China set to become auto industry leader

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China set to become auto industry leader

By Kendra Marr • THE WASHINGTON POST • May 19, 2009


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America's auto titans are dismantling their global empires. But across the Pacific, it's as if the global economic forces that have pummeled Detroit never struck. Chinese auto sales are up, and this year China is projected to displace Japan as the world's largest car producer.




Now, the auto world is buzzing that China's auto industry may try to pick up the pieces of Detroit — at a bargain.
Chinese companies have tried to dampen speculation, issuing regulatory filings that deny bids to buy Ford's Volvo or General Motor's Saab. But there's little doubt among analysts that Chinese automakers are interested in the United States and that Detroit's automakers are interested in them.
Buying up iconic brands such as Hummer or Saturn could supply Chinese automakers with the technological expertise to help them leapfrog past long-established competitors, said Kelly Sims Gallagher, a lecturer at Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government, who wrote a book on Chinese automakers.
"That's where Chinese firms are weakest," she said. "They have world-class business and manufacturing capabilities now. What they still lack is technological know-how, systems integration, being able to design new vehicles from scratch and get them to a manufacturing line."
China still suffers from its reputation of being a copycat manufacturer. An acquisition could lend clout to some of the nation's 100 car companies that are largely unknown outside their home country.
Such a deal would be "off-the-shelf legitimacy that you can purchase," said Aaron Bragman, an auto analyst with IHS Global Insight .
Industry shifts eastward

The global auto industry is restructuring. Italy's Fiat is on the verge of taking control of Chrysler. Last year India's Tata Motors, already famous for its $2,000 Nano, acquired Jaguar and Land Rover.
And China's auto sector has emerged as a threat to the long-standing pecking order. This year Geely Automobile, one of China's largest private carmakers, purchased an Australian drivetrain transmission supplier, a leading gearbox manufacturer. Weichai Power, one of China's top diesel engine manufacturers, acquired a French diesel engine producer. Another Chinese company, BYD, which has Warren E. Buffett as an investor, launched a mass-market plug-in electric car before GM's anticipated Chevrolet Volt.

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Detroit's annual auto show in January was somber, but Shanghai's show dazzled attendees with throngs of models, rock bands and light shows. This year, Nissan skipped Detroit and attended the Chinese event in April. Mercedes-Benz, BMW and Porsche all unveiled new-vehicle models in Shanghai.



"The center of gravity is moving eastward," Daimler Chairman Dieter Zetsche told reporters at the show.
"When we look back 20 years from now, the year 2009 is likely to be viewed as the year in which the baton of leadership in the global auto industry passed from the United States to China," Jack Perkowski, a Western transplant and former chairman of a Beijing auto parts company, wrote in his blog "Managing the Dragon."
Standards are a hurdle

Some of China's bigger manufacturers, such as Chery Automobile, have trumpeted their intent to export Chinese-made vehicles to the United States in the next few years. To get there, they'll need to revamp their products to meet stringent U.S. emissions and safety standards.
That's no simple problem. Previous plans to ship Chinese cars to U.S. soil have crumbled. A company called Brilliance missed its goal of launching U.S. sales in 2009. BYD said it would introduce its cars to Americans in 2010 but has pushed their arrival to 2011. Other potential contenders have gone out of business or are struggling to stay afloat.
In 1994, Beijing released a plan to triple auto production by 2000 and reduce imports. The government lured foreign producers to bring their technology overseas and invest in Chinese auto parts firms. It aimed to modernize domestic manufacturing by creating joint ventures with foreign automakers such as GM.
As a result, China's auto sales took off in 2000. In 2002, they crossed the 1 million mark. More recently, the numbers have taken a hit in the economic crisis, forcing companies to curb exports to countries such as Russia and Vietnam.
But after the industry pressed Beijing for a bailout late last year, the central government responded with subsidies and slashed the sales tax on small, fuel-efficient cars, spurring demand. Analysts say the expansion of the country's web of roads and highways — part of an economic stimulus package — coupled with a growing middle class could fuel more sales for years to come.



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FascistUSA wrote:

Wouldn't the proper capitalist reaction be for American workers to prepare themselves to work for a bowl of rice in order to compete with their global counterparts instead of signing some silly market-undermining petition that will do absolutely nothing?
5/19/2009 9:14:39 AM
Wouldn't the proper capitalist reaction be for American workers to prepare themselves to work for a bowl of rice in order to compete with their global counterparts instead of signing some silly market-undermining petition that will do absolutely nothing?


Mikey_b wrote:
This will take 1 minute to read and 2 minutes to act.

Our manufacturing base has been decimated. Our IT and Engineering jobs have been siphoned away. We have plenty of citizens who would love to be doctors but simply can’t afford the education. The Philippines is cranking out export ready nurses (to the tune of 132,000 a year) who are trying their best to get here for our jobs. There are more than 1,000,000+ H-1B visa holders in the US right now. These are the jobs we went to (and send or children to) college for.

Take 2 minutes of your time and make yourself heard; go to:

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President Obama: Please tax and penalize companies who offshore outsource jobs, issue an Executive Order to freeze the processing of H-1B visas, and enforce the penalties for hiring illegal immigrants.

We need our jobs for Americans!!!

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China has practical idea, like a plug for an electric car you can actually use from your house. Detroit never figured that out as they killed the electric car years ago. Which is why Detroit has 3 walking zombies.

But it takes years to figure out high quality manufacturing and China will get there because they are making big money, but it will take some time. The USSR could make rockets to get to space in the 1960s, but the fine tuning to build a rocket ship, module and communications system to land men on the Moon, they never had a real chance. Building cars is easier so they will do it as other countries have.
 

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The USSR could make rockets to get to space in the 1960s, but the fine tuning to build a rocket ship, module and communications system to land men on the Moon, they never had a real chance.

American propaganda would have you think they are tops at everything. The fact is that the USSR had and Russia has some very serious technology. If you travel then you know the USA is actually falling behind very very quickly.

Don't be fooled by your puppeteer.
 

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American propaganda would have you think they are tops at everything. The fact is that the USSR had and Russia has some very serious technology. If you travel then you know the USA is actually falling behind very very quickly.

Don't be fooled by your puppeteer.

Wrongo in the Congo. Why? Because Americans put their launches on TV, so you could see them fail and succeed. Information was open and free, more or less. You saw American disasters and they learned from them. The Soviets and the Chinese kept and keep their space programs under wraps. This hinders progress because science requires open systems and a free flow of informaion to perform best.

The Soviets could have tried to go to to the moon after the Americans landed, but they didn't because they couldn't. Communism could supply basic needs, but beyond that it was a failure. The worker's paradise, it's coming, just hang on for another century or ten. According to the ideologues.

So China has semi-communism, or authoritarian capitalism, which is what most countries have these days. More or less.
 

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The car consumer globally will be very reluctant to trust buying a car from China when in fact we have seen countless times in the past of bad quality contaminated with mercury plastics and other clattering the face of the earths surface with unsafe for consumption products..

The car manufacturers of Japan in the past 20 years have produced cars with great integrity, and all the necessary considerations. From fuel economy, to low maintenance costs, to personal passenger safety integrity, to a fair price structure (MSRP Manufactures Suggested Retail Price), China is so far behind because as you know trust in the market place doesn’t happen over night as it is claimed on this thread.

For China to convince the market share that would declare them leaders in the worlds auto making, MABY in the next 50 years they would have to produce safe plastics so people can commute in a cubical in the winter with windows closed with out contamination from plastics of heaters. Big Big challenge. The Japanese have done their home work, the fact that so many people prefer Japanese made cars around the world that is the proof in the putting Japan has out sold the American 3 and this is reality, only because the Japanese car is able to deliver great value integrity for your buck, while the Chinese can not due to the obvious known reasons. I am not suggesting the China will never be a good potential car maker, I am only saying that Japan is the big player in the world stage and China is not even third, far behind from safe product notoriety.



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Japanese have taken over US Car Manufactures for the 1st Time

The top three car manufacturing giants in the US are in serious financial difficulties. The credit crunch is being widely blamed for a collapse in the demand for cars and destitute economy, but the issue is a little more complicated than that. For the first time the market share of the U.S brethren fell to 42.7 percent versus 43 percent for the Japanese rivals. This marked the first time the U.S crown has changed hands.

There has been relatively little focus on new design and fuel efficient cars. In this respect, Toyota has been streets ahead in the US. GM, in particular, has depended too much in recent years on the SUV market. The market share of Japanese car manufacturers has ballooned to capture the US market, with the help of its fuel efficient cars.
 

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If the quality sucks, being a big producer just means you make lots of junk to clutter up the planet. If it's good quality stuff that lasts for a long time, fine.

As true for China as it is for GM :lol:
 

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Quite right. I just realized that a few decades ago. I've been repairing North Am, Asian, and European vehicles pretty much since my mid teens. North Am has made some decent quality products but an awful lot of them still don't stand up to most European or Asian products (mostly Japanese). GM's forte was making a lot of their parts transferable between model years and model types.
The problem I see with most manufactirers these days is they make things unecessarily complicated. My old 1978 Cordoba wasn't outfitted with computers and whatnot yet it got about 33 MPG on the highway and about 24 in town. It had a 400 cu in engine (6.6 liter) for Pete's sake. My 1970 Charger did about the same with a 383 in it and my Ford pickup got almost the same gas mileage as my wife's Dakota and it had a 390 cu in engine. My wife's Dakota has a 3.9 liter 6-banger in it and does about 26 MPG on the highway and about 18 in town. And that's with one more gear in the tranny.
 

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The Soviets could have tried to go to to the moon after the Americans landed, but they didn't because they couldn't. Communism could supply basic needs, but beyond that it was a failure. The worker's paradise, it's coming, just hang on for another century or ten. According to the ideologues.

You don't know why they didn't go to the moon. You're making an assumption. They were the first to put a satellite in space. It could be they didn't see any reason to go to the moon (in reality there wasn't a good one). What you seem to fail to understand is that the moon trip was a propaganda stunt, which was why it was visible. The Americans do all kinds of covert things. Except for PR there was no real reason to go to the moon except to convince the Americans of their superiority and to do that it had to be public.

As for communism I'm no fan but I don't like short little answers like it didn't work either. By many estimations and measures capitalism is a worse failure.
 

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You don't know why they didn't go to the moon. You're making an assumption. They were the first to put a satellite in space. It could be they didn't see any reason to go to the moon (in reality there wasn't a good one). What you seem to fail to understand is that the moon trip was a propaganda stunt, which was why it was visible. The Americans do all kinds of covert things. Except for PR there was no real reason to go to the moon except to convince the Americans of their superiority and to do that it had to be public.

As for communism I'm no fan but I don't like short little answers like it didn't work either. By many estimations and measures capitalism is a worse failure.

I read about this, the Soviets couldn't do it, they had plans to send a rocket around the moon and return back to Earth. Piffle. Yet, had they done this and Americans not landed on the moon, it would have been a coup.

There was a major PR reason to go to the moon. In the 1960s the Cold War was raging. The Cuban Missile was one example. By landing a man on the moon, the US showed the West was stronger against communism. It was a colossal victory. The USSR was a big red machine in those days and they got knocked down a serious peg. The shock of Sputnik was forgotten.

Being first matters sometimes, as does winning. The space race is over and history knows who won. A milestone in the grand scheme of things. It is only considered the greatest technological achievement ever.