Vatican: ‘Jews Have No Claim to Promised Land’

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Reuters Published: 10.23.10, 14:00 / Israel News

Israel cannot use the Biblical concept of a promised land or a chosen people to justify new "settlements" in Jerusalem or territorial claims, a Vatican synod on the Middle East said on Saturday.

In its concluding message after two weeks of meetings, the synod of bishops from the Middle East also said it hoped a two-state solution for peace between Israel and the Palestinians could be lifted from dream to reality and called for peaceful conditions that would stop a Christian exodus from the region.

"We have meditated on the situation of the holy city of Jerusalem. We are anxious about the unilateral initiatives that threaten its composition and risk to change its demographic balance," the message said.

US-brokered peace talks have stalled since Israel rejected appeals to extend a temporary moratorium on settlement construction in the West Bank that expired last month.

Since the freeze expired, Israel has announced plans to build another 238 homes in two east Jerusalem neighborhoods, drawing the condemnation of Palestinians and world leaders.

In a separate part of the document, a section on cooperation with Jews, the synod fathers also took issue with Jews who use the Bible to justify settlements in the West Bank, which Israel captured in 1967.

"Recourse to theological and biblical positions which use the Word of God to wrongly justify injustices is not acceptable," the document said.

Many Jewish settlers and right-wing Israelis claim a biblical birthright to the West Bank, which they call Judea and Samaria and regard as a part of historical, ancient Israel given to the Jews by God.

Asked about the passage at a news conference, Greek-Melchite Archbishop Cyrille Salim Bustros, said:
"We Christians cannot speak about the promised land for the Jewish people. There is no longer a chosen people. All men and women of all countries have become the chosen people.

"The concept of the promised land cannot be used as a base for the justification of the return of Jews to Israel and the displacement of Palestinians," he added. "The justification of Israel's occupation of the land of Palestine cannot be based on sacred scriptures."

The synod's concluding message repeated a Vatican call for Jerusalem to have a special status "which respects its particular character" as a city sacred to the three great monotheistic religions -- Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

Jerusalem remains a key issue of dispute. Palestinians want east Jerusalem for capital of a future state. Israel has annexed the area, a move never recognized internationally, and has declared Jerusalem to be its "united and eternal" capital.

Israel did not include east Jerusalem as part of its 10-month building freeze, though most plans there were put on hold in March, when the US protested reports of a new housing project leaked during a visit by Vice President Joe Biden.

While recognizing "the suffering and insecurity in which Israelis live" and the need for Israel to enjoy peace within internationally recognized borders, the document was much more expansive and detailed on the situation of Palestinians.

It said Palestinians "are suffering the consequences of the Israeli occupation: the lack of freedom of movement, the wall of separation and the military checkpoints, the political prisoners, the demolition of homes, the disturbance of socio-economic life and the thousands of refugees."

It urged Christians in the region not to sell their homes and properties. "It is a vital aspect of the lives of those who remain there and for those who one day will return there."

It condemned terrorism "from wherever it may proceed" as well as anti-Semitism, Islamophobia and discrimination against Christians.
 

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Nice. Looks like the actions of Imam Rauf seem to be making a mark. Now let's get the big Rabbi on board and we can begin the religious cleansing.

EDIT: Woops, I misread that as the pope made that comment about terrorism - and not the doc from Biden. Scratch that. Back to 1 for the good guys and 2 for the bad guys.
 

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Right.

Bulletin: Catholics don't think Jews have a right to anything.

Big news there!

To anyone that has been asleep for the last 2000 years.
 

Bar Sinister

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No doubt the Catholic Church is correct. Now, if the Church will only apply the same standards to itself and give up any claim to moral authority based on its 2000 years of encouraging religious intolerance we might really have something.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Yeah, like we should take seriously anything the *Official Catholic Church* says. This is an organization that condemns contraception, claims using condoms is a greater evil than spreading HIV/AIDS, covers up the rape of children, promotes the redemptive value of suffering, and keeps the female half of its claimed billion adherents out of any serious role in its councils. It doesn't deserve to exist.
 

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Yeah, like we should take seriously anything the *Official Catholic Church* says. This is an organization that condemns contraception, claims using condoms is a greater evil than spreading HIV/AIDS, covers up the rape of children, promotes the redemptive value of suffering, and keeps the female half of its claimed billion adherents out of any serious role in its councils. It doesn't deserve to exist.

ROFLMFAO. Yup you're completely open minded.
 

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The Church simply says the Israeli authorities cannot expand settlement into occupied territory outside Israel and use a "religious text" as pretext!
 

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Nice interpretation from people who helped the Nazi's during WW-II, tried themselves at one time to conquer Palestine and lost. Who are they to say anything about Israel.
 

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Possibly, but Israel is there and will not give anything back until peace is guaranteed. I do like the race the Palestinians and Israeli's are having planting olive trees to secure claims on land. (now just have to stop them from burning and robbing each others olives).

God is always on our side. (Ironic isn't it.)

A dog's friend
 

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Funny.

One version of a fairytale telling another version of a fairytale what they have claim to.
 

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The Church simply says the Israeli authorities cannot expand settlement into occupied territory outside Israel and use a "religious text" as pretext!
So Israel was a country and then conquered etc -
Yet other documents can substantiate their borders - but a Religious text because it is not Catholic makes the Talmud - Jewish History, discussion, law all is in the Talmud yet an RC has the audacity to state that it is not relevant.

Kind of prejudiced I would say - Even racist I would say.

Now I am not stating that Israel has the right to annex these lands - I bring these points forward in regards to Jerusalem as the sole and single Capitol of Israel - Not a joint or divided City as proposed by the Palestinians.
 

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Are Catholics a race?
Brother Spade - i am not as well educated as i wish i was - But in this situation we have RC's telling Jews - What they can and cannot do. Call it this or call it that - It does not hold water.

Reminds me of a course I had to take in the Army

X's and O's - diversity etc.

One point that was raised was that an Aboriginal had to have the approval of a Christian or Jewish Chaplain before he could grow his hair according to tradition.

I argued vehemently with the major that to have one religion judge another to see f they met the criteria for growing their hair was inherently flawed and was unlawful as such.
Needles to say the major was quite pissed at me.

lo and behold in Jan of the New year a message came out - stating the policy was changed due to the point i had already made.

i copied, signed and set a copy on the majors desk. Pissed him off again.
 

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Goober, what the Church is suggesting is exactly what you advocated - respect for others particularly in their own country (ouside Israel).
 

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Whether or not Israel has claim to the promised land is best left to the feud between
the two opposing sides, who are really cousins in the family of Abraham if we are to
believe the Old Testament. That has its problems too. The whole fire and flood stuff
from the old testament is left to question in and of itself. See there is a flood story
and a fire story much older than the Old Testament. On the walls of Babylon there is
one of those stories that goes back before the rise of the Jews themselves. Some
say the Old Testament is merely borrowed stories from much earlier times.
As for the Jews being given the Promised Land did they not march around and knock
down the walls of Jericho, which would lead me to believe, they conquered and then
occupied a land that belonged to someone else. At any rate the Jews, and the Arabs
are both children of Abraham, that would make them cousins. What the hell is the
world doing then getting involved in a family quarrel. These people are no better than
the other they are related. I do agree though, if there is going to be peace the Israelis
have to stop building in areas that are sensitive. I also believe Jerusalem has to be
an open city, shared by both peoples. And if we are supposed to help find peace in
the Middle East we should not be taking sides. If we are going to use bully tactics on
one side it must be equally applied when the other takes action that could jeopardize
a future peace agreement. The only problem is if the two sides arrived at a measure
of peace they would fight over it. That also leads me to believe one side is no better
than the other.