New York Landmarks Commission Declines to Block ‘Ground Zero Mosque’


JBeee
#1
By Jason Ditz
August 3, 2010

Amid outrage from angry protesters, the New York City Landmarks Commission declined to grant “landmark status” to a relatively anonymous commercial building in Lower Manhattan on the grounds that it is relatively anonymous and not of any historical significance at all.
Despite its picturesque graffiti and Burlington Coat Factory sign, this building is not an historical landmark


The reason this sparked so much fury is that the site is part of the planned location of a 13 story Islamic community center, which has been dubbed the “Ground Zero Mosque” by opponents even though it isn’t actually a mosque and isn’t actually at ground zero.

A number of opponents have claimed that building a mosque at the site, even one that isn’t actually a mosque but is just something vaguely related to Muslims, somehow “glorifies” the terrorist attack a few blocks away in 2001. The furore has reached such a point that even the Anti-Defamation League, which is nominally a group fighting for religious freedom, came out against the construction.

The latest public opponent of the construction is Connecticut Senator Joe Lieberman, who urged the city to block the construction and “take a look at this.”

He is joined by former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich. New York mayor Michael Bloomberg insists that freedom of religion still exists in the city, however, and supports the construction of the building.
 
Walter
#2
I hear they're building a ******* on one side of the mosque and a female fitness facility with glass walls on the other.
 
earth_as_one
#3
Just because the nutcases allegedly responsible for the 9/11 claim to have religion on their side, doesn't mean its true. It would be like banning the building of a Catholic Church because of the some Catholic clergy's child abuse.

I'd also like to point out that many 9/11 victims were Muslim:

Samad Afridi
Ashraf Ahmad
Shabbir Ahmad (45 years old; Windows on the World; leaves wife and 3 children)
Umar Ahmad
Azam Ahsan
Ahmed Ali
Tariq Amanullah (40 years old; Fiduciary Trust Co.; ICNA website team member; leaves wife and 2 children)
Touri Bolourchi (69 years old; United Airlines #175; a retired nurse from Tehran)
Salauddin Ahmad Chaudhury
Abdul K. Chowdhury (30 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
Mohammad S. Chowdhury (39 years old; Windows on the World; leaves wife and child born 2 days after the attack)
Jamal Legesse Desantis
Ramzi Attallah Douani (35 years old; Marsh & McLennan)
SaleemUllah Farooqi
Syed Fatha (54 years old; Pitney Bowes)
Osman Gani
Mohammad Hamdani (50 years old)
Salman Hamdani (NYPD Cadet)
Aisha Harris (21 years old; General Telecom)
Shakila Hoque (Marsh & McLennan)
Nabid Hossain
Shahzad Hussain
Talat Hussain
Mohammad Shah Jahan (Marsh & McLennan)
Yasmeen Jamal
Mohammed Jawarta (MAS security)
Arslan Khan Khakwani
Asim Khan
Ataullah Khan
Ayub Khan
Qasim Ali Khan
Sarah Khan (32 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
Taimour Khan (29 years old; Karr Futures)
Yasmeen Khan
Zahida Khan
Badruddin Lakhani
Omar Malick
Nurul Hoque Miah (36 years old)
Mubarak Mohammad (23 years old)
Boyie Mohammed (Carr Futures)
Raza Mujtaba
Omar Namoos
Mujeb Qazi
Tarranum Rahim
Ehtesham U. Raja (28 years old)
Ameenia Rasool (33 years old)
Naveed Rehman
Yusuf Saad
Rahma Salie & unborn child (28 years old; American Airlines #11; wife of Michael Theodoridis; 7 months pregnant)
Shoman Samad
Asad Samir
Khalid Shahid (25 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald; engaged to be married in November)
Mohammed Shajahan (44 years old; Marsh & McLennan)
Naseema Simjee (Franklin Resources Inc.'s Fiduciary Trust)
Jamil Swaati
Sanober Syed
Robert Elias Talhami (40 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
Michael Theodoridis (32 years old; American Airlines #11; husband of Rahma Salie)
W. Wahid


Muslim Victims of Terrorist Attack, September 11, 2001

The ADL is mostly concerned about anti-semiticism, not Islamaphobia.
 
JBeee
#4
So near to such "sacred, hallowed" ground? Fitting for N. Yorkers.

[IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_n-PiP0QBfos/TDXe6QoDScI/AAAAAAAAIH0/xTVsYKVaoK8/s1600/sarah_palin_*******_girl_20100707_1968254784.jpg[/IMG]

Quote: Originally Posted by WalterView Post

I hear they're building a ******* on one side of the mosque and a female fitness facility with glass walls on the other.

Last edited by JBeee; Aug 4th, 2010 at 11:57 AM..
 
coldstream
#5
It's undoubtedly financed by Saudi money, which has been seeding mosques through out Europe and the Americas. They usually maintain some type of moderate front, but are almost always dedicated to this as means to an end.. the end being the imposition of a Muslim theocracy through out the World.

Islam is one of only two religions in the world with a Global messianic mission. The other being Christianity. So there is no doubt the the NY mosque is intended to forward that cause, by obfuscating the jihad character that Islam will ALWAYS embrace.. it's in their Book.
 
petros
#6
Quote:

It's undoubtedly financed by Saudi money, which has been seeding mosques through out Europe and the Americas.

It was Saudi money that built the World Trade Centre with Middle East architectural themes.
 
coldstream
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

It was Saudi money that built the World Trade Centre with Middle East architectural themes.

The original World Trade Center was financed and built by The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, a government agency and was financed largely through Port generated revenues and government grants or guaranteed loans. It's architect was Minoru Yamaski, a Japanese American architect who was not influenced to any great degree by Middle East architecture.
 
petros
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstreamView Post

The original World Trade Center was financed and built by The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, a government agency and was financed largely through Port generated revenues and government grants or guaranteed loans. It's architect was Minoru Yamaski, a Japanese American architect who was not influenced to any great degree by Middle East architecture.

You're dreamin'.

In 1961, a year before designing the World Trade Center towers, American architect Minoru Yamasaki completed a much smaller project that would influence the look of his new creation in New York City.
The project was 6,000 miles away, in a country Yamasaki would visit many times over the next decade, Saudi Arabia. It's clear from the layout of the World Trade Center that Yamasaki incorporated aspects of Islamic design into the towers.
This pattern was most visible at the base of the buildings, which were ringed by pointed arches resembling those found in mosques and on Muslim prayer rugs. The plaza fronting the towers paid homage to Mecca, Islam's holiest place, by replicating that city's courtyard layout, according to architect Laurie Kerr, who has studied Yamasaki's work.

Yamasaki himself described the trade center plaza, which featured a circular fountain and places to sit, as a mecca -- "an oasis, a paved garden where people can spend a few moments to relieve the tensions and monotonies of the usual working day."
For 29 years -- from the time the first World Trade Center tower was completed in 1972 to Sept. 11, 2001, when two hijacked planes leveled the buildings -- there was little general awareness that New York's tallest and most visible towers reflected Yamasaki's interest in Islamic architecture.
No plaque pointed out this connection. No literature extolled it. Yamasaki himself didn't publicize it, even though he dropped plenty of hints in his 1979 autobiography, "A Life in Architecture," in which he expressed his admiration for Islamic arches and included photos of all his important projects -- photos that reveal a pattern of Islamic-inspired design.
"The idea of a pointed, ribbed arch was beautifully replicated in the World Trade Center," says Nezar AlSayyad, a UC Berkeley architecture professor who worked with Yamasaki for two years on another project. "It's ironic it was used in the World Trade Center, which is then understood by the hijackers as a symbol of Western capitalism."

Although the trade center was perhaps the most prominent example of Islamic-influenced architecture in the United States, there are other notable examples in every major American city.
 
EagleSmack
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

It was Saudi money that built the World Trade Centre with Middle East architectural themes.

Who's dreaming? They were tall square buildings.
 
petros
#10
See above^.
 
JBeee
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

See above^.


See below.

Bin Laden's special complaint with the World Trade Center. - By Laurie Kerr - Slate Magazine
 
petros
#12
As above...


...so below.
 
coldstream
#13
Well, Petros, whatever the supposed inspiration.. no one has ever called the World Trade Center good architecture.
 
GreenFish66
#14
Sounds like Ny Politics to me ...

A Mosque 2 blocks from Ground zero ?.. I thought this was America ...Starting to sound a lot like Jerusalem..

Perhaps a shrine should be built at the WTC location 1st, before the Mosque goes ahead,.....

In America there should be room for All ...

However, if there are people/U.S Citizens funding Terrorists "Like Bin Laden " out there ..They should be arrested and dealt with immediately..

Save us from all the B.S political Games...
 
ironsides
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#15  Top Rated Post
We Muslims know the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation



By Raheel Raza and Tarek Fatah, Citizen Special


Last week, a journalist who writes for the North Country Times, a small newspaper in Southern California, sent us an e-mail titled "Help." He couldn't understand why an Islamic Centre in an area where Adam Gadahn, Osama bin Laden's American spokesman came from, and that was home to three of the 911 terrorists, was looking to expand.
The man has a very valid point, which leads to the ongoing debate about building a Mosque at Ground Zero in New York. When we try to understand the reasoning behind building a mosque at the epicentre of the worst-ever attack on the U.S., we wonder why its proponents don't build a monument to those who died in the attack?
New York currently boasts at least 30 mosques so it's not as if there is pressing need to find space for worshippers. The fact we Muslims know the idea behind the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation to thumb our noses at the infidel. The proposal has been made in bad faith and in Islamic parlance, such an act is referred to as "Fitna," meaning "mischief-making" that is clearly forbidden in the Koran.
The Koran commands Muslims to, "Be considerate when you debate with the People of the Book" -- i.e., Jews and Christians. Building an exclusive place of worship for Muslims at the place where Muslims killed thousands of New Yorkers is not being considerate or sensitive, it is undoubtedly an act of "fitna"


Read more: Mischief in Manhattan
 
Just the Facts
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

I'd also like to point out that many 9/11 victims were Muslim:

So?

A Muslim victim of 9/11: 'Build your mosque somewhere else'


washingtonpost.com
 
Tonington
#17
Land of liberty...unless you're the scapegoat du jour.
 
CDNBear
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

Land of liberty...unless you're the scapegoat du jour.

Freedom of expression, unless you're an infidel.
 
Machjo
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by GreenFish66View Post

Sounds like Ny Politics to me ...

A Mosque 2 blocks from Ground zero ?.. I thought this was America ...Starting to sound a lot like Jerusalem..

Perhaps a shrine should be built at the WTC location 1st, before the Mosque goes ahead,.....

In America there should be room for All ...

However, if there are people/U.S Citizens funding Terrorists "Like Bin Laden " out there ..They should be arrested and dealt with immediately..

Save us from all the B.S political Games...

Hey, give it a break. Now if they had been building the mosque 3 blocks away, it would have been fine, but not 2
 
Tonington
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Freedom of expression, unless you're an infidel.

Not the kind of company I'd like to be included in.
 
CDNBear
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

Not the kind of company I'd like to be included in.

When are you converting to Islam?

Can I bring the kids to the ceremony?

Does SCB have to wear a burqa?

If so you tell her. I like breathing to much.
 
Just the Facts
+1
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

Hey, give it a break. Now if they had been building the mosque 3 blocks away, it would have been fine, but not 2

I don't know, we'd have to ask Imam Rauf if 3 blocks would have been far enough away for him to not name his book "A Call to Prayer from the World Trade Center Rubble: Islamic Da'wah From the Heart of America Post-9/11".
 
Tonington
+1
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

When are you converting to Islam?

Never. I'm not religious at all, but I'm also opposed to hypocrisy.

I'm all for free speech, and for liberty in a general form, beyond just speech and expression.

So, really I'm the wrong person to ask that type of question. It might have more effect on those with something in common with extremist Muslims who do wish to deny others their liberty.

You can breath easy Bear
 
CDNBear
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

Never. I'm not religious at all, but I'm also opposed to hypocrisy.

We're all a little hypocritical Ton...

Quote:

I'm all for free speech, and for liberty in a general form, beyond just speech and expression.

So am I, but I still don't think I would put a Casino on Greasy Grass Creek though. I'm as put off at the fact that there is, as much as I'm put off by a Mosque near the WTC site.

Just how much should poor taste play on hypocrisy Ton?

Quote:

So, really I'm the wrong person to ask that type of question. It might have more effect on those with something in common with extremist Muslims who do wish to deny others their liberty.

You can breath easy Bear

Pheeeewww!!!
Last edited by CDNBear; Aug 8th, 2010 at 01:56 PM..
 
Tonington
+1
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

We're all a little hypocritical Ton.

No doubt. I try to save mine for the little things.
 
CDNBear
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

No doubt. I try to save mine for the little things.

I always end up pulling a "Lenny" and squish the little things, while I hug them and squeeze them.
 
Goober
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

Just because the nutcases allegedly responsible for the 9/11 claim to have religion on their side, doesn't mean its true. It would be like banning the building of a Catholic Church because of the some Catholic clergy's child abuse.

I'd also like to point out that many 9/11 victims were Muslim:

Samad Afridi
Ashraf Ahmad
Shabbir Ahmad (45 years old; Windows on the World; leaves wife and 3 children)
Umar Ahmad
Azam Ahsan
Ahmed Ali
Tariq Amanullah (40 years old; Fiduciary Trust Co.; ICNA website team member; leaves wife and 2 children)
Touri Bolourchi (69 years old; United Airlines #175; a retired nurse from Tehran)
Salauddin Ahmad Chaudhury
Abdul K. Chowdhury (30 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
Mohammad S. Chowdhury (39 years old; Windows on the World; leaves wife and child born 2 days after the attack)
Jamal Legesse Desantis
Ramzi Attallah Douani (35 years old; Marsh & McLennan)
SaleemUllah Farooqi
Syed Fatha (54 years old; Pitney Bowes)
Osman Gani
Mohammad Hamdani (50 years old)
Salman Hamdani (NYPD Cadet)
Aisha Harris (21 years old; General Telecom)
Shakila Hoque (Marsh & McLennan)
Nabid Hossain
Shahzad Hussain
Talat Hussain
Mohammad Shah Jahan (Marsh & McLennan)
Yasmeen Jamal
Mohammed Jawarta (MAS security)
Arslan Khan Khakwani
Asim Khan
Ataullah Khan
Ayub Khan
Qasim Ali Khan
Sarah Khan (32 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
Taimour Khan (29 years old; Karr Futures)
Yasmeen Khan
Zahida Khan
Badruddin Lakhani
Omar Malick
Nurul Hoque Miah (36 years old)
Mubarak Mohammad (23 years old)
Boyie Mohammed (Carr Futures)
Raza Mujtaba
Omar Namoos
Mujeb Qazi
Tarranum Rahim
Ehtesham U. Raja (28 years old)
Ameenia Rasool (33 years old)
Naveed Rehman
Yusuf Saad
Rahma Salie & unborn child (28 years old; American Airlines #11; wife of Michael Theodoridis; 7 months pregnant)
Shoman Samad
Asad Samir
Khalid Shahid (25 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald; engaged to be married in November)
Mohammed Shajahan (44 years old; Marsh & McLennan)
Naseema Simjee (Franklin Resources Inc.'s Fiduciary Trust)
Jamil Swaati
Sanober Syed
Robert Elias Talhami (40 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
Michael Theodoridis (32 years old; American Airlines #11; husband of Rahma Salie)
W. Wahid


Muslim Victims of Terrorist Attack, September 11, 2001

The ADL is mostly concerned about anti-semiticism, not Islamaphobia.

If you consider that the Iman of this Mosque has stated that the US brought 911 upon themselves - if you consider that monies for this come from the Saudi's - If you consider the impact this will have on relations between religions - It is not only in bad taste it is also a provocation.
Just becasue you have the right to do something does not make it right or appropriate.

But that is not consdered - Why?

EAO - AKA Babbling Brook - As to the Alledged Nitcases that in your limited view were resposnible for 911 - The NY Coroners Office has their body parts, identified by DNA and offered to be returned to the Saudi's for burial - They will not accept this as then they would have to admit that these people were involved.

And it was a Jewish Conspiracy - Right????
 
DaSleeper
+1
#28
What we have in the OP, is society's boundless addiction to political correctness............
 
Goober
+1
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

What we have in the OP, is society's boundless addiction to political correctness............

Yes - The West has a tendency to over react to the Big PC Gods - Trying to please everyone does not work very well.
 
Tonington
#30
Isn't it politically incorrect? Minimizing offense (politically correct by any definition) would be to bow to the tugging heart strings of the victims of 9/11 wouldn't it? Preventing the legitimate use of land because it is offensive to some group is the very definition of politically correct...
 

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