#1Jan 6th, 2009
Fighting in Hockey
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Re: Fighting in Hockey
Jan 6th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Spade
Yeah, it would sure be nice to see hockey games won by sheer hockey skills, skating, passing, shooting, but to be realistic I doubt if it's going to happen unless the penalties are made severe. I'd like to see at least a one game suspension for instigating a fight but I guess it's that kind of mentality that sells tickets and these days money is the bottom line- no such thing as sportsmanship anymore.Will the death of the OHA Whitby Dunlops' Don Sanderson lead to the banning of fighting in hockey? Click -- for the Whitby Dunlops web page.
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Re: Fighting in Hockey
Jan 6th, 2009
Fighting is what killed the NHL on USA television. Heck, even senior bowling got higher ratings than the Stanley Cup Championship.
In my years of watching NHL (which, thankfully, I don't do anymore) I've seen a player get killed, another have his eye gouged out, several rendered unconscious by sticks or by fists, two stabbed in the face or forehead by skates, several riots, and many deliberately caused injuries!
If you want to call that 'sport', help yourself. I call it pathetic as do most Yanks nowadays.
Meantime, when Olympic ice hockey comes along, I'll gladly watch as you would be hard pressed to find a sport that involves more skill and athleticism. That's what I like!!
In my years of watching NHL (which, thankfully, I don't do anymore) I've seen a player get killed, another have his eye gouged out, several rendered unconscious by sticks or by fists, two stabbed in the face or forehead by skates, several riots, and many deliberately caused injuries!
If you want to call that 'sport', help yourself. I call it pathetic as do most Yanks nowadays.
Meantime, when Olympic ice hockey comes along, I'll gladly watch as you would be hard pressed to find a sport that involves more skill and athleticism. That's what I like!!
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Re: Fighting in Hockey
Jan 6th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by gopher
What player was killed, Gopher? I can't recall any NHL players who have died in-game in recent memory.Fighting is what killed the NHL on USA television. Heck, even senior bowling got higher ratings than the Stanley Cup Championship.
In my years of watching NHL (which, thankfully, I don't do anymore) I've seen a player get killed, another have his eye gouged out, several rendered unconscious by sticks or by fists, two stabbed in the face or forehead by skates, several riots, and many deliberately caused injuries!
If you want to call that 'sport', help yourself. I call it pathetic as do most Yanks nowadays.
Meantime, when Olympic ice hockey comes along, I'll gladly watch as you would be hard pressed to find a sport that involves more skill and athleticism. That's what I like!!
Who do you think fills the US & Canadian olympic teams, Gopher? NHL players... go back to commenting on basbeall, ignorant yank.
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Jan 6th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by gopher
You just ain't whistling Dixie there, Gopher, the fighting is just getting too ridiculous, but I can't see it stopping any time soon. Been trying to think who it was that got killed, but that escapes me now. There's probably been several, but most of them take a few years and probably goes down on the death certificate as "dementia".Fighting is what killed the NHL on USA television. Heck, even senior bowling got higher ratings than the Stanley Cup Championship.
In my years of watching NHL (which, thankfully, I don't do anymore) I've seen a player get killed, another have his eye gouged out, several rendered unconscious by sticks or by fists, two stabbed in the face or forehead by skates, several riots, and many deliberately caused injuries!
If you want to call that 'sport', help yourself. I call it pathetic as do most Yanks nowadays.
Meantime, when Olympic ice hockey comes along, I'll gladly watch as you would be hard pressed to find a sport that involves more skill and athleticism. That's what I like!!
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Re: Fighting in Hockey
Jan 6th, 2009
Hockey skills in the NHL?
YouTube - Mcgrattan Vs Brashear Don Cherry commentary
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Re: Fighting in Hockey
Jan 6th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Spade
Cherry's mentality is just a little lower than most of the guys who fight. I think every team needs an enforcer for things like protecting the goalie but just to fight for the sake of fighting is ridiculous. You don't see guys in a boxing match taking time out to go skating. Hockey skills in the NHL?
YouTube - Mcgrattan Vs Brashear Don Cherry commentary
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Jan 6th, 2009
Fighting is such a small part of the NHL these days, yet we have people in this thread bemoaning the loss of skills in the game etc, give your heads a shake. Compare the number of fights in the 70's & 80's compared to now, it is significantly lower. hell, lots of teams don't even employ "goons" anymore.
Hockey is a tough game, there will be fights, there will be injuries and you have about a 1 in 50 million chance of dying from it.
Hockey is a tough game, there will be fights, there will be injuries and you have about a 1 in 50 million chance of dying from it.
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Jan 6th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurka
Well, I'd go along with one in 5000 dying from it THAT DAY, but much higher like maybe one in fifty of reducing the life span.Fighting is such a small part of the NHL these days, yet we have people in this thread bemoaning the loss of skills in the game etc, give your heads a shake. Compare the number of fights in the 70's & 80's compared to now, it is significantly lower. hell, lots of teams don't even employ "goons" anymore.
Hockey is a tough game, there will be fights, there will be injuries and you have about a 1 in 50 million chance of dying from it.
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Re: Fighting in Hockey
Jan 6th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by JLM
1 in 5000? Give me a break. Well, I'd go along with one in 5000 dying from it THAT DAY, but much higher like maybe one in fifty of reducing the life span.
according to: --
"In the 2003-04 season, there were about 780 fights in 1,230 NHL games"
Going by those numbers, an NHL player would die about every 7 years due to fighting. The last goons I recall croaking at an early age was John Kordic, and that was due to him being a crack head.
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Re: Fighting in Hockey
Jan 6th, 2009
''What player was killed, Gopher? I can't recall any NHL players who have died in-game in recent memory.
Who do you think fills the US & Canadian olympic teams, Gopher? NHL players... go back to commenting on basbeall, ignorant yank.''
You obviously aren't old enough to remember the late Bill Masterson.
I may be ignorant as to the current NHL game. But I knew the game in the 60s and 70s VERY well.
Who do you think fills the US & Canadian olympic teams, Gopher? NHL players... go back to commenting on basbeall, ignorant yank.''
You obviously aren't old enough to remember the late Bill Masterson.
I may be ignorant as to the current NHL game. But I knew the game in the 60s and 70s VERY well.
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Re: Fighting in Hockey
Jan 6th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by gopher
Yeah, that was over 30 years ago. ''What player was killed, Gopher? I can't recall any NHL players who have died in-game in recent memory.
Who do you think fills the US & Canadian olympic teams, Gopher? NHL players... go back to commenting on basbeall, ignorant yank.''
You obviously aren't old enough to remember the late Bill Masterson.
I may be ignorant as to the current NHL game. But I knew the game in the 60s and 70s VERY well.
You like Lacrosse, correct Gopher? Does the fighting in lacrosse bother you?
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Re: Fighting in Hockey
Jan 6th, 2009
Also, his death had nothing to do with fighting, he was crushed with a hit, smashing his head off the ice.
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Re: Fighting in Hockey
Jan 6th, 2009
**it happens. A couple years ago a guy was hit in the chest with a puck and died of a heart attack.
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Re: Fighting in Hockey
Jan 6th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Kreskin
yup, people should stop playing sports entirely, take up proper hobbies like collecting stamps.**it happens. A couple years ago a guy was hit in the chest with a puck and died of a heart attack.
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Re: Fighting in Hockey
Jan 6th, 2009
Cherry in praise of fighting to sell the game!
YouTube - NHL on NBC - Cherry OWNS Hull
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Re: Fighting in Hockey
Jan 6th, 2009
You just ain't whistling Dixie there, Gopher, the fighting is just getting too ridiculous, but I can't see it stopping any time soon.
Any league that wants to remain financially solvent must have a good TV contract. The only network showing NHL games today in the USA is Versus and this is a small network.
Unlike the 60s and 70s, NHL hockey is no longer considered newsworthy. Names such as Bobby Orr, Brad Park, Rod Gilbert, Bobby Hull, Gordie Howe that were household names back in the day, do not have any matching hockey celebrities today. Those stars of the past couldn't walk the streets of NYC without being stopped by autograph hounds. Today, hockey players walk the streets and nobody recognizes them.
A couple of years ago Marion Gaborik of the Minnesota Wild made a public appearance in my neighborhood. Guess what -- nobody showed up. One reason being that we of the inner city resent the fact that the politicians put so much of our tax monies into pro hockey while removing funding away from our youth hockey programs. St Paul, MN used to be called 'Hockey Town, USA'. Today youth hockey is dead. This afternoon, I passed by Ken Yackel arena where I spent so many joyous hours watching youth and high school hockey. Today it is unused. What a great shame that is. And it's all because the stupid pols (and may they each go to hell for doing so) killed our youth programs in order to benefit the pros and wealthy plutocrats who pull their puppet strings.
No offense to those of you who love pro hockey. But the pols and their greed, along with certain f*ckheads from the NHL killed local amateur hockey. Nothing can quell my anger, nor that of other locals, over that.
Any league that wants to remain financially solvent must have a good TV contract. The only network showing NHL games today in the USA is Versus and this is a small network.
Unlike the 60s and 70s, NHL hockey is no longer considered newsworthy. Names such as Bobby Orr, Brad Park, Rod Gilbert, Bobby Hull, Gordie Howe that were household names back in the day, do not have any matching hockey celebrities today. Those stars of the past couldn't walk the streets of NYC without being stopped by autograph hounds. Today, hockey players walk the streets and nobody recognizes them.
A couple of years ago Marion Gaborik of the Minnesota Wild made a public appearance in my neighborhood. Guess what -- nobody showed up. One reason being that we of the inner city resent the fact that the politicians put so much of our tax monies into pro hockey while removing funding away from our youth hockey programs. St Paul, MN used to be called 'Hockey Town, USA'. Today youth hockey is dead. This afternoon, I passed by Ken Yackel arena where I spent so many joyous hours watching youth and high school hockey. Today it is unused. What a great shame that is. And it's all because the stupid pols (and may they each go to hell for doing so) killed our youth programs in order to benefit the pros and wealthy plutocrats who pull their puppet strings.
No offense to those of you who love pro hockey. But the pols and their greed, along with certain f*ckheads from the NHL killed local amateur hockey. Nothing can quell my anger, nor that of other locals, over that.
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Re: Fighting in Hockey
Jan 6th, 2009
Does the fighting in lacrosse bother you?
The NCAA does not allow fighting in lacrosse or hockey. Nor does the professional MLL.
The NCAA does not allow fighting in lacrosse or hockey. Nor does the professional MLL.
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Jan 6th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurka
No they should just play the sport for the sake of improving the skills, some of the best hockey I've seen is the young kids playing non contact hockey and they have as much fun as anyone- to enjoy bashing and getting bashed is just a sign of a low mentality. Hey, collecting stamps, great educational hobby, great teacher of geography and history.yup, people should stop playing sports entirely, take up proper hobbies like collecting stamps.
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Re: Fighting in Hockey
Jan 7th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by JLM
I'm in total agreement with you, (not about no contact hockey, but, the fighting.)I've watched hockey for many many years, andNo they should just play the sport for the sake of improving the skills, some of the best hockey I've seen is the young kids playing non contact hockey and they have as much fun as anyone- to enjoy bashing and getting bashed is just a sign of a low mentality. Hey, collecting stamps, great educational hobby, great teacher of geography and history.
been involved with all my kids, and my husband played for years.
The fighting is silly, it is mostly planned, you can see them talking to each other and making their arrangements. The fights are actually stupid looking,
they punch each other's helmets, and for the most part, hardly even land
punches, and many are on the helmet, so the knuckles get cut up.
The junior games do not allow fighting, and they were some of the most
exciting games I've seen. Of course Don Cherry would be heartbroken. He
would exclaim that if you don't let them fight they will use their sticks more,
I don't agree, just take it out of the game, the game is fast, tough, good body
checking and lots of crashing and banging, the fights are 'goofy' and a waste
of time, and seem to be allowed for entertainment only.
Throwing them out of the game would stop the fighting immediately.
I remember a few years ago, iginla got into a fight with a canuck, and he was
injured and out of the game for quite awhile, I think he hurt his leg while
trying to keep his balance, or when falling, not sure.
It puts our game into the 'roller derby' catagory, and it looks tacky.
It's amazing to me that, there is so much complaining about taking hits to the
head out of the game, yet, they let people fight and hit each other's heads.
Go figure.
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Re: Fighting in Hockey
Jan 7th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by talloola
Again your wisdom shines.I'm in total agreement with you, (not about no contact hockey, but, the fighting.)I've watched hockey for many many years, and
been involved with all my kids, and my husband played for years.
The fighting is silly, it is mostly planned, you can see them talking to each other and making their arrangements. The fights are actually stupid looking,
they punch each other's helmets, and for the most part, hardly even land
punches, and many are on the helmet, so the knuckles get cut up.
The junior games do not allow fighting, and they were some of the most
exciting games I've seen. Of course Don Cherry would be heartbroken. He
would exclaim that if you don't let them fight they will use their sticks more,
I don't agree, just take it out of the game, the game is fast, tough, good body
checking and lots of crashing and banging, the fights are 'goofy' and a waste
of time, and seem to be allowed for entertainment only.
Throwing them out of the game would stop the fighting immediately.
I remember a few years ago, iginla got into a fight with a canuck, and he was
injured and out of the game for quite awhile, I think he hurt his leg while
trying to keep his balance, or when falling, not sure.
It puts our game into the 'roller derby' catagory, and it looks tacky.
It's amazing to me that, there is so much complaining about taking hits to the
head out of the game, yet, they let people fight and hit each other's heads.
Go figure.
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Jan 7th, 2009
I noticed in the junior final that a Swede was biting a guy. Another trying to smear a players face in the ice. Is it any wonder some guys want to punch someone in the head? That garbage wouldn't happen at that level if a scrap was worth five minutes and nothing more. There were a few Swedes that needed a good swift kick in the ass.
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Jan 7th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Kreskin
Sure it would have happened, the fight would have broken out when the guysI noticed in the junior final that a Swede was biting a guy. Another trying to smear a players face in the ice. Is it any wonder some guys want to punch someone in the head? That garbage wouldn't happen at that level if a scrap was worth five minutes and nothing more. There were a few Swedes that needed a good swift kick in the ass.
face got smeared into the ice.
And, kids that age are so full of testerone, that if they were allowed to fight,
there would have been many many fights at that tournament.
That wouldn't add to it quality of the tournament at all, it would pull it
down to a lower level.
The height of excitement of that tournament was great, without a fight.
I've never seen a swedish team play in this manner, I was thinking that they
purposly planned this type of play to be more like the canadians, and they
did a very bad job of it. They are usually very talented and smooth players,
not sure why they chose to ruin that image.
I remember going to the new westminster bruins junior games long ago, and
they had 'some' fights, I must say, usually ended up as brawls. I'm very glad
that is a thing of the past now, as there are families at those games, young
kids who are players, little girls and wives, can't think of anything positive
by having a mixed group like that having to sit there and witness that kind
of behavior.
Actually not sure if it is a thing of the past, maybe it is just international
hockey that bans fighting, but I'm glad, and I am an avid hockey fan who
loves the game, not the fights.
I've always noticed how the fighting seem to rile up the crowd, many people
really enjoy it, watching two people (or more) punching each others heads
in, seeing the blood flow, there are other sports that call for that type
of action, not hockey.
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Re: Fighting in Hockey
Jan 7th, 2009
"I've always noticed how the fighting seem to rile up the crowd, many people
really enjoy it, watching two people (or more) punching each others heads
in, seeing the blood flow, there are other sports that call for that type
of action, not hockey."- Yep, unfortunately, some of the fan's mentality is worse than that of the players, there has to be a valid reason why Don Cherry earns the big bucks. It's a fact that a lot of people agree with his mentality.
really enjoy it, watching two people (or more) punching each others heads
in, seeing the blood flow, there are other sports that call for that type
of action, not hockey."- Yep, unfortunately, some of the fan's mentality is worse than that of the players, there has to be a valid reason why Don Cherry earns the big bucks. It's a fact that a lot of people agree with his mentality.
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Jan 7th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by gopher
--Does the fighting in lacrosse bother you?
The NCAA does not allow fighting in lacrosse or hockey. Nor does the professional MLL.
Wrong, gopher. I have been to many NLL games and have seen plenty of fights.
"The National Lacrosse League has accepted this situation. In the past couple years the league has tried to limit fights and hold them to one-on-one fisticuffs rather than bench-clearing riots. Teams are allowed to dress just 15 runners a game so there isn't much room for goons like there is in Canadian boxla, where most of the NLL's players come from. Referees have been urged to cut off fights before they happen if situations warrant it. Players earn automatic 5-minute major penalties for fighting, the second of which brings a game misconduct ejection, and instigation, aggression, face masking and roughing charges can bloat time in the penalty box."
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Jan 7th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by JLM
I agree that fighting should not be a part of a minor hockey, developing skill and having fun should be the first business of order. I personally don't care for the fighting at the NHL level, it's rather boring but it is part of the game. There needs to be a response when you have agitators & dirty players talking cheap shots at your best players.No they should just play the sport for the sake of improving the skills, some of the best hockey I've seen is the young kids playing non contact hockey and they have as much fun as anyone- to enjoy bashing and getting bashed is just a sign of a low mentality. Hey, collecting stamps, great educational hobby, great teacher of geography and history.
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Re: Fighting in Hockey
Jan 7th, 2009
I watched the Junior World Championships. With skills and desire at those levels, the NHL wouldn't need fighting to market its product! Of course, to sell the game in Tampa Bay or Fort Lauderdale, well....
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Jan 7th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurka
Once again you spew nonsense. yup, people should stop playing sports entirely, take up proper hobbies like collecting stamps.
Fighting has no place in hockey. What other sport condones it? The NFL, CFL, NBA, NASCAR automatically hand out game suspensions for fighting. Soccer, cricket, rugby, lawn bowling, darts, etc etc leagues do not allow fighting. The NHL could ban fighting if they wanted to. Like what someone posted elsewherfe in this thread, fighting is killing hockey. The only one promoting fighting in the NHL is Don Cherry, and he has an interest in selling his videos. Sure some blood thirsty fans want to see fights just as there are sickos who want to see big wrecks in auto races. There is no place for goons any more. If players and teams had skill, they wouldn't have to resort to fighting and other boorish actions to try to win...
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