Quote: Originally Posted by mt_pockets1000
I venture a guess that most of them are in abattoirs because seals are one of the most regulated on the planet.
Ah, you're guessing are you? Shouldn't you do the research so that you know the facts? Or is that just something you toss up at others in hopes they will not bother doing the home work?
Haha...congratulations! You actually looked up the definition of a beater. Now we're getting somewhere. You're actually doing some research on the topic. Perhaps we can have a sensible debate after all. That's right a beater is about a month old. But...it's not a whitecoat. Isn't that what ticks you self righteous people off? The fact that their coats are white and the sealers were clubbing them? What a joke.
No that's not what ticks me off. But speaking of misinformation and propaganda, you try to make it out that whitecoats and beaters aren't even the same animal. Two weeks apart in age son. That's all. Still unable to swim away, still a pup.
The joke is that you actually believe that there is some huge difference.
Do you have a fact sheet on what happens inside an abattoir? I bet you'd be quite surprised to know the shyte that happens inside there. But hey...it's behind closed doors so what do we care huh?
Yes and when I hear about any place not following procedure I'll make a complaint. Someone will go and inspect the abattoir to see that it is following regulations. That's not happening on the ice though. People who are going out to bear witness to what happens there are arrested, the video confiscated and destroyed then they are harassed and forced to leave the town they are staying at to do their work.
I wonder how that would go over at an abattoir if the inspectors where treated in that manner?
Yes you would go to jail because a dog is a pet. But seals are a renewable resource to be exploited by man...just like a cow. Come on now....let your mind grasp that for a minute. Killing is killing. You can't justify it by keeping an animal behind a fence or inside a barn only to be slaughtered later for dinner.
Renewable like Cod? This "devine entitlement" you show here is what the problem is and has been ever since we started forcing all tribes to join up or perish.
A wild animal isn't like a domesticated animal at all. You're failure to understand that betrays your serious lack of understanding of the issue. Not surprising at all just disapointing. You lay the emotional tag on anyone concerned with animal rights based on tradition, fear and the ridiculous notion that people have to go kill some defenceless animal to confirm some measure of manhood.
Cows don't exist in the wild. Niether do pigs or chickens. They did some ten thousand years ago but things have changed. Being a domesticated animal has some benefits along with the fact that at a predettermined time, they are going to die. But they won't be run down by a preditor, they won't starve, they won't have to stand out in the weather or run out of water. If they weren't domesitcated they wouldn't be here.
The justification for them is that they are a food stock. The seals slaughtered on the East coast are not. And now their fur which is the only thing harvested from them are worth less than a case of beer. If there was no commercial seal slaughter, no one would die from it. If we stopped killing livestock today, we would starve long before any sort of substitution was put into place.
Not really. If McCartney said diddling kids was bad I'd have to go right along with him. However, I totally disagree with him on the sealing issue. Anyway, Heather messed with his head. I'll forgive him for that little indisgression. McCartney has his place in history. And it's not on the icefields off P.E.I.
So if in that case I said to you:
"You've been led astray by shocking pictures on the Internet and Paul McCartney's addled mind after Heather Mills got through with him. If a Beatle says it's wrong it must be so. You've been so manipulated by political correctness you cannot think for yourselves anymore."
What would you respond with? It's a bogus argument regardless of the position. Celebrity is right or wrong based on what they say not who they are. You should by now understand that.
As far as skinning an animal while it's still conscious, no, I have not said anywhere that I agree with this.
Ah but this happens and your response to it is "so what".
Show me. I'm simply saying that a hunt this large is bound to have some unfortunate incidents where the animal will suffer.
What you seem to be side stepping here is that the method in which seals are stunned is at the very best, 2% failure. The very best optimistic estimation.
Not that the CVMA is at all confident of that number as stated in their report I linked to previously. The other end of that estimation is 40%. We don't know where the truth in that spread is because the sight of this slaughter is so nasty they don't let anyone close enough to record and study what actually goes on.
When that happens guys like you get pissed off at what's shown to the public.
If it has to be hidden away then you can be sure it's not what it's being called.
"Hunt" is a pretty big stretch of the imagination come to think of it.
You tell me the odd cow or pig don't suffer while the slaughter is taking place. I'll wager it happens more often than on the icefields off Atlantic Canada.
Any suffering they do is for our own sustenance. That is what they were bred, kept and managed for. The slaughter prossess is quick and painless for the most part. Again you will have to produce some sort of evidence to back up your "wager" as to the statistics. Should be interesting to see where you turn to gather that information if you even try.
Mister, I'm not asking you to go along with anything. You're a grown man and you can make your own decisions.
Didn't you just tell me that I should be standing up defending my country over this? I'll go have a look for that and see if I can post it later.
And I see you have. Unfortunately, you have made the wrong one. Me...yeah, I don't see anything wrong with harvesting a patch of wild animals if the populations can sustain the hunt each year. We do it all the time with other species.
I see, kill something for the sake of killing something as long as there are plenty to kill. Seems to be a ridiculous position to take but then I am not you.
Ah Unforgiven you were doing so well too. I'm disappointed in you. Here I thought you were a worthy adversary, but alas...you fall wa-a-ay short with that comment.
Was I doing so well? Thanks. I see you have claimed victory here. Sort like Bush declaring he won the war in Iraq so many years ago.
Suffice it to say you are sharp of tongue but weak of heart. I'll leave it at that.
I have not even started with the sharp tongue part yet. They had to close the Steal Cage because some people are so ****ing sensitive that seeing *$%&@@)! ruins their whole day. You aren't one of those PC butt napkins are you Pockets?
Last edited by Unforgiven; Jul 30th, 2009 at 07:21 AM..