Concern grows over Bears

Concern grows over Bears

CDNBear

#31

Re: Concern grows over Bears

May 22nd, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy

But people have to realize that most bear problems are caused by people.

I'd go so far as to say all.

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There is a way to live in peace with bears but people get all bent out of shape for nothing (most of the time) when they see bears.

Yep, I agree. I was raised in Bear territory, my kids and wife are Bear savvy. I'm not fearful of Bears. I'm afraid that incidents will be met with a kneejerk reaction. Resulting in culls, or poison baiting.

More than just Bears eat the bait.

Which is why I support the spring Bear hunt. An injection of approx $50,000,000 into the Ontario economy. Decreasing the Bear population enough to cut back on nuisance Bears. And directly funding of wildlife management programs, from funds gathered for licensing.

It's win, win, win.

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Fear is caused by ignorance and is the cause of most of the unnecessary deaths on both sides.

Agreed.

Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo

In the mean time, if that urban environment neighbours a bear population, then why not start to build a fence around that urban area. The two are not necessarily contradictory. The purpose of the fence would be to reduce the need to hunt the bears in the first place, while the 'urban bear hunting license' would serve to deal with bears who do manage to enter the urban area.

Then you'd have people like EAO crying that the Bears are in concentration camps.

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I'm vegan myself, and do believe we ought to restrain from killing anomals whenever possible. However, I still believe that when it comes to a choice between protecting people or animals, then people trump animals.

I eat meat, I eat what I kill.

Machjo

#32

Re: Concern grows over Bears

May 22nd, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy

Bears are only over populated where human development has encroached on their territory. People are too stupid to keep their garbage sealed properly and pick their fruit trees before the bears smell the ripened fruit and come in to feast. What is really funny and sad is a place like New Denver, the hot bed of environmentalists (Valhalla Wilderness Society) more bears get killed every year because people just let their fruit fall to the ground. The human population is only around 400 but about 35 bears get killed every year right in town. The Wildlife Branch won't even let people eat problem bears. You can't even keep a deer that jumps out in front of your vehicle and wrecks your car. I hate seeing meat go to waste, if even for dog food.

As for encroachment, in most towns any candidate proposing urban intensification will never become a city councilor, let alone mayor. While I can certainly agree with urban intensification myself, no candidate I've ever voted for has yet won.

Now as for not being allowed to eat the bear you killed, that's just plain stupid. I can certainly see restrictions on killing bears on compassionate grounds, but once it's dead, it's dead.

CDNBear

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#33

Re: Concern grows over Bears

May 22nd, 2011

-- Bad CUBert
The topic is Bears cubby. If you need me to explain anything to you, just ask.

I'm sure it might be a little embarrassing having simple concepts explained to you, but how else will you be able to keep up?

Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo

As for encroachment, in most towns any candidate proposing urban intensification will never become a city councilor, let alone mayor. While I can certainly agree with urban intensification myself, no candidate I've ever voted for has yet won.

Georgina's Mayor, did just that. Got himself re-elected too.

-- Bad CUBert
Still don't understand the topic eh.

Sorry cubby, if you don't ask for help, you'll never learn. If you learn, you might stop lashing out like a child.

That would be nice.

petros

#34

Re: Concern grows over Bears

May 22nd, 2011

I'm going to print and frame that one for the basement bathroom.

gerryh

#35

Re: Concern grows over Bears

May 22nd, 2011

I don't see where the problem is, if there's an over population problem, leave out food in the fall for the females that is treated to cause them to abort the cubs. Over population problem solved.

Machjo

#36

Re: Concern grows over Bears

May 22nd, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear

Then you'd have people like EAO crying that the Bears are in concentration camps.

Well, seeing that the purpose of the fences would not be to keep the bears in, but rather keep them out, then would it not be more akin to keeping people in concentration camps?

Of course people could leave town via walking paths, cycling paths, roads, railways, flights, etc. But seeing that those would all involve high traffic areas, It's highly unlikely a bear would enter that way. End even if the odd bear did tner town via a local road leading out of town at 3.00 am, then we'd deal with it. But that would then be a rare occurrence indeed.

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I eat meat, I eat what I kill.

And I admire that. Of course even among vegans there may be differences of opinion. In my view, eating meat can be a necessity in some more isolated communities or communities with harsher environments not conducive to agriculture. So for the most part I'm less concerned with whether an animal is killed than I am with the way it's treated. Sure not killing the animal at all is the ideal when it's possible. Otherwise, killing an animal in a humane way, and only when necessary, while showing it some reverence, and eating it if it's edible, and not letting it go to waste, is really all I'd ask. And my guess is that with the exception of a few wackos out there, most hunters and fishermen, etc. do treat the animals they kill with appropriate compassion and reverence.

CDNBear

#37

Re: Concern grows over Bears

May 22nd, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo

Well, seeing that the purpose of the fences would not be to keep the bears in, but rather keep them out, then would it not be more akin to keeping people in concentration camps?

You'd have to ask EAO. I understand it the way you do, but according to some, it's completely different in the ME.

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Of course people could leave town via walking paths, cycling paths, roads, railways, flights, etc. But seeing that those would all involve high traffic areas, It's highly unlikely a bear would enter that way. End even if the odd bear did tner town via a local road leading out of town at 3.00 am, then we'd deal with it. But that would then be a rare occurrence indeed.

At 7pm, on Dalton, not 2 minutes from my house, there was a Bear in the middle of the street.

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And my guess is that with the exception of a few wackos out there, most hunters and fishermen, etc. do treat the animals they kill with appropriate compassion and reverence.

The good and ethical ones anyways.

Machjo

#38

Re: Concern grows over Bears

May 22nd, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear

Georgina's Mayor, did just that. Got himself re-elected too.

You've got yourself some smart voters there then.

Here in Ottawa, the city's urban geographical boundaries are way too large for the population we have. Sure we have a large population as far as Canadian cities go, but not nearly large enough to warrant the urban boundaries we currently have! Sure we don't have any bear problems, though we've had minor deer problems in the past.

But generally speaking, believe it or not, most voters in Ottawa would like to see the urban boundary expanded even more. I mean seriously, I shower every morning, sometimes even in the evening, wear underarm deodorant, wear clean clothes at all times, change socks daily, brush my teach, floss, shave, put on aftershave, comb my hair, trim my nails, get my hair cut at least 4 tomes a year, and am quiet to boot. I mean seriously, how much distance do Ottawa residents need between us?!

petros

#39

Re: Concern grows over Bears

May 22nd, 2011

There was a moose that wintered in the park downtown last winter.

CDNBear

#40

Re: Concern grows over Bears

May 22nd, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo

You've got yourself some smart voters there then.

A lot of the people I know, call him a crook.

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Here in Ottawa, the city's urban geographical boundaries are way too large for the population we have. Sure we have a large population as far as Canadian cities go, but not nearly large enough to warrant the urban boundaries we currently have! Sure we don't have any bear problems, though we've had minor deer problems in the past.

Past? Minor? During the rut, the 416 looks like a Kabul street after an IED.

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But generally speaking, believe it or not, most voters in Ottawa would like to see the urban boundary expanded even more. I mean seriously, I shower every morning, sometimes even in the evening, wear underarm deodorant, wear clean clothes at all times, change socks daily, brush my teach, floss, shave, put on aftershave, comb my hair, trim my nails, get my hair cut at least 4 tomes a year, and am quiet to boot. I mean seriously, how much distance do Ottawa residents need between us?!

I hear ya.

Machjo

#41

Re: Concern grows over Bears

May 22nd, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

There was a moose that wintered in the park downtown last winter.

In Ottawa? I can't remember, but possibly. Again, the more spread out and suburban a city is, the more:

1. it encroaches on wildlife habitats, thus running the risk that wildlife will overflow into town, and
2. the easier it is for wildlife to roam owing to the low population density and thus opportunities to roam freely without being spotted.

A city committed to urban intensificaiton would:

1. reduce the encroachment on wildlife habitats in the first place, and
2. Make if more difficult for wildlife to roam into town so freely without being spotted owing to the higher population density in town.

petros

#42

Re: Concern grows over Bears

May 22nd, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo

In Ottawa? I can't remember, but possibly. Again, the more spread out and suburban a city is, the more:

1. it encroaches on wildlife habitats, thus running the risk that wildlife will overflow into town, and
2. the easier it is for wildlife to roam owing to the low population density and thus opportunities to roam freely without being spotted.

A city committed to urban intensificaiton would:

1. reduce the encroachment on wildlife habitats in the first place, and
2. Make if more difficult for wildlife to roam into town so freely without being spotted owing to the higher population density in town.

Nope. Regina

YouTube - TWO 2 MOOSE FOUND IN WASCANA PARK IN DOWNTOWN REGINA TODAY

Apparently one died this spring when they tried to move them.

SLM

#43

Re: Concern grows over Bears

May 23rd, 2011

I live in London and around this time last year, we had an incident where the local police had to kill a young male black bear that had wandered into town. What an uproar there was over that one! And I do remember thinking at the time "If they hadn't and a child had been injured how loud would the uproar have been then?" London is not exactly in the middle of bear country, in fact I believe I recall hearing that they had speculated that he had wandered down from the Bruce Pennisula which has to be 200km away. While this is the first instance that I'm aware of where a bear was spotted in London, I do know that there have been reports of them in some of the smaller towns around here.

Now, I'm neither a hunter nor a wildlife expert but it seems to me that if we are having incidences, increasing incidences at that, of bears wandering into populated areas that are away from their usual natural habitats, something must be out of balance somewhere. This is a bad situation for both the people and for the bears.

I'd support a return of the regulated hunt for practical purposes. To my way of thinking, hunting is and should be practical. (I personally detest trophy hunting, killing for sport is, in my humble opinion, wrong.) But hunting for the purpose of acquiring meat and skins is far more natural than the factory farmed meats that turn up in the grocery stores.

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