Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack
Facts are never facts? Good one.
That's your exact mentality you are expressing, it is not I doing the good one on this..... that's your basic excuse as to why you have yet to provide any shred of information to counter anything presented thus far in this thread..... much like many of the other threads in the past.
Oh please. If you don't want to get flack from people then don't post. If you want to debate then fine but if every argument or debate has to resort to this then zip it.
Please indeed..... if you want to actually look like you're doing any form of debate, then back up what you claim... I have done so and more.... I have yet to see you supply on shred of information of evidence for anything you argue for/against.... oh that's right, because you always have an excuse to not supply anything..... probably because you don't have a damn thing to back anything up in the first place.
And what you're giving in this thread isn't anything close to flack but simple straw grasping with nothing to back it up.
After so long when only one person is putting effort into a debate while the other just sits there and doesn't do anything but shout comments from the peanut gallery, it's not a debate, it's just a joke.
Well if that is your point why even bring the numbers game into it?
Um... gee.... to back up the main claims I was focusing on in order to prove the point that what I am stating is overall true.... so I don't sound like you.
We don't bother to keep body counts because as we found out they are irrelevant and give propaganda to the other side.
Exactly. You don't want to keep body counts and be responsible for your actions because it's not good for business and to keep people thinking the war is doing something good..... it's to avoid the actual truth, and when the truth finally comes out, you can attempt to dispute it because you didn't keep records in the first place.
And if you think civilians and thousands of others who have died because of your actions are irrelevent, then that also just confirms more of what I have been saying.
Who brought the numbers up?
Who asked for them?
Opinion based on Truth.
Of course something is wrong...we're in a war.
And who's fault is that?
Geez...that numbers thing got to you.
No Prax...the US wants this war to go on and on and we want to kill a trillion...mostly women and children first. Feel better?
My feelings are irrelevent, but what you explain follows directly along with your nation's current actions, so what is everybody else to believe?
Typical response...was it? You expected that? Doubtful.
Doubt it all you want, it was predictable. I have been shatting all over the education system in the US, Bush's No Child Left Behind BS, the lack of funding, and everything else that has been focused mostly in the elementary/high schools of the US. It was only a matter of time before you attempted to generalize my past comments and try to use them against the above example of a university study done in the US, which had no relation whatsoever to any of my past comments, that I purposely left out my previous comment I was going to add to correct you before you even began.... but I figured I'd just see if you would... and you did.
And now you doubt that I could predict that? Typical Repetitive Responses in past encounters made the prediction quite easy I must say.
Oh so our mostly liberal secondary education system is top notch because they tend to lean towards your thinking. However eveyone of those kids including the proffesors came from our primary education system and suddenly got smart.
That just shows your own education level, as you should have been aware that every year that goes by, more and more forign students are filling in the empty spaces of your universities because in recent years, students have been dropping out, failing their grades and pretty well.... left behind in the last 8 or so years in high school.
And I never said your schools were so dumbed down for decades.... just recently the plans put in place made schools either force people out of school, failed them out of school, or otherwise drop expectations to 0.1 in order to pass more people in the class, thereby getting more funding.... this has just been recent trends in the US, not forever.
You guys were smart, but things are going down hill now.... and it's because of people like Bush who have squandered your education system down the drain. The Universities are not as hard hit, because they're not in the same system and get their money directly from the students coming in.
So once again.... predictable..... and your assumption was still wrong.
Point was proven. You just don't like it.
Um.... no.... you haven't made any point yet, except to argue any commonly accepted information predented to you. You have yet to explain anything worthwhile, let alone to back it up with anything other then your own assumptions.... you haven't even bothered to supply any practical information to refute the existing arguments and information.
So once again, no you haven't proven anything and you haven't presented any point thus far.
I would have if you didn't add that anything I send you will disagree with.
You should read a bit slower.... I said I could hypothetically disagree with anything you say, just as you are doing right now..... but that doesn't mean I will just out of spite. I'm not as stone headed as many may think and many times in the past I have changed my positions and opinions when presented with new, more logical information.
But if you provide nothing, then you get nothing.
Why bother if you...before I even get the info...are saying you will disagree with whatever I get? I would have bothered but you dismissed the opposing view before being presented with what I was going to send.
My original response was from when you said this after I actually provided requested information:
"But Prax...those high numbers have been disputed over and over. Some numbers have an extreme percentage of the population killed! Iraqi Bodycount website is a fabricated site with made up numbers to suit THEIR agenda as well. Their agenda is your agenda so you buy into it."
which I responded with:
"Then again, if you have anything valid in regards to counter reports on the numbers and deaths, by all means, provide them to refute these reports.
Then again, anything you provide, I guess (hypothetically) all I have to do is say those sites are biased as well and not reliable.... so it goes both ways in that regard."
^ Notice the both ways? You just brushed off all information I provided as being some form of propaganda that I would simply believe in because it suits what I want apparently by your words..... I then replied with a counter argument showing how stupid that mentality is, because it stops a debate from even progressing because you refuse to face any challenges.
I could brush off any information you provide in the exact same manner as you did to myself..... but I won't, because I am not like you.
So by all means..... provide some of that fancy information you were going to provide before you got scared off.
Now THAT is typical of you is it not? Have you EVER been swayed in this forum with regards to your opinions on the US?
Not until your country's actions match your country's words I won't. I'll point out good things when they come along and agree with some laws, or principles within your nation and way of life, and I will also disagree..... but unless some logical information comes along that makes more sense then what I already believe in, then that's a hard thing to do.
By all means, explain why you guys felt you had a right to cross into yet another country and attack their people? Explain to me what changes or corrections have been made once you guys figured that you're killing too many civilians? Anything? Nothing? Any information to show that you guys actually give a damn?
Is there any evidence that the US actually cares and is trying its best to not harm or kill innocent people?
Is there any evidence that the US respects international laws and borders of sovereign nations?
In any other nation, if they were seeing this much death at their hands, they would be quickly changing tactics or making complete overhauls on their procedures.... either that or they simply don't think they are doing anything wrong and simply will continue doing what they are doing. Which is it?
Your opinion...we think different. It is no different than your illegal invasion of Yugoslavia.
Don't blame Canada, blame NATO.... just as you can blame NATO for why our asses are doing the exact same damn thing in Afghanistan today... if we wern't part of NATO and our leaders actually grew a pair of balls to think for themselves, we wouldn't have been in Yugoslavia or Afghanistan in the first damn place.
But once again, who got the balls rolling? Who's been leading those conflicts? Hmmm..... looking into much of the information, apparently the US had plenty of aircraft doing a good amount of bomb dropping and had a lot of involvement in the conflict as well.... the only difference is that we're open to our involvement, put it under investigation, face our actions, punish those responsible and learn from our past mistakes....
what have you guys done?
Saddams crimes pale in comparison?!
Yes they do.