'US missiles' hit Pakistan school

Praxius

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Tensions in the border region are high

BBC NEWS | South Asia | 'US missiles' hit Pakistan school

A suspected US missile strike has killed at least eight students at a religious school in north-western Pakistan, witnesses say.

The school, in North Waziristan, is close to the residence of a fugitive Taleban leader, Jalaluddin Haqqani, witnesses told the BBC Urdu Service.

At least two missiles, reportedly fired by pilotless US drones, hit the school early on Thursday.

The Pakistani army is investigating the incident. The US has made no comment.

The attack comes hours after the Pakistani parliament unanimously adopted a resolution calling on the government to defend its sovereignty and expel foreign fighters from the region.

The resolution also called upon the government to prevent the use of Pakistani territory for attacks on another country.

There have been persistent US accusations that Pakistan is not doing enough to eliminate Taleban and al-Qaeda sanctuaries in the border region.

Growing tension

Witnesses told the BBC that the missiles destroyed nearly half of the school building in the Dande Darpakhel area near Miranshah, the main town in the North Waziristan tribal region.

At least six people were injured in the attack, witnesses say. It is still not clear whether there were any foreign fighters among the dead students or whether it is linked to Mr Haqqani or his son, Sirajuddin.

Local people have said that most of the injured were local students at the seminary.

Some madrassas in Pakistan have been accused of promoting militancy.

The residential complex of Jalaluddin Haqqani was targeted in a missile attack in September. At least 14 people were killed and 15 injured.

Taleban and al-Qaeda fighters use North Waziristan and other tribal areas to launch attacks in Afghanistan.
Foreign fighters from Uzbekistan, Afghanistan and the Middle East are all thought to be based there.


In recent weeks the United States has launched many missile strikes against suspected militant targets in the Afghan border region.

Washington says the strikes are used against militant targets, but correspondents say that intelligence failures have sometimes led to civilian casualties.

Figures compiled by the BBC Urdu service show that some 80 people have been killed in a number of suspected US missile strikes in South and North Waziristan region over the past month.

Earlier in October a suspected pilotless American drone fired missiles in North Waziristan, killing at least six people, Pakistani intelligence officials said.

The United States rarely confirms or denies such attacks.

Tensions between the US and Pakistan have increased over the issue of cross-border incursions against militants by American forces based in Afghanistan.

Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari has said he will not tolerate violations of his country's territory.
The US state department has affirmed "its support for Pakistan's sovereignty, independence, unity, and territorial integrity".

What a crock of bullsh*t... the US doesn't give a god damn about anybody else.... ffs, they claim to respect their borders and sovereignty, and yet their actions are total opposite.

And if your fk'n intellignece isn't all that great and you got schools nearby..... don't fk'n shoot missiles or drop bombs in the area you dumbasses!

How fk'n stupid can the US get? Honestly?

I swear it's like the US wants their stupid ass war to get worse, last even longer and get more countries against them.

Most countries who thought cross border attacks were a good idea would have quickly changed their minds after the first or second screwup.... how many has this been so far?

Oh yeah.... "Stay the Course."

Friggin morons.
 

thomaska

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Didn't see anything about terrorists not being killed...

But of course, we only bomb elementary schools and orphanages....

So if it wasn't one of the above, then it wasn't us...:roll:
 

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Didn't see anything about terrorists not being killed...

But of course, we only bomb elementary schools and orphanages....

So if it wasn't one of the above, then it wasn't us...:roll:

So, it's okay to bomb schools then.

You don't sound very regretful just defensive.

Perhaps you are no different than a terrorist.
 
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Praxius

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Didn't see anything about terrorists not being killed...

But of course, we only bomb elementary schools and orphanages....

So if it wasn't one of the above, then it wasn't us...:roll:

Great... if you guys killed one terrorist, then that would justify the children killed, is that it?

Who's the real terrorists?
 

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What if it was the terrorist's children?

Whole lot of what if's going around these days.

What if they actually killed the taliban they were apparently attacking?

What if it was the terrorist's children?

It doesn't matter if it was children of terrorists or children of Satan himself.... the children didn't start this damn war and I imagine many of them are not involved in the war, and even if they are involved in the war, children are not fair game in war.... they are not targets.

If you're going to sit here and try and justify killing children, women or any other form of civilian population to defend your side of the argument of the war on terror, then you best look in the mirror and see what side of that war you're really on.

The whole cry of the US when starting this whole crap was to defend the innocent, civilians, and freedom, blah blah blah..... well you guys throw it all out the window when you do the total opposite and classify civilian deaths by your hands as collateral damage or "They shouldn't have been there in the first place" mentality..... or better yet, as you put it.... "Well, they could have been the children of terrorists."

Punishing and killing children for their parents actions is sick, twisted and I'm disgusted to be an ally of a nation that thinks this way.
 

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Whole lot of what if's going around these days.

What if they actually killed the taliban they were apparently attacking?

What if it was the terrorist's children?

It doesn't matter if it was children of terrorists or children of Satan himself.... the children didn't start this damn war and I imagine many of them are not involved in the war, and even if they are involved in the war, children are not fair game in war.... they are not targets.

If you're going to sit here and try and justify killing children, women or any other form of civilian population to defend your side of the argument of the war on terror, then you best look in the mirror and see what side of that war you're really on.

The whole cry of the US when starting this whole crap was to defend the innocent, civilians, and freedom, blah blah blah..... well you guys throw it all out the window when you do the total opposite and classify civilian deaths by your hands as collateral damage or "They shouldn't have been there in the first place" mentality..... or better yet, as you put it.... "Well, they could have been the children of terrorists."

Punishing and killing children for their parents actions is sick, twisted and I'm disgusted to be an ally of a nation that thinks this way.


As you probably well know Prax, collateral damage came into play in WWI......it will not change.....


 

Praxius

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As you probably well know Prax, collateral damage came into play in WWI......it will not change.....

Yes, it's been a part of war for some time now..... however a select few in the world tend to use the Collateral Card way too much to excuse their own actions. While cases where civilians are killed or wounded at the hands of Canadians, investigations are made and the final conclusions are made public..... and there are very few of these situations occuring. The US goes along and levels an entire village for one or two targets, and somehow there's justification for this sort of act? There are no followup reports or investigations, no details as to why something went wrong or why who and how many got killed..... nothing..... nothing is ever done, and the cycle continues..... Just about every day that goes by there is some kind of report of the US killing civilians or allies.... if it's not Afghanistan, it's Pakistan..... if it's not Pakistan it's Iraq. So many people are killed at the hands of the US, and so little is done to figure out why or how to reduce the amount of deaths..... and it just keeps on going.

Yesterday in the news it was Afgan police being killed by the US..... today it was children in a school in Pakistan..... what's it going to be tomorrow?

And the worst part of this whole situation is that the US is spreading their corrupt, two-faced ways accross borders. They made an agreement with Pakistan a while back not to cross their borders and bomb stuff on their side...... and yet they're doing just that.

Now because of these actions and their limited intelligence in a country they are no occupying, they have killed more civilians.... children in a school for that matter.

Now besides the whole fact that they're continually compromising Pakistan's sovereignty (An ally too by the way) for their own ends.... they are now killing Pakistans' civilians/children through their dumbass military tactics which have ended up probably killing more civilians then they have terrorists overall.

Just because a war may include collateral from time to time, doesn't mean you don't try and reduce the amount as much as you can. Just because you're "At War" doesn't give you a green light to blow away everything in your path and then brush the dead civilians off like just it's another day at the office.

There is no excuse, period. If the US wanted someone in Pakistan, then you go as Pakistan to get them for you. Then if something screws up and civilians die, it's on their hands. And before people come on here and snicker that they're not doing anything..... that's a half truth.

Yes, Pakistan did very little for years now.... under the rule of Dictator Mushbrains.... whom Bush dished loads of money to to do nothing. Now the Pakistan Army is putting the boots to those in the tribal region and doing what they should have been doing years ago...... but now the US is crossing their borders and blowing sh*t up as they please like they own the place, now making it more difficult for Pakistan to do what they should be doing.

Now Pakistan has to deal with the Taliban in the tribal areas, they have to deal with their own citizens and protecting them, and on top of all that, they have to now face one of their allies taking pot shots in their own country and killing their own civilians..... thereby making the whole situation more difficult for them.

If the US keeps this up, Pakistan will have no other choice but to respond in an equal fashion...... and guess what? NATO forces will then have to deal with the Taliban crossing the borders, attacks already within Afghanistan, Pakistan no longer co-operating, and plus Pakistan deciding to shoot back at us..... who knows? Maybe they'll go so far as to crossing Afghanistan's borders.

No matter how you look at this situation, the US's actions of crossing Pakistans borders and blowing them up clearly isn't going to make anything easier for anybody.

No good will come of this.
 

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Yes, it's been a part of war for some time now..... however a select few in the world tend to use the Collateral Card way too much to excuse their own actions. While cases where civilians are killed or wounded at the hands of Canadians, investigations are made and the final conclusions are made public..... and there are very few of these situations occuring. The US goes along and levels an entire village for one or two targets, and somehow there's justification for this sort of act?

Me thinks not.

And the worst part of this whole situation is that the US is spreading their corrupt, two-faced ways accross borders. They made an agreement with Pakistan a while back not to cross their borders and bomb stuff on their side...... and yet they're doing just that.

Now because of these actions and their limited intelligence in a country they are no occupying, they have killed more civilians.... children in a school for that matter.

Now besides the whole fact that they're continually compromising Pakistan's sovereignty (An ally too by the way) for their own ends.... they are now killing Pakistans' civilians/children through their dumbass military tactics which have ended up probably killing more civilians then they have terrorists overall.

Just because a war may include collateral from time to time, doesn't mean you don't try and reduce the amount as much as you can. Just because you're "At War" doesn't give you a green light to blow away everything in your path and then brush the dead civilians off like just it's another day at the office.

There is no excuse, period. If the US wanted someone in Pakistan, then you go as Pakistan to get them for you. Then if something screws up and civilians die, it's on their hands. And before people come on here and snicker that they're not doing anything..... that's a half truth.

Yes, Pakistan did very little for years now.... under the rule of Dictator Mushbrains.... whom Bush dished loads of money to to do nothing. Now the Pakistan Army is putting the boots to those in the tribal region and doing what they should have been doing years ago...... but now the US is crossing their borders and blowing sh*t up as they please like they own the place, now making it more difficult for Pakistan to do what they should be doing.

Now Pakistan has to deal with the Taliban in the tribal areas, they have to deal with their own citizens and protecting them, and on top of all that, they have to now face one of their allies taking pot shots in their own country and killing their own civilians..... thereby making the whole situation more difficult for them.

If the US keeps this up, Pakistan will have no other choice but to respond in an equal fashion...... and guess what? NATO forces will then have to deal with the Taliban crossing the borders, attacks already within Afghanistan, Pakistan no longer co-operating, and plus Pakistan deciding to shoot back at us..... who knows? Maybe they'll go so far as to crossing Afghanistan's borders.

No matter how you look at this situation, the US's actions of crossing Pakistans borders and blowing them up clearly isn't going to make anything easier for anybody.

No good will come of this.


We've both seen enough in our lives to know where this is heading....not a good place to be sure...once avoidable but now, I do not see it...too many factions involved...too many promises broken...desperation has set in (I believe for the Americans for they are frustrated)....this as you have stated will not turn out well...for anyone.

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If the US keeps this up, Pakistan will have no other choice but to respond in an equal fashion...... and guess what? NATO forces will then have to deal with the Taliban crossing the borders, attacks already within Afghanistan, Pakistan no longer co-operating, and plus Pakistan deciding to shoot back at us..... who knows? Maybe they'll go so far as to crossing Afghanistan's borders.

Then we'll really have some good target to bomb!

YIPPEE KI AAAAA!
 

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Yeah wonderful.... all the while Pakistan has nukes to flatten all NATO and Col. forces in Afghanistan..... yeah, brilliant.

Then all of Pakistan would be nuked and you would REALLY have something to squawk about.

Imagine the material you would have!

You live for this Prax...you know it!
 

scratch

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Then all of Pakistan would be nuked and you would REALLY have something to squawk about.

Imagine the material you would have!

You live for this Prax...you know it!

IMO,

Prax may live to comment on it.....but you live for it to happen.

WADR.
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Risus

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Then we'll really have some good target to bomb!

YIPPEE KI AAAAA!
Smack, you are typical of all the F^%#ing hypocritical, war mongering, damn yankees, Take your BS elsewhere. We don't need to see your crap. Damn yankees only think of themselves, they are damn self serving hypocrites. You guys think you are the best of the world, when in reality you are the anus.

Want me to go on??? I don't want to start sounding like Soc the Greek.