Quote: Originally Posted by karrie
as a side ponder....
I can't help but feel to a certain degree that men have been programmed in recent decades to believe that women's rights are granted only through the removal of status from others, and that they supersede all else in all other ways.
It had nothing to do with gender.... if I had to squeeze a baby out of my penis hole, I'd be fighting for the same rights..... it just so happens this situaiton revolves around women.
My reasoning is based around those currently living, who currently have a life, who can function independantly on their own, who have their own consciousness.
That a human fetus, with a human brain, functioning like any other human brain, a beating heart, moving limbs, scientific proof of dreaming, would be brushed off as something less than human, less than alive, 'just incase' will never cease to blow me away.
Well be prepared to be blown away by this as well:
The brain, heart and limbs that move are not complete, they are in progress of development.... if they wernt, then they're ready to be born if fully developed. Just because it looks like a human and has all the parts of a human, doesn't mean it can survive like a human without the resources it takes from the mother.
See my life support example above.
By all means, show me the proof of "dreaming."
I know there will be electronic signals being transfered through the brain at a certain stage of development, because all these parts need to be biologically tested and developed in order to reach the point of a fully developed human. This can be related to muscle twitching and growth..... these signals all need to be active and functioning in order for development to continue.....
..... but that doesn't mean there is consciousness.