#1Oct 29th, 2010
Just now watching it on the news......
The Associated Press: US fighter jets escort plane with cargo from Yemen
The Associated Press: US fighter jets escort plane with cargo from Yemen
Is Yemen at it again?
#3
Re: Is Yemen at it again?
Oct 29th, 2010
the funny thing about this news coverage is that we don't know anything at this point except for
the fact their is a suspicious package on a plane bound for the Excited States of America. We
don't even know if there is a problem. All I am hearing is commentators giving theories as to
what it might mean. We don't know where the package came from, who put it there, how long
it might have gone undetected, and was it left there or placed there.
I think authorities and news media do a great disservice, when they take something that could be
serious and speculate till hell won't have it only to find out that this was nothing more than a
tempest in a teapot.
Tell me something meaningful once it has been investigated.
My old news nose tells me this came heading into a weekend just before the mid term elections
isn't that interesting for speculation.
the fact their is a suspicious package on a plane bound for the Excited States of America. We
don't even know if there is a problem. All I am hearing is commentators giving theories as to
what it might mean. We don't know where the package came from, who put it there, how long
it might have gone undetected, and was it left there or placed there.
I think authorities and news media do a great disservice, when they take something that could be
serious and speculate till hell won't have it only to find out that this was nothing more than a
tempest in a teapot.
Tell me something meaningful once it has been investigated.
My old news nose tells me this came heading into a weekend just before the mid term elections
isn't that interesting for speculation.
#4
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Oct 29th, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy
Well that is what the Dems and libs would have said if the shoe was on the other foot. I always thought that argument fell flat. I still do.My old news nose tells me this came heading into a weekend just before the mid term elections
isn't that interesting for speculation.
#5
Re: Is Yemen at it again?
Oct 29th, 2010
Al Quaeda has been known to attack just before and just after elections in various countries and that could be why there is higher security at this time....
#6
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Oct 29th, 2010
I THINK (and Grumpy can correct me if I am wrong) that Grumpy is saying that it is a ploy of the administration to distract the voters.
#7
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Oct 29th, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack
You mean like Clinton's attack on Iraq on the eve of his impeachement thingny?I THINK (and Grumpy can correct me if I am wrong) that Grumpy is saying that it is a ploy of the administration to distract the voters.
Or worst...that Bush was behind 9/11 to have an excuse to attack the middle east for Oil?
That sounds like a conspiracy theory
Okay...let's run with it....
#8
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Oct 29th, 2010
Actually I said it in jest, just before that I pointed out that at the time we had no proof of anything.
As the afternoon progressed we have finally some a better class of speculation, and that is what
it still is. My view to news is yes be first if possible make sure you actually have a story before
you say anything. At this point even, the five W's are not covered here. Who, Where, Why,
What and When. All we have is speculation according to sources. That is all we get anymore
both by left, right and center news outlets. By the time we get to the meat of the story and there
is often not that much to it. Now its spread to warning Jewish groups, and synagogues, and aircraft
and how did they know all this in a matter of the last two or three hours?
It very well could be a genuine story with serious details, but outlets should have facts and not just
speculation before making a world wide presentation.
It is hard to take media seriously when they behave this way.
As the afternoon progressed we have finally some a better class of speculation, and that is what
it still is. My view to news is yes be first if possible make sure you actually have a story before
you say anything. At this point even, the five W's are not covered here. Who, Where, Why,
What and When. All we have is speculation according to sources. That is all we get anymore
both by left, right and center news outlets. By the time we get to the meat of the story and there
is often not that much to it. Now its spread to warning Jewish groups, and synagogues, and aircraft
and how did they know all this in a matter of the last two or three hours?
It very well could be a genuine story with serious details, but outlets should have facts and not just
speculation before making a world wide presentation.
It is hard to take media seriously when they behave this way.
#9
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Oct 29th, 2010
Just keeping the American sheeple where they belong...in a false state of fear. lol
#11
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Oct 29th, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by JBeee
JBeee...I thought that you at least would go with my above theoryJust keeping the American sheeple where they belong...in a false state of fear. lol
I was actualy thinking of you when I wrote that post....
. #12
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Oct 29th, 2010
I could want to be a lot of things but being American is not one of them. I have a lot of American relatives.
There is some information of worth note coming out though. UPS is suspending operations to Yemen.
Two packages found contained explosives. Hmmm how did they get through security, when did these
items get discovered? You would think they would have been found before they got on the plane.
There are too many security people in a uniform with shiny buttons who don't have a clue as to what the
security business is all about. It keeps costs down, makes people feel secure, and the people with real
experience don't get paid what they are worth. If you can't raise the level of debate, raise the level of fear.
Spread it to the Jewish Community, the Airports and to other countries that might, (might become) a
target. The problem with me today is the level of credibility in the authorities.
There is some information of worth note coming out though. UPS is suspending operations to Yemen.
Two packages found contained explosives. Hmmm how did they get through security, when did these
items get discovered? You would think they would have been found before they got on the plane.
There are too many security people in a uniform with shiny buttons who don't have a clue as to what the
security business is all about. It keeps costs down, makes people feel secure, and the people with real
experience don't get paid what they are worth. If you can't raise the level of debate, raise the level of fear.
Spread it to the Jewish Community, the Airports and to other countries that might, (might become) a
target. The problem with me today is the level of credibility in the authorities.
#13
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Oct 29th, 2010
I don't think that Yemen has the level of outgoing security that ...let's say Israel has......
The americans were warned by other countries in transit that inspected the flight manifests and found it strange that someone in Yemen would be sending packages to Jews in the U.S.
The americans were warned by other countries in transit that inspected the flight manifests and found it strange that someone in Yemen would be sending packages to Jews in the U.S.
#14
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Oct 29th, 2010
This still ended up in a UPS cargo bag, wouldn't you think in a sensitive region the freight company would
have a higher quality of security? Just a question I don't know the answer.
The best security in the world is to make sure these packages, wacky passengers and so on don't get on
the plane. It could be said this is a success and failure at the same time. The packages made it on the
plane, the plane and the intended victims didn't get hurt.
have a higher quality of security? Just a question I don't know the answer.
The best security in the world is to make sure these packages, wacky passengers and so on don't get on
the plane. It could be said this is a success and failure at the same time. The packages made it on the
plane, the plane and the intended victims didn't get hurt.
#15
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Oct 29th, 2010
there is no way in hell they want to capture Bin Laden. The Middle East conflict is still a money maker
over all. The ammunition factories in America, Canada and Israel are going round the clock. If we did
the end too soon, it would be costly for the economy. Remember Vietnam? It was cost effective for a
long time too, once everyone is tired of it, and there is no more rabbits to pull out of the hat to keep it
going, peace will come. Any bet this thing will last about 25 years before the end and peace finally comes.
over all. The ammunition factories in America, Canada and Israel are going round the clock. If we did
the end too soon, it would be costly for the economy. Remember Vietnam? It was cost effective for a
long time too, once everyone is tired of it, and there is no more rabbits to pull out of the hat to keep it
going, peace will come. Any bet this thing will last about 25 years before the end and peace finally comes.
#16
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Oct 29th, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy
You bet. Bin Laden is their biggest asset. They are not about to kill the goose that lays their golden egg.there is no way in hell they want to capture Bin Laden. The Middle East conflict is still a money maker
over all. The ammunition factories in America, Canada and Israel are going round the clock. If we did
the end too soon, it would be costly for the economy. Remember Vietnam? It was cost effective for a
long time too, once everyone is tired of it, and there is no more rabbits to pull out of the hat to keep it
going, peace will come. Any bet this thing will last about 25 years before the end and peace finally comes.
#17
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Oct 29th, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy
Oh brother. We would love to get that guy.there is no way in hell they want to capture Bin Laden.
You think when or if Bin Laden gets it we all pack up and go home? Think again.
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
The sad part is you really believe that nonsense.You bet. Bin Laden is their biggest asset. They are not about to kill the goose that lays their golden egg.
#18
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Oct 29th, 2010
The fact is if they got Bin Laden it would be the beginning of the end of the war, not the end of the war.
That is a long way from over, but when the leader, the symbol of the struggle is captured it tends to
deflate the enemy, the focus of the war would change from the wests point of view. The events of
south Vietnam tell us a lot. America took the peace with honor route, when in fact, the SV army had
collapsed and America could not hold on, with the serious troop withdrawals. Look at Iraq, once the
great Saddam was hanged the complexion of that war certainly changed. The end result. In the
final election, the people that America booted out of office, were the same people under a different
banner to be elected. The Suni side of the fence became preferred over the Shia movement.
It was the Suni Baath Party that ruled before and will again. Last Sunday one of the Retired US
Generals that operated in that theatre, as well as Vietnam stated what Iraq needs is a strong man.
Hopefully not one like Saddam but a strong man so much for democracy. Democracy will not work
in the Arab World, they are ruled by religion and the tribal system, not conducive to democracy,
When they catch Bin Laden its the beginning of the end
That is a long way from over, but when the leader, the symbol of the struggle is captured it tends to
deflate the enemy, the focus of the war would change from the wests point of view. The events of
south Vietnam tell us a lot. America took the peace with honor route, when in fact, the SV army had
collapsed and America could not hold on, with the serious troop withdrawals. Look at Iraq, once the
great Saddam was hanged the complexion of that war certainly changed. The end result. In the
final election, the people that America booted out of office, were the same people under a different
banner to be elected. The Suni side of the fence became preferred over the Shia movement.
It was the Suni Baath Party that ruled before and will again. Last Sunday one of the Retired US
Generals that operated in that theatre, as well as Vietnam stated what Iraq needs is a strong man.
Hopefully not one like Saddam but a strong man so much for democracy. Democracy will not work
in the Arab World, they are ruled by religion and the tribal system, not conducive to democracy,
When they catch Bin Laden its the beginning of the end
#19
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Oct 29th, 2010
Bin Laden is just a figure head now, and his capture would help insure a democratic win only. We will not stop till his organization is destroyed this time, so do not worry Cliffy money will still be made world wide for a few more years. 
#20
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Oct 29th, 2010
Only the dead have seen the end of wars.
lol...what a bunch of clowns they were.
Quote: Originally Posted by ironsides
Hey Ironsides... Is Bush still holding on to Bin Laden and waiting for the midterms?Bin Laden is just a figure head now, and his capture would help insure a democratic win only. We will not stop till his organization is destroyed this time, so do not worry Cliffy money will still be made world wide for a few more years.
lol...what a bunch of clowns they were.
#21
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Oct 29th, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack
Jeb is getting ready. Only the dead have seen the end of wars.
Hey Ironsides... Is Bush still holding on to Bin Laden and waiting for the midterms?
lol...what a bunch of clowns they were.
#22
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Oct 29th, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack
I could say the same about you.The sad part is you really believe that nonsense.
Have you actually looked at the Bin Laden "confession" tape? That guy doesn't even remotely resemble Bin Laden. I am a portrait and caricature artist. I study faces for a living. That is not Bin Laden. If your government is lying about that, they cannot be trusted to tell the truth about anything.
#23
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Oct 29th, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
Wait a minute. The one that came out right after 9/11?I could say the same about you.
Have you actually looked at the Bin Laden "confession" tape? That guy doesn't even remotely resemble Bin Laden. I am a portrait and caricature artist. I study faces for a living. That is not Bin Laden. If your government is lying about that, they cannot be trusted to tell the truth about anything.
#24
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Oct 29th, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack
That or any other tape they have produced. The war was started under false pretenses, so they will do whatever it takes to not get caught with their pants down. From Bush to Obama, I have seen enough of their lies to say with all clarity, that they cannot be trusted with anything they say or any so called evidence they manufacture.Wait a minute. The one that came out right after 9/11?
#25
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Oct 29th, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
I knew you were liberal, and didn't like conservatives, and didn't care much about the American Govt. or Americans for that matter.That or any other tape they have produced. The war was started under false pretenses, so they will do whatever it takes to not get caught with their pants down. From Bush to Obama, I have seen enough of their lies to say with all clarity, that they cannot be trusted with anything they say or any so called evidence they manufacture.
However... I didn't know you were bonkers.
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
Oh dear.That or any other tape they have produced. .
#26
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Oct 29th, 2010
No Would be Terrorist dare use that flight plan/path. again .
Bin Laden's al-Qaeda and Iran are on the Radar/In the hotlight.. Surrounded by Wide Staring Eye's ...And Media Hype..
.It is Such a hot spot ..They all gotta/better wear shades...( to hide their twitches from nervous Paranoia)
Remember "Would Be/Wanna Be" Terrorists..."THEY" are watching ..."THEY" are always Watching ...And by the "THEY" I mean U.S...
Watchin' ON American TV...
Bin Laden's al-Qaeda and Iran are on the Radar/In the hotlight.. Surrounded by Wide Staring Eye's ...And Media Hype..
.It is Such a hot spot ..They all gotta/better wear shades...( to hide their twitches from nervous Paranoia)
Remember "Would Be/Wanna Be" Terrorists..."THEY" are watching ..."THEY" are always Watching ...And by the "THEY" I mean U.S...
Watchin' ON American TV...
Last edited by GreenFish66; Oct 29th, 2010 at 09:31 PM..
#27
Re: Is Yemen at it again?
Oct 29th, 2010
Remember the weapons of mass destruction? The weapons that weren't. We have a serious
problem with the truth in this whole thing. The left sees it as a way to protect women and children,
and the right wants to force a democratic regime of course based on conservative free market
principals. The right is also working to keep the fighting to keep the munitions factories working.
Peace would be an economic disaster. Even the question of who are the terrorists comes to
mind? the Taliban, the Communists in the third world? Maybe even the G8 and the G20. Think
about it, every one of these groups has their own agenda that does not take into account anyone
else. Politicians has destroyed trust in government left and right. The economists, Bankers and
the financiers have destroyed trust and eliminated ethics in the financial world. All of this for their
own gain or for the gain of their little group and don't get me started on the sham, and games the
various religions play. Yemen is in fact the least of our problems, the biggest problem we have to
overcome is ourselves. The actual way to defeat these middle Eastern and third world Asian
groups is to provide jobs and encourage a middle class without trying to force them into becoming
colonies of the developed world again. When the poor of the third world can afford to buy what we
produce, the possibility of peace can at least be contemplated and that is a long way off. While we
focus on fear and Yemen the same old games get played and we react the same way.
problem with the truth in this whole thing. The left sees it as a way to protect women and children,
and the right wants to force a democratic regime of course based on conservative free market
principals. The right is also working to keep the fighting to keep the munitions factories working.
Peace would be an economic disaster. Even the question of who are the terrorists comes to
mind? the Taliban, the Communists in the third world? Maybe even the G8 and the G20. Think
about it, every one of these groups has their own agenda that does not take into account anyone
else. Politicians has destroyed trust in government left and right. The economists, Bankers and
the financiers have destroyed trust and eliminated ethics in the financial world. All of this for their
own gain or for the gain of their little group and don't get me started on the sham, and games the
various religions play. Yemen is in fact the least of our problems, the biggest problem we have to
overcome is ourselves. The actual way to defeat these middle Eastern and third world Asian
groups is to provide jobs and encourage a middle class without trying to force them into becoming
colonies of the developed world again. When the poor of the third world can afford to buy what we
produce, the possibility of peace can at least be contemplated and that is a long way off. While we
focus on fear and Yemen the same old games get played and we react the same way.
#28
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Oct 29th, 2010
Bah! Today its tarr`ism, tomorrow Americans and thier media will be all a flutter about some actor/actress found drunk in a hotel room.
#29
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Oct 30th, 2010
Here is a thought that may have come from the conspiracy-inflicted mind of certain posters here:
The entire thing was staged by the Obama administration to prove to the world how excellent and effective they are at preventing terrorist activities.
The entire thing was staged by the Obama administration to prove to the world how excellent and effective they are at preventing terrorist activities.
#30
Re: Is Yemen at it again?
Oct 30th, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
No, you believe what you want to believe. That is not necessarily fact.That or any other tape they have produced. The war was started under false pretenses, so they will do whatever it takes to not get caught with their pants down. From Bush to Obama, I have seen enough of their lies to say with all clarity, that they cannot be trusted with anything they say or any so called evidence they manufacture.
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