Lawmakers steamed over ritzy AIG retreat after bailout

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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/08/politicians.meltdown.aig.ap/index.html

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Days after it got a federal bailout, American International Group Inc. spent $440,000 on a posh California retreat for its executives, complete with spa treatments, banquets and golf outings, according to lawmakers investigating the company's meltdown.

AIG sent its executives to the coastal St. Regis resort south of Los Angeles, California, even as the company tapped into an $85 billion loan from the government it needed to stave off bankruptcy.

The resort tab included $23,380 worth of spa treatments for AIG employees, according to invoices the resort turned over to the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

The retreat didn't include anyone from the financial products division that nearly drove AIG under, but lawmakers still were enraged over thousands of dollars spent on outing for executives of AIG's main U.S. life insurance subsidiary.

"Average Americans are suffering economically. They're losing their jobs, their homes and their health insurance," the committee's chairman, Rep. Henry Waxman, D-California, scolded the company during a lengthy opening statement at a hearing Tuesday.

"Yet less than one week after the taxpayers rescued AIG, company executives could be found wining and dining at one of the most exclusive resorts in the nation."

Former AIG CEO Robert Willumstad, who lost his job a day after the Federal Reserve put up the $85 billion on Sept. 16, said he was not familiar with the conference and would not have gone along with it.

"It seems very inappropriate," Willumstad said in response to questioning from Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Maryland.

"Those executives should be fired," Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama said at a debate with Sen. John McCain on Tuesday, referring to the retreat participants. Obama also said AIG should give the Treasury $440,000 to cover the costs of the retreat.

But Eric Dinallo, superintendent of the New York State Insurance Department, said he could see the value of such a retreat under the circumstances.

"Having been at large global companies and knowing what condition AIG was in ... the absolute worst thing that could have happened" would have been for employees and underwriters in its life insurance subsidiary to flee the company.

"I do agree there is some profligate spending there, but the concept of bringing all the major employees together ... to ensure that the $85 billion could be as greatly as possible paid back would have been not a crazy corporate decision," Dinallo told the House committee.

The hearing disclosed that AIG executives hid the full range of its risky financial products from auditors as losses mounted, according to documents released by the committee, which is examining the chain of events that forced the government to bail out the conglomerate.

The panel sharply criticized AIG's former top executives, who cast blame on each other for the company's financial woes.

"You have cost my constituents and the taxpayers of this country $85 billion and run into the ground one of the most respected insurance companies in the history of our country," said Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-New York. "You were just gambling billions, possibly trillions of dollars."

AIG, crippled by huge losses linked to mortgage defaults, was forced last month to accept the $85 billion government loan that gives the U.S. the right to an 80 percent stake in the company.

There's that 700 billion tax payer's dollars going to good use :roll:

"But Eric Dinallo, superintendent of the New York State Insurance Department, said he could see the value of such a retreat under the circumstances."

^ Yeah ok..... under the circumstances their companies just got bailed out by the tax payers so they'd still have a job, they're given the money to fix things and make sure this type of crap doesn't happen again...... and what do they do?

They go on a fancy little retreat to relax and help remove their stresses of their job..... those poor poor rich sons of b*tches..... they sure must have it tough.

Got me all misty-eyed :angry3:
 

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I can't believe there wasn't one person in the group that said:

"Ummm, guys? We're kinda under the microscope at the moment, maybe we shouldn't do the retreat thingy?"


Unbelieveable.

It's like getting a traffic (edit) warning..not an actual citation, then getting back in your car, giving the cop the bird, and squeeling your tires....
 

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There's that 700 billion tax payer's dollars going to good use :roll:

"But Eric Dinallo, superintendent of the New York State Insurance Department, said he could see the value of such a retreat under the circumstances."

^ Yeah ok..... under the circumstances their companies just got bailed out by the tax payers so they'd still have a job, they're given the money to fix things and make sure this type of crap doesn't happen again...... and what do they do?

They go on a fancy little retreat to relax and help remove their stresses of their job..... those poor poor rich sons of b*tches..... they sure must have it tough.

Got me all misty-eyed :angry3:

SOOOOO TRUE!

Gosh this burns my AZZ. These guys and gals that caused this whole mess most likely believe they are entitled to this type of treatment. They just got 700 Billion to gamble away and live their lavish lifestyles. No wonder the market is still uneasy with the bailout approved. It doesn't gaurentee that the issues will be solved and these guys just proved it.

I heard Lehman Bros. are looking for their cut of this bailout as well.
 

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I'm on my soap box!

Some idiot is trying to justify it saying these people need to meet. How about the freaking conference room and order a stack of pizzas if you get hungry. Luxury spa treatments and golf. Yeah... I am sure they got a lot done.

They should get the list and fire each and every one of them. No severance package... gone... bu bye... pack your trash and leave.
 

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SOOOOO TRUE!

Gosh this burns my AZZ. These guys and gals that caused this whole mess most likely believe they are entitled to this type of treatment. They just got 700 Billion to gamble away and live their lavish lifestyles. No wonder the market is still uneasy with the bailout approved. It doesn't gaurentee that the issues will be solved and these guys just proved it.

I heard Lehman Bros. are looking for their cut of this bailout as well.

Wasn't Lehman the genesis of this?
 

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They were the biggest to go down before the bottom fell out. But it goes back further. Giving folks mortgages that they couldn't afford then bundling them and selling them back and forth to each other.

I want to know where and who is getting the 700 billion. Are we just going to fork it over to the well connected. Looks that way. The folks at AIG seem pretty comfortable.
 

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They were the biggest to go down before the bottom fell out. But it goes back further. Giving folks mortgages that they couldn't afford then bundling them and selling them back and forth to each other.

I want to know where and who is getting the 700 billion. Are we just going to fork it over to the well connected. Looks that way. The folks at AIG seem pretty comfortable.

I too, have been trying to get a handle on that. It's vague and sketchy, but I do agree about it going to the well connected. Usually does.
 

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I too, have been trying to get a handle on that. It's vague and sketchy, but I do agree about it going to the well connected. Usually does.

Well that is the gist of it. These companies would sell mortgages and bundle them. Then they would sell the bundle to other companies. They would buy up the mortgages to get the interest. Then the mortgages started defaulting because people couldn't pay. It was going back and forth for years bundles bought and sold.

Do I have that about right folks? I am sketchy as well on this but that is how I heard it explained.
 

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Leverageing--------$1.00 in the vault------historically premitted to lend eight to ten $------fractional banking and that's monopoly money because it's only covered by air no gold no silver. During this latest bank hiest leverageing of 20 and 30 to one was carried out. The banks can't cover thier losses. That's why the fear of a run on the banks. So they're using public money to cover thier gambling debts by investing in offshore mechanisms where they hope to use public money to recover thier losses leaving the public vaults empty, next they call out the gaurd and round up the hungry homeless rowdies. The banks have been given the power of taxation, that's taxation without representation, the traditional remedy was to make a giant batch of tea in Boston harbour but those types of citizen are a thing of the remote past in the USA, todays couch potatoes are clueless gutless consummers who'll starve before they'll break windows and man barricades.
Oh, in case anyone thinks I'm picking on Yankees, I'm not, Canadians are 97.3 % as stupid, the same type of couch apes with bilingual labels.
 

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Well that is the gist of it. These companies would sell mortgages and bundle them. Then they would sell the bundle to other companies. They would buy up the mortgages to get the interest. Then the mortgages started defaulting because people couldn't pay. It was going back and forth for years bundles bought and sold.

Do I have that about right folks? I am sketchy as well on this but that is how I heard it explained.

All I'm saying is since it looks like the economy's gonna go into the $hitter no matter what...

Take the friggin money back, and let them all sink.
 

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Ah, whatever. In 10 years we'll witness the total collapse of the monetary system. Then we can get on with a resource based system for society, where each of us work for the common good of everyone. Not this profit based crap that we're slaves to right now. The system outlined in the Federal Reserve's "Modern Money Mechanics" has reached it's saturation point and cannot be saved.
 

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Right now all CEO's need pedicures funded by taxpayers. It's good for small spa business.
 

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All I'm saying is since it looks like the economy's gonna go into the $hitter no matter what...

Take the friggin money back, and let them all sink.

Are you willing to go down with them for the sake of your satisfaction for that is what it would come to.
 

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Reading that I can see the point of why that is Justified.

The employees are from the Division that actually MADE money, did their job (well) and didnt' do anything wrong.

They are also thinking: This is a sinking ship, I should leave.

Keeping the people who you know, actually work and make money is kind of important if that bailout cash is ever going to paid back.
 

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Reading that I can see the point of why that is Justified.

The employees are from the Division that actually MADE money, did their job (well) and didnt' do anything wrong.

They are also thinking: This is a sinking ship, I should leave.

Keeping the people who you know, actually work and make money is kind of important if that bailout cash is ever going to paid back.

If the whole company has gone under you can't justify a small group that did do well absolutley blowing this money. Six figures worth of spas, dining, golfing, etc.! I am sure the janitors who worked for AIG did their job faithfully as well. Did they take them? What about the folks down in the mail room?

That is IMO unacceptable.
 

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Ah, whatever. In 10 years we'll witness the total collapse of the monetary system. Then we can get on with a resource based system for society, where each of us work for the common good of everyone. Not this profit based crap that we're slaves to right now. The system outlined in the Federal Reserve's "Modern Money Mechanics" has reached it's saturation point and cannot be saved.

Communism?
 

EagleSmack

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All I'm saying is since it looks like the economy's gonna go into the $hitter no matter what...

Take the friggin money back, and let them all sink.

I tend to agree. Our congress just passed a 700 Billion bail out to prevent the slide and if you look at the market...it is STILL sliding. What is this 700 Billion going to do if the economy still goes down the shoot? Why are we going to carry the burden and still suffer long term economic woes?

Perhaps investors are still edgy. I shouldn't say perhaps...they are still edgy and are protecting what little they have left and not making any bold moves.