Oh goody. Finally someone posted a thread about Afghanistan. (All sarcasm absolutely intended).
You frequently post complaints like this regarding war related threads. Why do you even bother to read these threads if they annoy you? If you don't like the topic, then don't read it or post complaints about them.
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack
I know that you're hoping for it to be Friendly Fire but the evidence just isn't supporting it....
What makes you believe that I hope that Canadian soldiers were killed by friendly fire? Can you support your opinion with a refence to something I've posted? Or are you just assuming that because I don't support war crimes and crimes against humanity, that I hope that our soldiers kill each other. You'll have to connect the dots for me. How did you come to this erroneous misperception about me?
To me it makes little difference whether soldiers are killed by friendly fire or not. I am concerned when our government lies to the public about it. I'd rather know the cold hard truth, than be pacified by soothing lies.
Remember this friendly fire event?
I disagree with the ruling regarding Maj. Schmidt.
1) He was not briefed on the presence of Canadian troops in the area
2) He was told that hostiles were operating in the area
3) The on-board weapon fire detection system cannot tell which direction the weapons are pointed and as a result, could easily be misinterpreted as firing in his direction.
4) The Canadians were not equiped with transponders (which would have identified them as friendly)
5) As per orders these guys were pulling multiple shifts without adequate downtime and taking stimulants (amphetamines) in compensation, so their judgement was impaired.
Assuming the above facts are correct and complete, I conclude Schmidt did not deserve to be busted. I believe he was unjustly made a scapegoat as a result of political pressure. Maj. Schmidt was only one of the people responsible, yet he and his wingman got all the blame. IMO, the person most responsible for these tragic deaths was whoever sent the Canadians into a war zone without the appropriate equipment (transponders). Likely that person was a Canadian officer. As far as I know that person was never held accountable for their mistake. On the plus side, very soon after this incident all Canadians operating alongside Americans in war zones are now equipped with transponders. That might not have happened if this incident was covered up with lies.
I am against war crimes and crimes against humanity. I don't support starting dumb unprovoked wars (Iraq), making new enemies unnecessarily (the Taliban) or committing strategic/tactical blunders. My beef isn't with soldiers who do their duty, but with people who commit war crimes. The decision to start an unprovoked war was a war crime. Nearly all the soldiers ordered to invade and occupy Iraq could not have known that the case for war with Iraq (WMD stockpiles) was bogus. The entire Afghan war could have been avoided with more patience, knowledge of local customs/culture, diplomacy and less arrogance. I agree with bringing the people responsible for 9/11 to justice. However not a single Taliban was involved in that crime. These people weren't our enemies until we attacked them. We knew that some of the people involved in 9/11 were "guests" of the Taliban and as per their customs, the Taliban are obligated to protect them. The US government should have respected Afghan culture and realized that the Taliban would never hand these people over without a fight, even if they didn't want to fight or protect these people. We should have focused on controlling Afghanistan's borders and preventing arms from reaching the Taliban. Eventually the Taliban who were at war with the Alliance would have have hinted that their "guests" were unwelcome and the people of interest would have been obligated to leave. At which point we could have captured most of them. Instead we bombed the Taliban and the people of interest escaped in the confusion.
I support all Canadian troops who act professionally and ethically as per Canadian and international law. I support holding people accountable for their actions and if any Canadian soldier commits a war crime or crime against humanity, I support busting their *** to the full extent of the law. Do your duty with courage and honor and you have my respect and gratitude.
Regarding the above Afghan incident, no one denies the report classifies the deaths as friendly fire. Now that the report has been made public, the people involved claim the report's classification as friendly fire was a mistake. The military is looking at correcting the error. In this case the report's leak appears to have resulted in a correction to the official record.
To me it makes no difference how a soldier dies in battle. My concern regarding friendly fire relates to criminal negligence and/or systemic issues. I also have a problem with the military and government covering up friendly fire deaths, as if the deaths were shameful or the victims were less heroic or brave. Friendly fire when it occurs in the middle of a battle counts as killed in action. (KIA). I expect friendly fire will always be a factor in war. Under unusual circumstances, its possible that a decision to deliberate kill soldiers with friendly fire could be the right decision if that action saves lives overall and/or contributes to the mission's success. Sorry but soldier's lives are expendable. That's the deal when you sign up.
For example, on the Gemini 4 space mission, I understand McDivitt had an order to cut White loose during the EVA if he couldn't re-enter the cabin. Re-entering with the hatch open would have killed both astronauts. The right decision in that specific situation would have been for McDivitt to deliberately kill White and save himself. Even if I was White, I'd still agree with that decision.
To me, supporting the troops means, taking care of their families while they are over seas, proper compensation (financial and otherwise), preferential access to medical services, education, employment... and so on. I would support these improvements in government policy. Waving a flag and putting a bumper sticker on your car are nice gestures, but they don't pay the grocery bills or provide day care services.
Last edited by earth_as_one; Jul 27th, 2010 at 08:21 PM..