Quote: Originally Posted by Unforgiven
Good point and thanks for the opportunity to clarify.
The study say heavy use by adolescents through to early adulthood who have a propensity for psychosis may have an earlier onset that they would otherwise.
So when you take that into context, someone from say 12 to 19 who has a family history of mental illness has a higher risk of developing some form of mental illness earlier than they would. It's coming, not if but when.
Heavy use meaning many joints per week consistently over a long period of time.
I know of kids who have been smoking Cannabis for years and they are just young adults now. Only a few that are heavy users. None that have a history of mental illness. For them, it is harmless as it is for me and most other people who use Cannabis regularly.
So it is harmless if used responsibly which is to say under a regulated and moderate way.
But that doesn't mean that there is no possible way to hurt yourself if you go out of your way to use it and hurt yourself with it.
Agreed, anything abused or used in excess will in turn abuse you..... just like over eating...... but where does this apply to your previous argument about this particular church's sacrament? If, say children, were to smoke weed once a week as part of their sacrament in the church, how does that equate to your above, regarding many joints per week, constantly for a long period of time?
Many glasses of wine per week, constantly for a long period of time will produce the same amount of issues, if not more.
I don't know, I don't go to Church anymore. When I did when I was younger, I was offered the sacrament along with everyone else I assume and it seems to me that children took it as well. Understand that it was many many years ago.
Same for me.... it's been over a decade since the last time I went to church on a regular basis, minus the odd midnight mass for christmas...... but based on my memory, I don't remember too many kids taking the wine..... for whatever reason..... but even if they did and even if they were allowed due to it being a sacrament and part of their religion, then the use of marijuana should fall under the same line of thought.
Now I'm not saying I'd be all for children smoking pot, even for religious reasons, but then again, it's not my religion..... but even still, if it was like one puff equal to one sip..... then no harm would be done..... I doubt they'd even get a buzz from a puff. I need at least half a joint myself just to get a buzz.
It would seem to me that if you are making a religious connection to something as a sacrament that brings people closer to God in your belief then everyone would be included who wanted to be included. I have no idea if this church do that or not. I don't subscribe to the notion that Cannabis should be exempted from the laws on the basis of religion.
I don't think much of any organized religion for that matter.
Nor do I, however, since just about every other angle to make pot legal has been shot down over the years, if they can legalize marijuana based on a religious basis, all the power to them, I say.
Well generally speaking, the younger you are, the more healthier you are, the better your body can bounce back and accept treatment from certain illnesses...... like chicken pox. Yes, I know, not the same thing.... but as another example, Cancer..... I feel if you can find/detect & treat something as early as possible, the better the end results will be.
Though what I said earlier was more of a joke.
I agree but only those of the age of majority should be able to make that call for themselves after they have the knowledge of the drug.
I also agree, but that doesn't seem to apply in christian beliefs in regards to the wine drinking..... but as said before..... a sip of wine isn't going to have any major effects on anybody of any age, except to give them an idea of what it tastes like...... pot is the same way.... one puff (not one large haul mind you) won't do anything to anybody, regardless of their age...... this isn't crack we're talking about.
And if you have a responsible adult there grabbing the cup of wine or the joint away from the kid, knowing when enough is enough, then I still don't see a difference.
Context is everything. Abuse is bad, but simple use isn't abuse. Kids, though often clever little people, usually don't have the understanding and forethought to make an educated decision about drugs and alcohol among other things and so should be restricted to adults only.
I agree as well, which is why I personally don't think children should be allowed to drink wine at church, nor do I think they should be allowed to smoke pot..... but it currently doesn't work that way and children apparently can still drink wine at church..... so if they're allowed to do that and adults are allowed to drink wine in a church, then this church has every right to use the same arguments towards pot use in their church, ie: a sacrament.
In this case, it's either all or nothing..... you can not favor one over another.
And if they want to get around the under-aged issues of who smokes the pot.... set age limits. In the RC, you have to be 8 years old before you can even eat that crusty, stale bread..... they could apply the same restrictions in their own church and then everybody would be happy. And if they're worried about kids getting second hand pot smoke..... open the windows or have it only smoked up front with a decent ventilation system....... or setup an old Tim Horton's Smoking Booth.
Should a parent choose to teach responsible use in their own home to their own kids, I have no issue with that as long as it's responsible.
Everybody should be taught at a young age the responsible way to use drugs & alcohol..... though since "Responsible" is a bit vague and can mean different things based on who you ask.... they should be told the effects said drug/alcohol can have on their body, both positive (why people do them in the first place) and the negatives (addiction, health issues, etc.) and then let them decide..... when they're of legal age of course.
No it's about context and there a fine line here, but a line none the less.
I don't see that line.... besides one drug being illegal and another drug not being illegal and commonly accepted in our society..... context is just another word for "beating around the bush."