Quote: Originally Posted by Just the Facts
"Wipe them off the map", "tear them out of the pages of time", "eliminate the regime"....what's the difference. It's just semantics. Iran has it out for for Israel. Just ask them. Why defend Iran from a posture it's proud of?
Funny I thought I already explained this not actually being semantics.
Me saying I'm going to kill you with a pick axe isn't the same as me saying I hope you get killed by a pick axe. One is a threat, the other is wishful thinking.
Not that I want you killed by a pick axe, that was just an example to relate to the above.
Projection much? Israel wouldn't be threatening to attack Iran if Iran wasn't threateneing to attack Israel, and by proxy, already did attack Israel. Plus, Israel is only threatening to attack Iran's nuclear capability, not wipe them off the map. ...er, sorry, I mean eliminate them from the pages of history.
Nobody ever said Iran would directly wipe them off the map or directly wipe them from the pages of time..... and besides, the comment about the pages of time was referenced only in regards to the current government of Israel because they are against any level headed negotiations with their neighbors and are continually causing all the crap that is happening over there.
Here's the offical explination accepted by many who can actually see things for what they are, not what fearmongering can imply:
.......On 26 October 2005 Ahmadinejad gave a speech at a conference in Tehran entitled "World Without Zionism". According to widely published translations, he agreed with a statement he attributed to Ayatollah Khomeini that the "occupying regime" had to be removed, and referred to it as a "disgraceful stain [on] the Islamic world", that needed to be "wiped from the pages of history.".......
....... Dr. Juan Cole, a professor of modern Middle Eastern and South Asian history at the University of Michigan, has argued that Ahmadinejad was not calling for the destruction of Israel, “Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to wipe Israel off the map because no such idiom exists in Persian.” Dr. Stephen Walt, a professor of international affairs at Harvard University has said “I don’t think he is inciting to genocide." According to Gawdat Bahgat, Director of Center for Middle Eastern Studies at Indiana University of Pennsylvania, "the fiery calls to destroy Israel are meant to mobilize domestic and regional constituencies" and that "Rhetoric aside, most analysts agree that the Islamic Republic and the Jewish state are not likely to engage in a military confrontation against each other."......
I have even heard various quotes from Ahmadinejad saying that he has nothing against jews or the people currently living in Israel, but he has an issue with what has occured to those in Palestine.
What was his solution?
Quote: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (external - login to view)
......When CNN (external - login to view)'s Larry King (external - login to view) asked Ahmadinejad "does Israel remain Israel" in his version of the Middle East, Ahmadinejad suggested that throughout the Palestinian territories free elections for all be conducted under the supervision of international organizations. Ahmadinejad suggested that "..we must allow free elections to happen in Palestine under the supervision of the United Nations. And the Palestinian people, the displaced Palestinian people, or whoever considers Palestine its land, can participate in free elections. And then whatever happens as a result could happen."
^ Seems like a far cry from wanting to destroy and kill everybody living in Israel.
And if he really wanted that to occur, then why is there only one real quote everybody hangs off of to support the claim, and there has been no other besides this misquote and faulty translation?
Why are we not hearing continual banter about wanting to destroy Israel?
Because they got some negitive attention from the first time?
When has negitive attention ever stopped Iran from doing what it wanted? (Hostage crisis for example)
The fact is, is that both the US and Israel want to pick a fight, they want to cause another war, which is why many in the middle east hate Israel's government in the first place, because they make it continually difficult to reach any kind of peace or negotiations..... so then someone says they would like to see the government be removed as it is continually creating a stain in the area and nothing is getting done...... but somehow, that got spun into them wanting to destroy everybody living in Israel.
So now seriously..... look back on all that has occured:
Who has been keeping the attack and war talk going on so far?
Israel..... the US. Iran and it's president have clearly stated they have no intentions of starting any form of war with anybody at this time.
And their seeking of nuclear power?
They are completely within their rights to seek it, and if it will help them get off of their coal/oil dependancies, I'd think that'd be a good thing.
But then again, if Israel and the US keep talking about attacking them, I'd be starting to think about nuclear arms for defense as well....... but then who started that?
Israel..... the US.