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#1May 23rd, 2011
Province to axe jobs



The Dalton McGuinty government is set to eliminate hundreds of Ontario public sector positions over the summer.
While it intends to use measures such as attrition, a government source said some people will find themselves out of work.
The first notices are starting to trickle out and the pink slips will continue until the fall, the source said.
Those facing job losses are members of the Ontario Public Service (OPS) — people directly employed by the provincial government.
OPP officers, nurses and other people working for provincial bodies are not affected.
In his spring budget speech, Finance Minister Dwight Duncan said he intended to make government “more streamlined,” while protecting public services.


http://www.torontosun.com/2011/05/22...ce-to-axe-jobs

Oh oh!
 
petros
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May 23rd, 2011
Looks like it's time to buy another rental property.
 
taxslave
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May 23rd, 2011
Hopefully the feds will now do the same thing. Start with the thousands of DFO staff in Ottawa that don't do their jobs or even have a real job to do.
 
The Old Medic
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May 23rd, 2011
Way to go. Let's get people off of the "public tit", and make them really work for a living.
 
petros
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May 23rd, 2011
Where? At Wal-Mart?
 
Tonington
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May 23rd, 2011
They should reinvest the savings in R&D.
 
petros
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May 23rd, 2011
The saving will go to cover the pension funds GoldmanSucks and the likes ****ed them out of.
 
lone wolf
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May 23rd, 2011
Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

They should reinvest the savings in R&D.

What savings? Golden Handshakes cost a fortune....
 
Tonington
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May 23rd, 2011
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

What savings? Golden Handshakes cost a fortune....

Well, not even MP's in Ottawa get pensions valued at 100% of their earnings. So if the province cuts the amount of full time employees, and even if they get sweet pension deals, it's going to amount to savings going forward.
 
lone wolf
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May 23rd, 2011
Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

Well, not even MP's in Ottawa get pensions valued at 100% of their earnings. So if the province cuts the amount of full time employees, and even if they get sweet pension deals, it's going to amount to savings going forward.

It's not the pensions. It's the severance packages....
 
JLM
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May 23rd, 2011
Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

Well, not even MP's in Ottawa get pensions valued at 100% of their earnings. So if the province cuts the amount of full time employees, and even if they get sweet pension deals, it's going to amount to savings going forward.

Yeah, false savings................"penny wise and pound foolish". $1 for some work beats the hell out of 75 cents for no work!
 
weaselwords
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May 23rd, 2011
Hey as long as its "attrition" it will be real savings.
What I'm wondering is how many of those remaining managers & supervisors are going to their pay grades accelerate thus mitigating any realized savings.
 
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May 23rd, 2011
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

It's not the pensions. It's the severance packages....

Yeah, so if all of the employees who leave were working for 20 years, and their salary was $60,000, then they would each get a little more than $23,000 in severence. The government will be spending less, ergo savings.
 
lone wolf
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May 23rd, 2011
The government will be spending less on internal payroll and more on private sector contract services who know as much about government services as they do about servicing Skilsaws. I'm not defending goverment paper pushers. Lard knows there is a lot of waste and duplicity in the confusion they create to look busy. I'm suggesting the savings are more likely to come in the people who won't get service....
 
PoliticalNick
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May 23rd, 2011
This is just a sign of what is yet to come. Once Harpo gets his conservative policies in full swing you will start to see mass layoffs everywhere. He has fooled everyone into thinking the economy is recovering while in reality it is still sinking. There will be many federal govt jobs disappear over the coming year and many, many more in the private sector.

Everyone who believed his lies are in for a rude awakening.
 
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May 23rd, 2011
Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

This is just a sign of what is yet to come. Once Harpo gets his conservative policies in full swing you will start to see mass layoffs everywhere. He has fooled everyone into thinking the economy is recovering while in reality it is still sinking. There will be many federal govt jobs disappear over the coming year and many, many more in the private sector.

Everyone who believed his lies are in for a rude awakening.

um.... McGuinty is the LIBERAL Premier of Ontario....
 
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May 23rd, 2011
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

um.... McGuinty is the LIBERAL Premier of Ontario....

Ummm, so what. I am saying it is a result of a failing economy and Harpo's policies will not save it. Any govt will be forced to find savings as the economy gets worse, so will private sector businesses. Ontario is just the first we are seeing take this action but it will probably start happening all over before next spring.
 
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May 23rd, 2011
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Where? At Wal-Mart?

One reason all we have in the private sector is Walmart is because with all the inefficient use of public sector funds, many can't afford much more than Walmart. Spend public funds more wisely, then many will be able to upgrade their purchases from Walmart.

Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Yeah, false savings................"penny wise and pound foolish". $1 for some work beats the hell out of 75 cents for no work!

You do have a point there. If these golden handshakes are inevitable, then I'd say cut jobs via attrition and find valuable productive work for the rest if possible or, if not, then maybe it's still woth the golden handshake. Or alternatively, in excahnge for severance packages, we help them find comparable work in the private sector if they want, and once we'd found it then we offer it to them as an alternative to severance packages. Or who knows. There are decisions to make either way.
 
Machjo
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May 23rd, 2011
It has nothing to do with what party is in power. Government needs to use money responsibly.
While where at it, how about a Swedish-style voucher system:

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JLM
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May 23rd, 2011
Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

Yeah, so if all of the employees who leave were working for 20 years, and their salary was $60,000, then they would each get a little more than $23,000 in severence. The government will be spending less, ergo savings.

$23 Grand severence, yuk, I never could understand the concept of people being paid for not working. That didn't happen (at as common knowledge) 50 years ago. I could understand severence as long as the employee pays into every month.
 
JLM
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May 23rd, 2011
Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

It is part of the labor laws that basically make unions un-required nowadays. It is there to stop employers getting rid of people for no good reason and give some job security. No severance is required if you are let go for just cause so I am all for it.


Nothing of the sort. I posted regarding the economy and the federal govt's economic policy. You decided to interpret it as something else.

Did you have anything intelligent to add to the conversation???

That is a misnomer- nobody in the world is owed a job. If I'm hiring someone to do something, the perogative should be up to me when I no longer require the services. Now if I'm working at something producing 100 widgets an hour and the employer replaces me with someone else (girl friend, brother in law, local hooker) who only produces 80, then there is a valid complaint.
 
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May 23rd, 2011
Quote: Originally Posted by The Old MedicView Post

Way to go. Let's get people off of the "public tit", and make them really work for a living.

Hey, we're talking Ontarions here,,,,eh
These people were born with a culture of entitlements!
Take them off the public tits, and what,,,do you want them to starve,,eh!!

The Americans gave them the auto industry because they could not produce their own car!!
In return they called them bastards and morons,,,eh,,, heh heh!!
Yeah, it just goes to show you how grateful these people are.
And when they screwed up the auto industry, guess what,, the Can gov baled them out!!! Can you believe it???

Ah, yes, these people expect all of Canada to just keep supporting them.
 
Machjo
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May 23rd, 2011
Quote: Originally Posted by DurryView Post

Hey, we're talking Ontarions here,,,,eh
These people were born with a culture of entitlements!
Take them off the public tits, and what,,,do you want them to starve,,eh!!

The Americans gave them the auto industry because they could not produce their own car!!
In return they called them bastards and morons,,,eh,,, heh heh!!
Yeah, it just goes to show you how grateful these people are.
And when they screwed up the auto industry, guess what,, the Can gov baled them out!!! Can you believe it???

Ah, yes, these people expect all of Canada to just keep supporting them.

Er... I'm an Ontarian myself. Please feel free to quote me where I've ever expressed a sence of entitlement. Sure I belive in free public education for all, but one would think that's a basic in a developed economy. Beyond that though, again, show me where I've ever expressed a sense of entitlement.

Heck, on many fronts, I think the Conservative Party of Canada spends too much, and I also support school vouchers for Ontario so as to let parents decide. I also opposed bailing out the auto industry by the way. So again, where is this supposed sense of entitlement?
 
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May 23rd, 2011
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

Er... I'm an Ontarian myself. Please feel free to quote me where I've ever expressed a sence of entitlement. Sure I belive in free public education for all, but one would think that's a basic in a developed economy. Beyond that though, again, show me where I've ever expressed a sense of entitlement.

Heck, on many fronts, I think the Conservative Party of Canada spends too much, and I also support school vouchers for Ontario so as to let parents decide. I also opposed bailing out the auto industry by the way. So again, where is this supposed sense of entitlement?

Oh, so many exampled I could give you, more than I have time right now pecking on my iPod in Stbks.
You have probably lived too long in Ont to realize how the other parts of Canada work.

aAnyways, in the interest of time, I'll give you just one irrating eg.

Ont always votes (or almost always) Liberal.
The Libs always instill laws and policies that are good for Ont. The hell with what the rest if the country needs or wants, please Ont and you'll stay in power. The rest of you just suck it up!!

See, I have a right to bitch and complain, it's my right as well !!
 
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May 23rd, 2011
Quote: Originally Posted by DurryView Post

Oh, so many exampled I could give you, more than I have time right now pecking on my iPod in Stbks.
You have probably lived too long in Ont to realize how the other parts of Canada work.

aAnyways, in the interest of time, I'll give you just one irrating eg.

Ont always votes (or almost always) Liberal.
The Libs always instill laws and policies that are good for Ont. The hell with what the rest if the country needs or wants, please Ont and you'll stay in power. The rest of you just suck it up!!

See, I have a right to bitch and complain, it's my right as well !!

Of course you have a right to present yourself as an idiot: I never said that was not your right.

What I'm saying is that you can't assume all people are the same based on how the plurality vote. Guess what! I never voted for my local candidate. I used to live in China too, and possibly to your absolute amazement, I'd met Chinese Christians, Chinese Muslims, Chinese Budhists, and Chinese who adhered to ideologies otehr than communism.

It's pretty damned narrow-minded to assume that a government reflects all of the people under its jurisdiction. The government is the government, and the people are the people.
 
Machjo
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May 23rd, 2011
Another example. The government of Ontario has chosen to defend discriminatory educaiton laws with regards to religion. Again, that does not mean all Ontarians support it. Sure it means a plurality of Ontarians support it, but that's still not all Ontarians.
 
petros
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May 23rd, 2011
I can't wait to hear all the bitching those thinking this is great when it takes forever to have to deal with govt in any way shape or "form".
 
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May 23rd, 2011
Enough with the thread-hijacking! This is directed at everyone involved. Numerous posts were removed that had nothing to do with the topic at hand, but were about two posters bickering back and forth.

A different post was removed due to a personal attack.
 
Liberalman
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May 23rd, 2011
The problem about contracting out government services is that the contracts gets picked up by their friends
 
JLM
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May 23rd, 2011
Quote: Originally Posted by shadowshivView Post

Enough with the thread-hijacking! This is directed at everyone involved. Numerous posts were removed that had nothing to do with the topic at hand, but were about two posters bickering back and forth.

A different post was removed due to a personal attack.

Oh, that's what happened, I got notification of all these neat posts, which I was going to issue greenies for but when I went to find the posts I couldn't locate them. Lone Wolf has a greenie coming!
 

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