Leave our kids alone.” In response to one parent who attempted to shout down those in the room who were “spewing hate,” she said she didn’t hate anyone and was opposed to the presence of any religion in schools.

But when a man sitting a few rows above her said “People died today because of that book,” invoking the London terrorist attack on Wednesday — which left three people dead and for which the Islamic State has claimed responsibility — she joined him, yelling, “You guys killed four people today.”

One man ripped up a copy of the Quran and threw its pages towards the front of the room, and another person walked on the pages. They remained scattered all over the floor for the remainder of the meeting.

For several minutes, the trustees waited for the crowd to settle down, but parents, who were warned that they would be kicked out if they continued to disrupt the meeting, would not relent, prompting the board to pack up their things and file out of the room. As they walked out, a group of parents started singing the national anthem.

Board chair Janet MacDougald said the board was “appalled as a Board by the anti-Muslim rhetoric and prejudice we have seen on social media, read in emails, and heard first-hand at our board meetings.”

“It has caused some of our students to feel unsafe, to feel targeted. We must not allow hatred toward any faith group to flourish,” she said. “We will not stand for that.”

The school board issued a fact sheet on Wednesday in response to “misinformation and errors that have been shared in the community and on social media,” in which they explained that Friday prayer has no impact on other students, as they “try to find a time when students are already out of class—lunch for example—or if in class, 15 minutes at the start or finish of the class,” and that students are supervised by a volunteer staff member in an already open space, thus resulting in no undue hardship.

A few weeks ago, Brampton mayor Linda Jeffrey condemned the campaign against the accommodation, calling it “hateful.”

“Muslim students require a time to pray that may happen during a school day, and we must respect that — as we do any other religious requirement,” she wrote in a statement. “Letting Muslim students pray for 20 minutes in an empty space with the supervision of volunteer staff does not cause any financial hardship.”

video of the meeting

https://news.vice.com/story/the-qura...in-peel-region (external - login to view)
 
DaSleeper
+1
#22
And they are also exempt from the new sex-ed classes....
on religious grounds
Even music classes for Christ's sake....

 
White_Unifier
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by tayView Post

WTF! No religion in publicly funded schools.................


A heated debate over religion in schools saw one person thrown from a meeting at the Peel District School Board (PDSB) on Tuesday.

A revised operational procedure, allowing Muslim students to use their own sermons during Friday prayers, was received by trustees — sparking debate.

While the Muslim community applauded the decision, many other community members said religion has no place in schools.

The Peel school board brought forth a new procedure in the fall requiring Muslim students to choose from six pre-written sermons during their Friday prayers — meaning students could only use sermons approved by the board.

The Peel Board said this was to create consistency across its schools.

However, students said it violated their right to religious freedom.

“It’s easier to relate to another student, another peer, who can speak to the circumstances of other students who are of the same age and of the same context,” one student explained. “That’s far more inspiring to students who are listening than someone who may be older and not understanding the same context as a teenager lives in, in regular life.”

So the Peel Board reversed its decision, allowing Muslim students to once again write their own sermons, and presented it to trustees on Tuesday. But not before several community members voiced their concerns about accommodating religion in schools.

“The reason why I would strongly object to this is, by nature, Canada is a diverse country and there are different ethic groups that are here,” Krishna Kavoori, whose five-year-old child is in the Peel District School Board, explained. “If each one of us keeps asking for time to pray during the school day – there’s only five learning days – it’s going to be difficult.”

The meeting got so heated that one community member speaking out against religious accommodations in schools, was ejected for causing a disruption.

The disruption halted the meeting for about 15 minutes, but was quickly reconvened.

video

Debate over Muslim prayer heats up PDSB meeting - CityNews (external - login to view)

A sermon crosses a major line.

I'm for providing a prayer room or prayer time between classes.

I could support keeping a child home from school on a religious holiday (after, Christians get Sundays off).

I can even support teaching the Bible, the Qur'an or any other sacred text as literature since it would encourage students to think for themselves, try to understand the book for themselves, and not impose a particular interpretation onto them.

A sermon promotes ecclesiasticism, the idea that a person cannot read a book and come to his own understanding if it but requires a 'scholar' to interpret it for him.

That is a very dangerous mindset to promote. In some religions, the ecclesiastical class holds way too much power over its flick as it is. And when that class is fanatical, the flick will follow like sheep if they are trained to do so, to the point that the interpretations if the ecclesiastical class hold more weight than their sacred texts themselves.

Any 'sermon' should be replaced with recitation of quotes from the writings and maybe an open discussion of their meaning on an equal footing so as to promote the ability to think independently.
 
Johnnny
+1
#24
Just so that i dont look like racist i suppourt the Hindus on this one.
 
petros
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by JohnnnyView Post

Just so that i dont look like racist i suppourt the Hindus on this one.

How can you not?
 
tay
#26
The Peel School Board published a Fact Sheet


www.peelschools.org/aboutus/e...ey%20Facts.pdf (external - login to view)
 
Jinentonix
#27
Quote:

“It has caused some of our students to feel unsafe, to feel targeted. We must not allow hatred toward any faith group to flourish,” she said. “We will not stand for that.”

Jesus H. Christ on a crutch, that's one of the reasons these brain dead progtard types banned prayer in public schools in the first goddam place. F*ck!!

This is just pathetic. The same logic that was used to ban Christian prayer in public schools is now being used to force the acceptance of Islamic prayer in public schools. Talk about a complete cognitive disconnect.

Think about it for a moment. They've gone from "We must ban Christian prayer in our public schools to prevent those of other religions and non-religious people from being targeted", to "We must force acceptance of Islamic prayer in our public schools to prevent those of a certain religion from being targeted".
 
Angstrom
#28
Self destruction is so entertaining. Islam's culture is superior, to our culture anyways. This is for the best.
 
pgs
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by JinentonixView Post

Jesus H. Christ on a crutch, that's one of the reasons these brain dead progtard types banned prayer in public schools in the first goddam place. F*ck!!

This is just pathetic. The same logic that was used to ban Christian prayer in public schools is now being used to force the acceptance of Islamic prayer in public schools. Talk about a complete cognitive disconnect.

Think about it for a moment. They've gone from "We must ban Christian prayer in our public schools to prevent those of other religions and non-religious people from being targeted", to "We must force acceptance of Islamic prayer in our public schools to prevent those of a certain religion from being targeted".

It is called pandering .
 
Remington1
#30
I never attended public school and neither will the kids. With JT at the wheel, there will be much much more prejudices against Christians in favour of Islam. Motion M103 is not the start, it is just the most public one and this one involved our Government. The disproportionate number of Muslim vs other groups does beg to question why? Parents in public school are complaining but doing nothing. Try this BS in Catholic schools and at least the parents will try to stop it. No one wants a big Irish guy in their face.
 
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