Apocalypse in 2012

Tyr
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Should we be stocking up on survival gear now?

Just as "Y2K" and its batch of predictions about the year 2000 have become a distant memory, here comes "Twenty-twelve."
The sun shines through the door of the Seven Dolls Temple, in the Maya ruins of Dzibilchaltun in Mexico.





Fueled by a crop of books, Web sites with countdown clocks, and claims about ancient timekeepers, interest is growing in what some see as the dawn of a new era, and others as an expiration date for Earth: December 21, 2012.
The date marks the end of a 5,126-year cycle on the Long Count calendar developed by the Maya, the ancient civilization known for its advanced understanding of astronomy and for the great cities it left behind in Mexico and Central America.
(Some scholars believe the cycle ends a bit later -- on December 23, 2012.)

Speculation in some circles about whether the Maya chose this particular time because they thought something ominous would happen has sparked a number of doomsday theories.

The hype also has mainstream Maya scholars shaking their heads.
"There's going to be a whole generation of people who, when they think of the Maya, think of 2012, and to me that's just criminal," said David Stuart, director of the Mesoamerica Center at the University of Texas at Austin.
"There is no serious scholar who puts any stock in the idea that the Maya said anything meaningful about 2012."

But take the fact that December 21, 2012, coincides with the winter solstice, add claims the Maya picked the time period because it also marks an alignment of the sun with the center of the Milky Way galaxy, and you have the makings of an online sensation.
 
lone wolf
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If they were that good at predicting, they might have seen their own demise.
 
Ron in Regina
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It is still very interesting how that date keeps popping up independently from
so many different directions.....from modern stock market prediction programs
to the Mayan calandar.
 
TenPenny
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In that case,just send me all of your money. Since the world's going to end, you don't need it. I promise I'll look after it.
 
Praxius
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Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

If they were that good at predicting, they might have seen their own demise.

Yeah I keep thinking that as well.... sure they had some impressive structures and sure they were advance for their era..... they were still humans and humans make all sorts of mistakes....... and since they're already wiped out for whatever reason, I'd say their doomsday has already long past.

And besides, as I mentioned in a previous thread about this subject, there has been a hell of a lot more doomsday predictions then just Y2K..... check this site out for some of the other predictions that never came true:

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List of past Doomsday Predictions:
http://www.abhota.info/end1.htm
http://www.2think.org/hundredsheep/s...dictions.shtml
http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl2.htm
ca. 2800 BC
According to Isaac Asimov's Book of Facts (1979), an Assyrian clay tablet dating to approximately 2800 BC was unearthed bearing the words "Our earth is degenerate in these latter days. There are signs that the world is speedily coming to an end. Bribery and corruption are common." This is one of the earliest examples of the perception of moral decay in society being interpreted as a sign of the imminent end.
634 BC
Apocalyptic thinking gripped many ancient cultures, including the Romans. Early in Rome's history, many Romans feared that the city would be destroyed in the 120th year of its founding. There was a myth that 12 eagles had revealed to Romulus a mystical number representing the lifetime of Rome, and some early Romans hypothesized that each eagle...

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Sep 23, 1186
John of Toledo, after calculating that a planetary alignment would occur in Libra on September 23, 1186 (Julian calendar), circulated a letter (known as the "Letter of Toledo") warning that the world was to going to be destroyed on this date, and that only a few people would survive. (Randi p.236)

Feb 14, 1420
Czech Doomsday prophet Martinek Hausha (Martin Huska) of the radical Taborite movement warned that the world would end in February 1420, February 14 at the latest. The Taborites were an offshoot of the Hussite movement of Bohemia. (McIver #71, Shaw p.43)

ca. 1555
Around the year 1400, the French theologian Pierre d'Ailly wrote that 6845 years of human history had already passed, and the end of the world would be in the 7000th year. His works would later influence the apocalyptic thinking of Christopher Columbus. (McIver #72)

1657
Final apocalyptic battle and the destruction of the Antichrist were to take place between 1655 and 1657, as per the Fifth Monarchy Men, a radical group of English millenarians who attempted to take over Parliament to impose their extremist theocratic agenda on the country. Not unlike the Christian Coalition of modern-day America! (Kyle p.67)

1666
As this date is 1000 (millennium) + 666 (number of the Beast) and followed a period of war and strife in England, many Londoners feared that 1666 would be the end of the world. The Great Fire of London in 1666 did not help to alleviate these fears. (Schwartz p.87, Kyle p.67-68
Sabbatai Zevi recalculated the coming of the Messiah to 1666. Despite his failed prophecies, he had accumulated a great many followers. He was later arrested for stirring up trouble, and given the choice of converting to Islam or execution. Pragmatic man that he was, he wisely elected for the former. (Festinger)

1700
• The end of the world, according to some Puritans. (Kyle p.79)
• John Napier's doomsday calculation #2, based on the Book of Daniel. (Weber p.92)
• The date of the Second Coming, according to Henry Archer, a Fifth Monarchy Man. Archer made this prediction in his 1642 book The Personall Reign of Christ Upon Earth. (McIver #158 )

1891 or before:
On 1835-FEB-14, Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon church, attended a meeting of church leaders. He said that the meeting had been called because God had commanded it. He announced that Jesus would return within 56 years -- i.e. before 1891-FEB-15. (History of the Church 2:182)

1914
was one of the more important estimates of the start of the war of Armageddon by the Jehovah's Witnesses (Watchtower Bible and Tract Society). They based their prophecy of 1914 from prophecy in the book of Daniel, Chapter 4. The writings referred to "seven times". The WTS interpreted each "time" as equal to 360 days, giving a total of 2520 days. This was further interpreted as representing 2520 years, measured from the starting date of 607 --. This gave 1914 as the target date. When 1914 passed, they changed their prediction; 1914 became the year that Jesus invisibly began his rule.

1919:
Meteorologist Albert Porta predicted that the conjunction of 6 planets would generate a magnetic current that would cause the sun to explode and engulf the earth on DEC-17.

1948:
During this year, the state of Israel was founded. Some Christians believed that this event was the final prerequisite for the second coming of Jesus. Various end of the world predictions were made in the range 1888 to 2048.

1953-AUG:
David Davidson wrote a book titled "The Great Pyramid, Its Divine Message". In it, he predicted that the world would end in 1953-AUG.

1960:
Piazzi Smyth, a past astronomer royal of Scotland, wrote a book circa 1860 titled "Our Inheritance in the Great Pyramid." It was responsible for spreading the belief in pyramidology throughout the world. This is the belief that secrets are hidden in the dimensions of the great pyramids. He concluded from his research that the millennium would start before the end of 1960 CE.

1967:
During the six day war, the Israeli army captured all of Jerusalem. Many conservative Christians believed that the rapture would occur quickly. However, the final Biblical prerequisite for the second coming is that the Jews resume ritual animal sacrifices in the temple at Jerusalem. That never happened.

1980:
Leland Jensen leader of a -- group, predicted that a nuclear disaster would happen in 1980. This would be followed by two decades of conflict, ending in the establishment of God's Kingdom on earth.

1982:
Astronomers John Gribben & Setphen Plagemann predicted the "Jupiter Effect" in 1974. They wrote that when various planets were aligned on the same side of the sun, tidal forces would create solar flares, radio interruptions, rainfall and temperature disturbances and massive earthquakes. The planets did align as seen from earth, as they do regularly. Nothing unusual happened.

1986:
Moses David of -- faith group predicted that the Battle of Armageddon would take place in 1986. Russia would defeat Israel and the United States. A worldwide Communist dictatorship would be established. In 1993, Christ would return to earth.

1987 to 2000:
Lester Sumrall, in his 1987 book "I Predict 2000 AD" predicted that Jerusalem would be the richest city on Earth, that the Common Market would rule Europe, and that there would be a nuclear war involving Russia and perhaps the U.S. Also, he prophesized that the greatest Christian revival in the history of the church would happen: all during the last 13 years of the 20th century. All of the predictions failed.

1988 CT-11:
Edgar Whisenaut, a NASA scientist, had published the book "88 Reasons why the Rapture will Occur in 1988." It sold over 4 million copies.

^ Not to mention the Y2k stuff...... when you add up all of these various predictions of when the world is going to end, and you compare all of their success rates, which is Zero..... chances are that this Aztec prediction with be completely wrong too.
 
Vereya
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I wonder if a thought has occured to anyone - probably the ancient Maya have just given up making their calendar? Maybe they have got tired of it, and decided that their descendants will go on with it?
 
EagleSmack
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Where is Quandry when you need him. Those two could have played together.
 
s_lone
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All that is going on in 2012 is an alignment between the Earth, the Sun and the center of the Milky Way. Big deal... If we rely on what science knows about how the universe works, there isn't much to worry about.

Whether you believe 2012 is a meaningful year or not depends on this question. Do you believe what happens in the celestial realms is connected to the human realm beyond material causality? In other words, is there some form of meaningful synchronicity between astronomical events and human events?

Synchronicity is not the same thing as causality.

For a better understanding of the idea of synchronicity, read this:

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The Mayan calendar doesn't "end" in 2012, it just resets in the same way an old chronometer at 99.99 would reset back to 00.00... Whether this is meaningful or not in terms of human events depends on how much you are willing to consider the idea of astrology because in the end, all the hype about 2012 really just is based on some astrological interpretation of an astronomical event.
 
Unforgiven
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These people crack me up. I had a guy telling me all about our impending peril just the other day. Not only that but it seems that everything that has ever happened is some secret plot in the works manipulated by shadowy people behind the scenes.

Combined with the world ending in 2012 we're all to have little computer chips inserted into us so that we don't need bank cards or ID anymore.

Is critical thinking impossible for some people?
 
lone wolf
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...and my horoscope said....
 
Praxius
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Quote: Originally Posted by s_loneView Post

All that is going on in 2012 is an alignment between the Earth, the Sun and the center of the Milky Way. Big deal... If we rely on what science knows about how the universe works, there isn't much to worry about.

Whether you believe 2012 is a meaningful year or not depends on this question. Do you believe what happens in the celestial realms is connected to the human realm beyond material causality? In other words, is there some form of meaningful synchronicity between astronomical events and human events?

Synchronicity is not the same thing as causality.

For a better understanding of the idea of synchronicity, read this:

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The Mayan calendar doesn't "end" in 2012, it just resets in the same way an old chronometer at 99.99 would reset back to 00.00... Whether this is meaningful or not in terms of human events depends on how much you are willing to consider the idea of astrology because in the end, all the hype about 2012 really just is based on some astrological interpretation of an astronomical event.

Good point....

Another point would be..... has any human in history ever witnessed a string of planets or solar system destroying itself simply because the planets aligned? Through all of our technology, all of our various telescopes and all of our study through the centuries up until today..... when did anybody ever come to a factual conclusion of a solar system or one planet out of a collective some how losing its orbit or exploding, or anything else out of the ordinary, from simply hitting an alignment point in the orbital cycle?

None that I'm aware of.

So where do these people get the idea that somehow as soon as all of the planets align, everything's going to goto hell?

I'm pretty sure they all aligned numerous times in the past, long before humans even existed..... the planets are still around, they're still orbiting the sun.......

And you know what?

hundreds of years down the road, everybody will completely forget about all of this 2012 prediction stuff and will be predicting 3012, or 4012..... or 4040, or 3210 AD.....

In the end, no matter what we all believe, we each will face our own doom through any given amount of time on this planet..... from a comet smacking us all.... from old age, a car accident, cancer, farting to long and too hard..... whatever....
 
#juan
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When I lived on Gabriola Island I had a neighbor who had a computer tech in his house for almost a full day getting his computer ready for Y2K. My neighbor and I had already talked about this earlier and I told him it was nothing but a scam but Hienz wouldn't here of it.......He happily paid close to $3000.00 for his ignorance.
 
Praxius
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Quote: Originally Posted by UnforgivenView Post

These people crack me up. I had a guy telling me all about our impending peril just the other day. Not only that but it seems that everything that has ever happened is some secret plot in the works manipulated by shadowy people behind the scenes.

Combined with the world ending in 2012 we're all to have little computer chips inserted into us so that we don't need bank cards or ID anymore.

Is critical thinking impossible for some people?

40 some odd years ago, people thought star trek communicators, space travel and all that junk was limited only to the imagination.

I imagine someday down the road we'll just be able to swipe our hand or flick our eye to pass along information..... but not by 2012 in any main stream fashion..... and the end of the world as we know it and the take over of the New World Order doesn't seem to be happening anytime soon.

Afterall, Bush never called his Martial Law before he left power..... life goes on.

I guess i owe Eagle a Coke.
 
Praxius
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Quote: Originally Posted by #juanView Post

When I lived on Gabriola Island I had a neighbor who had a computer tech in his house for almost a full day getting his computer ready for Y2K. My neighbor and I had already talked about this earlier and I told him it was nothing but a scam but Hienz wouldn't here of it.......He happily paid close to $3000.00 for his ignorance.

What a dumbass.... I just turned on my computer the next day and everything was normal.... I didn't do a thing for Y2K.

Then again, if something did happen, I'd be the dumbass now wouldn't I?

Them's the breaks
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by PraxiusView Post

40 some odd years ago, people thought star trek communicators, space travel and all that junk was limited only to the imagination.

I imagine someday down the road we'll just be able to swipe our hand or flick our eye to pass along information..... but not by 2012 in any main stream fashion..... and the end of the world as we know it and the take over of the New World Order doesn't seem to be happening anytime soon.

Afterall, Bush never called his Martial Law before he left power..... life goes on.

I guess i owe Eagle a Coke.

My favorite beverage.
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by PraxiusView Post

What a dumbass.... I just turned on my computer the next day and everything was normal.... I didn't do a thing for Y2K.

Then again, if something did happen, I'd be the dumbass now wouldn't I?

Them's the breaks

People made a flipping fortune before Y2K. Most companies chalked up these expeditures and said if they hadn't preempted the so called Y2K bug things would have happened. However many small businesses did nothing and everything worked Jan 1, 2000. I didn't do a thing either and my PC worked fine.
 
Praxius
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

People made a flipping fortune before Y2K. Most companies chalked up these expeditures and said if they hadn't preempted the so called Y2K bug things would have happened. However many small businesses did nothing and everything worked Jan 1, 2000. I didn't do a thing either and my PC worked fine.

Indeed.... it might have been a problem if say all the banks and companies were still running old Commadores around 1999 or something, but all the computers that had those issues have been replaced pretty much before Windows 95 came out (coming out with the new OS's with the end of the decade coming soon would have made logical sense to make them compatible with the turn of the century.)

I'm pretty sure this whole Y2K fearmongering over baseless assumptions was what helped create the next big terror to the world..... Global Warming..... OooOoooOooooo.....

And I'm sure as soon as there's no question about how the planet is starting to freeze up to normal again, the Global Warmongers will spout off much of the same as the Y2K people, in that all their claims and attempts to get everybody to suck up all their products and fancy lights was what made the difference in preventing Global Warming....... even though the same people said it'd take 30-40 years of continual change for any effect to occur.
 
darkbeaver
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Quote: Originally Posted by UnforgivenView Post

These people crack me up. I had a guy telling me all about our impending peril just the other day. Not only that but it seems that everything that has ever happened is some secret plot in the works manipulated by shadowy people behind the scenes.

Combined with the world ending in 2012 we're all to have little computer chips inserted into us so that we don't need bank cards or ID anymore.

Is critical thinking impossible for some people?

You proove it conclusivly in my opinion.
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by PraxiusView Post

Indeed.... it might have been a problem if say all the banks and companies were still running old Commadores around 1999 or something, but all the computers that had those issues have been replaced pretty much before Windows 95 came out (coming out with the new OS's with the end of the decade coming soon would have made logical sense to make them compatible with the turn of the century.)

I'm pretty sure this whole Y2K fearmongering over baseless assumptions was what helped create the next big terror to the world..... Global Warming..... OooOoooOooooo.....

And I'm sure as soon as there's no question about how the planet is starting to freeze up to normal again, the Global Warmongers will spout off much of the same as the Y2K people, in that all their claims and attempts to get everybody to suck up all their products and fancy lights was what made the difference in preventing Global Warming....... even though the same people said it'd take 30-40 years of continual change for any effect to occur.

I wonder if you plug in a Commodore without any Y2K downloads (if they even had them) would they still work. I am sure they will.

I had no idea you were part of the non-global warming crowd. Am I correct?
 
darkbeaver
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The cosmological science of many ancient people was quite accurate. Now you can believe in the timeless steady passivity of the solar system if you must or you can exercise criticle thinking and apply it to that same standard commercial model of the system, as you should if indeed you were a critical thinker.
When and if you get arround to it you will be entertained magnificently.
As far as I know all the Mayans and other users of thier famous long count calendar ever said was it marked the end of one cycle and the beginning of the next. What the alignment physically means is open to exploration.
I'd be looking for falling skys personally. Big chunks delivered with predictability afforded by millinea of precise observation and record aught not to be confused with holly-wood or guesswork. The Oort cloud is an interesting place to begin--
 
Praxius
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

I wonder if you plug in a Commodore without any Y2K downloads (if they even had them) would they still work. I am sure they will.

I had no idea you were part of the non-global warming crowd. Am I correct?

I used to be back when I was a little kid in the 80's when the original Global Warming crap was being dished out..... then it went all hush hush for a while until Gore decided to stick his wang in the pie and shake all over the place. Then it was the same old crap and same old predictions that were supposed to occur in the mid-90's..... they never happened and now you hear no mention of those times..... in their own actions and two-facing I lost faith in their ability to speak the truth and thus, I think the whole thing is a sham.

It is good for us to take care of the planet, and it's a good thing to recycle and reduce the pollution we create, not just for the benifit of other living creatures on this planet, but for ourselves...... but this global warmongering with so many holes in their calculations and ommiting of some key factors has ruined me when it comes to support.

The main factor for this was that when I was growing up, by 1996, New York was supposed to be under 7 meters of ocean because of the ice caps being completely melted at this time. (That would mean where I live, Nova Scotia, we'd be under the same amount of water, if not more.) ~ As a kid, that's something you don't forget, esspecially when it comes to your impending doom in 5-7 years.

It hasn't happened yet, and now they're trying to push it to 30-40 years from now..... now they're talking about global cooling which will push it even further...... AKA: They're full of sh*t and haven't a damn clue what they're talking about.
 
TenPenny
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Quote: Originally Posted by #juanView Post

When I lived on Gabriola Island I had a neighbor who had a computer tech in his house for almost a full day getting his computer ready for Y2K. My neighbor and I had already talked about this earlier and I told him it was nothing but a scam but Hienz wouldn't here of it.......He happily paid close to $3000.00 for his ignorance.

I remember doing a flash BIOS upgrade, which cost....nothing.
 
Unforgiven
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Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

You proove it conclusivly in my opinion.

Since when did you start needing proof of anything? As a matter of fact I seem to remember that you let somone pee in your hair to make you grow taller two weeks ago. Did you post that here or at that other forum?
 
darkbeaver
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Quote: Originally Posted by UnforgivenView Post

Since when did you start needing proof of anything? As a matter of fact I seem to remember that you let somone pee in your hair to make you grow taller two weeks ago. Did you post that here or at that other forum?

It was to grow hair wasn't it? I can't remember.
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by PraxiusView Post


It hasn't happened yet, and now they're trying to push it to 30-40 years from now..... now they're talking about global cooling which will push it even further...... AKA: They're full of sh*t and haven't a damn clue what they're talking about.

LMAO. Agreed.

I am sure though we are going to get a bunch of graphs and numbers thrown at us now.
 
Praxius
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

LMAO. Agreed.

I am sure though we are going to get a bunch of graphs and numbers thrown at us now.

Oh for sure, everytime.... it's like ying and yang man, just you see.
 
JLM
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Back around the 1600s someone figured the calendar was out of whack with the seasons so did an adjustment so the predictions of all the early scholars have to be adjusted accordingly. Can't remember how much it was for sure.........maybe nine or ten days.
 
lone wolf
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The human body was supposed to disintegrate at speeds above a mile a minute ... then beyond the speed of sound. How fast to things have to get?
 
MHz
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Quote: Originally Posted by TyrView Post

Should we be stocking up on survival gear now?

That might work if you are hiding from men, if you are trying to hide from God He is going to laugh and then kill you (if you deserve it).
 
Stretch
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I posted a similar thread awhile back and was deemed to be nuts........suffer

oh, ps
dont forget the yellowstone grumblings
 

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