Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo
I've just looked at a few other videos and it would seem that many police officers went on a power trip, and with Toronto being a major city, it would appear many passers-by had gotten swept up in the police power-trip. Fair enough, and perhaps a review needs to be done on that. That still does not change my opinion of the lady in the video in the OP. She was provocative, and while I'm sure the police had likely violated the law in arresting various others who had nothing to do with the protests or who were at least protesting n a more respectable manner, in the case of this particular girl, she was asking for it. We do have to look at it on a case by case basis, and the fact that the police abused their powers on many occasions during the G20 does not excuse the exceptions like her.
Regardless of her motives, she stopped when she was told and asked a question, the male cop escalated the issue. Cops have leeway in dealing with issues. They are NOT expected to just arrest anyone who makes a nasty face at them. The female cop was handling it in the appropriate manner by not allowing an escalation. The cop was itching for a confrontation after a couple of seconds. Even if an arrest of the girl was eventually warranted most of the cops I know would stick her in cuffs, put her in the unit, and let her stew for a while, then let her go after an hour or so.
Quote: Originally Posted by YukonJack
I sincerely hope that all you police bashers will never have the need to have one on your side.
That would depend upon whether a cop "helping" me had his shyte together or not. I'd pick the lady cop for that over the bigmouth with attitude.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of folks with the childlike, blind faith in cops, posties, firefighters, etc. Cops are not machines, they are people, and as such are prone to human mistakes.
Quote: Originally Posted by Goober
Never meant to imply that she was innocent - She was trying to instigate a situation - with as little action or what would appear to be minimal actions on her part in order to get a negative response from the Police -
She succeeded - That was her role - Did it quite well - The Officer had his role - he failed.
He didn't fail. He did his job extremely poorly is all he did.
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear
Says who? He told her she was breaking the law, in a stern and authoritative manner. Where's the error in that?
No I don't. I know this is very much a criminal act.
It's assault whether you agree with it or not. I might suggest you right your MP and have the criminal code changed to exempt bubbles. Until then, it's a criminal act.
Again, a matter of perspective. I actually surprised you see it this way though. And I'm not trying to be negative.
Actually, I think the opposite. I thought Cloutier acted as he was ordered and didn't react. But he wasn't being confronted at that moment, with a crime.
Actually, badass bubblehead cop said if a bubble touched either of them it would be assault. Not sure on the law but it isn't assault till then. She was probably only committing a misdemeanor of some sort, public mischief or something.
Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo
Agreed. I'm just saying though that the girl is also partly to blame for this. That's all I'm saying here. Unfortunately, the activist community seems to treat her like a hero for disrespecting another human being's private space by intentionally blowing bubbles into it.
Perhaps had I been a passer-by, I could have procured myself of such a bottle myself and started blowing bubbles at her too to see how she felt about it.
Great. Another person that likes escalating issues.
Oh, the dreaded bubble. A wave of a hand can dispense with any that actually
become annoying. I didn't even see the female cop doing that so the issue was being dealt with properly.
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack
I think you are underestimating Miss Bubbles. I bet she would have stayed right there. Do you think she has any respect for police? Do you thnk she would all of a sudden engage them in witty banter. She's an anarchist.
rofl Yeah a teenaged anarchist? IMO, it had nothing to do with anarchy and a lot to do with a kid seeing where boundaries are.