Quebec angry over lack of French at Games


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MONTREAL - A Quebecer's moment of Olympic glory is being tempered by a bitter feeling in his home province that the language he speaks has been treated like an also-ran at the Games.
Celebration over Alexandre Bilodeau's Olympic freestyle skiing victory risked being overshadowed by a torrent of criticism over a perceived lack of French at the Olympics.
The issue is receiving major media coverage in Quebec just as the country celebrates its first gold medal on Canadian soil, delivered Sunday by a French-speaking Quebecer.
There's a two-page spread in Monday's La Presse newspaper with headlines like: French as Rare as Snow in Vancouver; and Only 15 Per Cent of 25,000 Volunteers Speak French; and there was one mocking column in the paper partly written in English, titled Proud to be...

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"I don't accept being a second-class citizen" Coderre told a talk show on LCN network.

As far as I'm concerned, at the venues I've been to so far, French has always been spoken along with the English when announcements are broadcast.

WHAT IS THE DEAL?
 
El Barto
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It must be the winter blues ........
geez
 
Johnnny
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if el barto is fine with things then things must be ok
 
El Barto
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I didn't hear much complaining here . Then again I tend to tune out whining
 
Francis2004
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Again.. a stupid reason to whine..

This is no better coming from Quebec then it was from English Canada..

TV reporting is not affected by this and there is no reason why people should make it sound like they are not getting the proper information in their language. BULL...

How far will people go to make Canada look bad in the eyes of the world while they watch everything we do and say ?

To make matters worse is the involvement of politicians.. Federal Heritage Minister James Moore and Quebec Premier Jean Charest have both noted their frustration over the lack of French spoken at the opening ceremonies as well as Denis Coderre, the federal Liberal critic for official languages.

So remember who is your best advocate for Canada at the next election.. Coderre should never have been put or left in the Liberal Shadow Cabinet and I hope he gets the boot next election and Moore should be remembered for his lack of respect for Canada and receives equal treatment..

We have no control on Jean Charest outside Quebec.. Perhaps El Barto can kick him in the nuts for us..
 
countryboy
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Merde 'appens.
 
El Barto
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merde 'appens.

hahahahahahahaaaaaaaa
 
El Barto
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Again.. a stupid reason to whine..

This is no better coming from Quebec then it was from English Canada..

TV reporting is not affected by this and there is no reason why people should make it sound like they are not getting the proper information in their language. BULL...

How far will people go to make Canada look bad in the eyes of the world while they watch everything we do and say ?

To make matters worse is the involvement of politicians.. Federal Heritage Minister James Moore and Quebec Premier Jean Charest have both noted their frustration over the lack of French spoken at the opening ceremonies as well as Denis Coderre, the federal Liberal critic for official languages.

So remember who is your best advocate for Canada at the next election.. Coderre should never have been put or left in the Liberal Shadow Cabinet and I hope he gets the boot next election and Moore should be remembered for his lack of respect for Canada and receives equal treatment..

We have no control on Jean Charest outside Quebec.. Perhaps El Barto can kick him in the nuts for us..

I actually bumped into him twice a couple of years ago. Body guard thing umm nah , not going to happen . At least he's not a sepratist.
 
justfred
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Quote above. Denis Coderre, the federal Liberal critic for official languages, said francophone concerns were being ignored in English Canada.

I cite that English concerns are being ignored in Quebec. Ribit.
 
lone wolf
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Of course it is. The IOC speaks French
 
L Gilbert
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Non issue. Wifey still thinks they should have used an aboriginal language. They pretending to use a lot of other native stuff, like those Inuit markers/pointers, Chinese-built "native" Canadian souvenirs, etc.
The thing's a farce from day 1, so why should the languages used at the games be any different?
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by cdn_bc_caView Post

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"I don't accept being a second-class citizen" Coderre told a talk show on LCN network.

As far as I'm concerned, at the venues I've been to so far, French has always been spoken along with the English when announcements are broadcast.

WHAT IS THE DEAL?

Let's put things in perspective here ()and Ihave plenty of right to criticise French-speakers seeing that I'm a native French-speaker myself). According to statistics, about 1% of the world's population knows French (bearing in mind that this statistic includes everyone, including infants, the deaf, etc.). Yet, a French-speaker can attend any Olympic event in the world at any time and be served in French!

Now to be kind, let's suppose that infants, the deaf, etc. comprised 50% of the world's population, and we counted them out of the statistic. That would allow us to double the percentage of French-speakers in the world to a whopping 2%! So essentially, about 2% of the world's adult population that knows at least one spoken language knows French, and yet the International Olympic Committee chooses to give preferential service to this 2% over all others, at every Olympic event in the world, and yet Canada's French-speakers are complaining about this?! If you're a Persian Speaker or an Arabic speaker, good luck getting any service in your language at any Olympic event other than in a city where your language is predominant. French-speakers needn't worry about that. They were served even in Beijing. Even Russians got no service in their language even though their own country borders China. Nor did Japan or Korea get any service in their languages either. But French-speakers from across Eurasia did! And French-speakers are now complaining that giving French preferential treatment is not good enough, that it mustn't just be given preferential treatment, but royal treatment too? Hey, I thought most French-speakers were ardent republicans.

Now before any English-speaker here gets too excited, I did my research on English speakers in the world too. As it turns out, about 5% of the world's population speaks English, again including infants, the deaf, etc. So again, to be kind, let's double that to 10% of the world's population. English being the IOC's second official language means that English is also presented next to French in all Olympic events worldwide. So just as French was presented in Biejing for instance in the absence of Russian, Japanese, Korean, etc., so English was likewise presented in their absence too. So while 88% of the world's adult speaking population would have been able to understand nothing of the Olympic events in Beijing unless he should watch them dubbed or subtitled on TV, The 12% (and likely less seeing that there is some overlap with English-French bilinguals being counted twice)of the world's adult speaking population that knows French or English would have been given a special privilege that excluded the other 88% or more of the world's population. Yet, instead of being thankful for their primary privileged position, French-speakers complain that they're not privileged enough, and English-speakers complain because they're only number 2, ignoring the fact that the rest of the world is excluded completely. Talk about national self-absorption. Sickening, really.
 
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It is the usual political whining, with the Heritage minister trying to score a few points with Quebec. I am guessing that the average Quebecois could care less about the use of English or French at the opening ceremonies provided the actual games are broadcast in French.
 
Machjo
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And as mentioned earlier, this is an IOC issue and not a Canadian one anyway. It has to do with the IOC's language policy applicable in all events around the world.
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by Bar SinisterView Post

It is the usual political whining, with the Heritage minister trying to score a few points with Quebec. I am guessing that the average Quebecois could care less about the use of English or French at the opening ceremonies provided the actual games are broadcast in French.

Maybe English-speakers could start a petition asking the IOC to remove French from their list of official languages, and French-speakers could do the same about English. Then we could all pray that all their wishes be fulfilled
 
Risus
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Quebecors will always whine, but that doesn't change the fact that they are a minority...
 
Mowich
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Anyone watching the games can catch them in French on APTN and CPAC.
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by RisusView Post

Quebecors will always whine, but that doesn't change the fact that they are a minority...

Seeing that the Olympics are an international event, and no more than about 10% of the world's population speaks English, I guess on the world scale, both Anglophones and Francophones together form a minority. And if we include Canadians only, then an even smaller one.
 
El Barto
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Quote: Originally Posted by Bar SinisterView Post

It is the usual political whining, with the Heritage minister trying to score a few points with Quebec. I am guessing that the average Quebecois could care less about the use of English or French at the opening ceremonies provided the actual games are broadcast in French.

Yeah you right . its just substance for politicians and the media .
 
cdn_bc_ca
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Political is right.... but I think it is a form of political brainwashing. I've kept an open ear yesterday when watching the pairs figure skating and all announcements were announced in French first, English second. There is no doubt that the french politicians have a hidden agenda. This is not good for the country as many quebecors will just take what was said as fact.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by cdn_bc_caView Post

Political is right.... but I think it is a form of political brainwashing. I've kept an open ear yesterday when watching the pairs figure skating and all announcements were announced in French first, English second. There is no doubt that the french politicians have a hidden agenda. This is not good for the country as many quebecors will just take what was said as fact.

Throughout the games so far, all announcements have been in french first and then English.
 
ironsides
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Right, what is the problem?
 
lone wolf
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Right, what is the problem?

It's not Quebequois....
 
ironsides
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Oh poor poor Evangeline, still looking for Gabriel.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by cdn_bc_caView Post

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here's a quote from the article:
"I don't accept being a second-class citizen" Coderre told a talk show on LCN network.

Great! Neither do I in Quebec. When then are we going to rid the province of the racist bill 101? If I have to be treated as a second class citizen in my own home town, then what's wrong with an outsider being treated as a second class citizen in Vancouver? As a native of Montreal, I have to live day-to-day with the constant presence of language police who are committed to try and erase anything that is English in Montreal. They are trying to force a foreign language (French) upon me by using racist based legislation, violating my civil rights. However, not to worry, I won't now nor will I ever cave in to racism, and surely not in my own city. If we all had a habit of caving in, then we would all be posting our replies to these threads in German .
 
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there will always be whiners, and when I read many posts
on canadian content, they come from english as well as
french, so that's nothing new, the media will pick out
anything negative they can find, and throw it out there,
and wait for the whining.
 
Ron in Regina
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Quote: Originally Posted by talloolaView Post

there will always be whiners, and when I read many posts
on canadian content, they come from english as well as
french, so that's nothing new, the media will pick out
anything negative they can find, and throw it out there,
and wait for the whining.


Here's some more whining, & it covers just about Everything to do with the
Olympics: --
 
ironsides
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Didn't I read that the population is diminishing in Quebec?


Two languages in womb makes bilingual babies: study.


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L Gilbert
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IOC should adopt ebonics. Then they'd be really cool.
 
talloola
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

Here's some more whining, & it covers just about Everything to do with the
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yeah it goes on and on, I can't understand the negativity,
why do people burn so much energy looking for problems,
when it would be easy, seeing the good right in front of them.
 

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