Re: A Moonbase now. junk the ISS moneypitDec 21st, 2010
We'll never have perfect world cooperation
We'll never have perfect world cooperation
The fact remains that there is a very large gravity well between the Earth and the Space Station. At the moment I can't see the use of a very expensive base on the moon. In any emergency on the moon, help. and the best medical care is several hundred thousand miles away. This will only change if we discover a very rich deposit of something we badly need on the moon.
We can try and solve all the world's problems all we want. The thing is, we won't solve all of the problems on this planet.... we won't solve all the problems on another planet or the whole universe.
So should we just sit on this planet for the rest of our existence until our sun dies out or an asteroid wipes us all out?
Nobody is perfect, nothing we do will ever be perfect.... thus living on this planet or any other planet will not be perfect either.
But when it comes to survival of our species and perhaps other species of this planet, we need to learn how to find and live on other suitable planets..... or make planets into ones we can live on.
We're like a big fish in a little pond..... that's the real cause of most of our problems on this planet... too many people, too much of a hog on resources.
Like any animal, you can't stay in one place for too long, before all the food is used up, your sh*t and waste kills the land and you also need to evolve, otherwise you'll soon end up extinct.... and the sooner you move on from one location, the less damage you do on that land, the quicker that land can recoup so that one day you can come back.
Take a chunk of our population, split it in two on two or more different planets, reduce the resource drain on Earth.... reduce the drain on those planets by not moving to that planet with everybody because we waited until the last minute when our planet is dead to do all this..... increase the chances of the survival of humanity.
The only real way you're ever going to solve most of the problems in the world is by reducing the population of humanity.... Besides wars and genocide, the only logical solution is to find more real estate out in space.
Working on how to make beds more comfy with memory foam in zero gravity isn't really a great way of bettering mankind.
Since when have people bothered this planet? Even if the whole lot of us were piled up we wouldn't make a decent ski hill. Earth is in no danger whatsoever from humans. This planet has repeatedly undergone extinction events and life always sprouts right back up again.
I believe we have at least 380,000 years of "Prehistory", in which Homo Sapiens had roamed the Earth and evidently did nothing... More accurately, we're probably not the first mega civilizations and others have gone through the same set of achievements, decline, near-extinction, et al; the Rig Veda does after all describe air battles (which people mistake for aliens but more likely could have been an older human civilization).
After all if you have seen the documentary "Life after People", it wouldn't take long (just 500-1000 years) for our concrete jungles and wooden homes to be completely destroyed through erosion.
Goes without saying that unless we achieve space colonization we will not break our cycle of collapse, though nevertheless (despite the doomsayers), humans in theory may still be around for another 400,000 years...
Even then there are "living fossils" on this planet, species that are 2-5 millions years old, that have no connection to other living organisms. So effectively, humans may very well be going through civilization after civilization, until the sun blows up, the earth stops spinning or humans somehow manage to destroy the atmosphere.
Does a moonbase make for a good video game? Does NASA have the right idea to work out various moon base technologies thru something as simple as a game. No question in my mind, we will have some sort of moon base on the Moon by 2050.
by Jeff Foust
Tuesday, July 6, 2010
As the media landscape fragments, organizations like NASA have increasingly come to realize they need to reach out to “nontraditional” platforms to get their message across. The agency already has an impressive web presence, something that has evolved from a nice-to-have to a need-to-have. NASA has also made a major push in social media, such as Twitter and Facebook, even hosting “tweetups” at shuttle launches and in mission control. NASA is now making its latest effort to reach out to the public—or at least some slice of it—in a nontraditional way: a video game.
The Space Review: Does a moonbase make for a good video game? (external - login to view)
First you create on paper, then create a simulation, then the real thing. NASA will have us on the moon soon. Their budget cut will not last more than 2012. I hope.
Oh oh, I smell a conspiracist, you think they really didn't go to the moon. However, when was the last time the Hubble telescope took a few pix of the US flag?
A moon base is the next big thing, with long term potential. Really, it's a big construction project. I wonder why trades and associations don't pass resolutions in support of it because it means jobs.
Does that include boinking Jessica Alba.
Question....what does the moon have that makes it attractive for a base.
No, I believe they went to the moon They could start the moon base by 2012 if they wanted to. Big thing will be the funding and which countries will cooperate to develop and build it. We can do almost anything if we want it bad enough.
That's good, they really went there.
The funding now is an issue but not impossible. They key is to discuss this and create public support, which is not easy to do. A redirection of money is largely required due to that great sucking maching called the ISS.
Why bother going up a bit to the ISS when a larger shot takes us to a moon? Already the ISS sucks billions for a tin can that will soon fall to Earth in a crash and burn spectacle. A depressing thought to me.
The moon has water, good for people and essential for fuel. The ISS has got nothing.
As for medical care, that is an important concern, but the moon is only a few days away. The proposals to go to Mars I see as nuts because medical care is a year or two away at some points. Not everyone is interested in space, but as it stands now, there is no space future here to look forward to.
That is the whole point. Unless we get serious, any moon base is a disaster waiting to happen. The finest medical care has to be available on the moon immediately. Remember, getting down from the ISS is a couple hours whereas getting back from the moon is a few says. A moon base must be able to support itself for at least a year. How masny transport ships would we need on the moon to get people back and forth? At this point we don't know how available water and other essentials on the moon are. It would be great to have a moon base but it would have to be a complete extension of Mother Earth.
To bad, now we will be surprised. Maybe Aliens can do something with our Moon.
The SETI institute has hibernated its Allen Telescope Array, which scans the sky for clues on extraterrestrial life, due to lack of funding. The telescope array, which consists of 42 20-foot-wide telescopes spread across a field 300 miles north of San Francisco, was originally funded largely by Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen, who donated $25 million to the project. However, state budget cuts have all but halted the project, which will for the time being be unavailable for normal use and run by a significantly reduced staff.
SETI Shuts Down Search for Alien Life Due to Lack of Funding - Yahoo! News (external - login to view)
From Arctechnica: (external - login to view)
Throughout the Bush administration, NASA had been given the goal of preparing for long-duration missions in space, first to the Moon and then eventually Mars. Upon reaching office, the Obama administration performed a detailed analysis (external - login to view) of NASA's priorities and budget, which revealed some ugly truths: NASA didn't have the money to build the systems needed to accomplish any of this, and even if it were to get a budget infusion, the schedule was unworkable. The report recommended we give up on Mars, skip the Moon, and focus on developing the technology to enable long-duration space travel.
The Moon is ready for corporations to start thinking about exploiting. Governments will continue to fund projects like deep space probes and travel.
http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-02/nasa-budget-constellation-officially-canned-deep-space-future-bright (external - login to view)
Space Probes Cut - San Jose Mercury News (external - login to view)