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Legally, your mark carries the same weight as your signature. Ballots are from a time when it was common for pepole to not know how to make a signature.
Don't take my word for it. Look it up! You have the world at your fingertips.
A ballot is a legal document. If you sign with anything other than an 'X' or in anything other than pencil. it becomes a "spoiled ballot"....
I hear Ginseng puts lead in your pencil. What does this have to do with manufacturing the Snews?
I have scrutineered many an election. If the mark is anything other than an 'X' or in anything other than pencil, it is a spoiled ballot. No shooting from the hip, just simple fact. The point isn't passports or anything else. The point is a ballot MUST be marked with an 'X' in lead. That's why they put that little pencil there. So, there IS a document that is legally signed in pencil. Knock off the side-tracking, nit-picking and semantics. You are wrong.
and here in oz and canada, we are still encouraged by the government, to use a pencil on a legal document
Heres the original quote.
So ya,your shooting from the hip unless you think that statement is true.
Why you brought ballots into it is beyond me.
Take anything stretch says with a grain of salt,...
3.1.2 Insufficient grounds to reject ballots
A ballot should not be rejected by a judge simply because it was:
- marked by the deputy returning officer in a manner other than as set out in the Act [284(2)] - Ballots that were objected to during the initial count have been marked by the deputy returning officer with a number that coincides with a number listed in the poll book. [286(1)] The judge may not examine the poll book. [304(2)]
The judge may summon the deputy returning officer to give evidence under oath. [304(5)]
- marked with a symbol other than a cross - An elector may mark a ballot with a cross or other mark in the circular space opposite the name of the candidate of his or her choice, provided that the mark cannot be used to identify the elector. [151(1)(b), 279(1)(e)]
- marked with a writing instrument other than a black lead pencil </B>[304(3), DRO Manual]
marked with a writing instrument other than a black lead pencil [304(3), DRO Manual]
So where has our government encouraged us to use pencils?
Or are you just shooting from the hip again?
Try filling out your passport in pencil,see what happens.
Our government doesnt encourage us to sign legal documents with pencils.
Look it up,you also have the world at your fingertips.
I bieleve you also need a witness if you can only use a mark instead of a signature.
Cliffy, that was my father's favourite saying!
"________ puts lead in your pencil."
Now, I realize most of those foods gave you lead poisoning!