Quote: Originally Posted by karrie
yeah... let's wait and look at punishment. We'll rehabilitate viscious dogs,
We do? Last I heard they're killed unless someone goes to the media to plea for public support to save their dog and sway opinion.
..... but, for a child, let's beat him or wait until he gets older to level some other punishment. Let's not, oh, I don't know, try to help him or anything. He's just another human being after all.
Then what sort of wonderful "Help" would you suggest that would work?
I knew a punk like this growing up, who continually killed and abused animals and bragged about it.... the police didn't do anything about him besides tell his parents to lecture him, which did nothing, and when the last I saw him back when we were around 20-21 years old, he was bragging about how one day he was walking down the street with his grandmother when a dog chained up in someone's yard barked at them and startled his grandmother..... so he came back later in the night and while it was in its pin, he poured gas all over the dog and then set him on fire and just stood there and watched.
This kid apparently didn't learn from his past actions as even in the report they said "RCMP and Child, Youth and Family Services were addressing the incident because of the boy's age"
Which sounds to me like they threw everything they had at the kid to "Help" him..... and it didn't work.
Yes.... let's keep talking to the kid, cuz that worked before..... How dare anybody suggest giving this kid some form of punishment to show there are at least consequences for his actions..... if he can't understand that killing and beating animals, other people's pets at that, is wrong, then maybe he will understand that there will be punishments for doing wrong.
But apparently even that's too harsh.
Quote: Originally Posted by karrie
Because we are the system, and look at what the base response is. 'Beat him, hurt him.'
Yeah well nobody said to kill him or brutally beat him so he can't walk anymore.
Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG
For the 900th time (ok 900 might be a little exaggeration):
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I'd bet my left foot that beating the kid would only reinforce his aberrant behavior.
Then toss him into boot camp, military school or institutionalize the little freak.
Quote: Originally Posted by #juan
I wonder how long it will take for him to take a hammer to one of his classmates. Serial killers usually start out with pets
and at some point move on to people.
Exactly.... and these type of people when given plenty of lee way will eventually come to the conclusion that they have power over everybody else, that the consequences for their actions are minimal or non-existent.... and when the time comes that he decides to kidnap a fellow classmate, take them out into the woods and torture/beat them to death, he'll be dragged into the courts and of course will plea insanity or something else to work around the system, like mommy and daddy didn't love him enough or something stupid...... then gets maybe 2 months in some adult day care where they teach him how to make baskets and socks, adding further insult to his victims and their families.
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss
Yea, beating the kid won't do anything - except possibly make matters worse. And at this age, while I believe the child is fully aware of his actions, he is also aware that he can get away with it because there is no proper punishment. I don't believe he thinks his actions are ethically justifiable though. He's not delusional or a sociopath - he's an eight-year old kid that gets a high on killing small creatures. Maybe he should play some COD and kill some humans for a real thrill, lol.
Oh, he gets a high on killing small creatures.... so that makes it so much better?
You make it sound like something every 8 year old kid goes through like it's normal to go around clubbing and killing animals/other people's pets.
The one time I actually used violence against something or someone, I got a good smack with a good yelling and I learned pretty damn quickly not to do that crap again..... pretty simple and quite effective..... In fact, when I did something stupid.... and I mean really stupid growing up, I got a good throttling.... it never encouraged me into thinking that being abusive to others is a good thing and to keep doing it, nor can I remember the last time I was ever violent to someone except in cases of self defense.
This isn't some kid spilling milk all over the table we're talking about.
Yet some here want to make it sound like I'm in support of a regular everyday thrashing at 4:00pm on the dot for the sake of it..... black and white for some it seems.