Quote: Originally Posted by quandary121
Sorry Karrie i seem to of got you into a debate on the issues of men verses women here,for some reason..??? what i was trying and failing to point out was women's lib has caused the role of the sexes to become so liberal that the MEN don't have to carry there responsibility in what happens to the children that he has fathered ,any further then just that the fathering off. Women now through there liberalisation have to take full responsibilities for their actions regarding childbirth, where as before in the stability of a marriage the father would have been responsible for bringing up his family ,now that the is no partnership involve the woman is left holding the baby proverbially speaking..so I'm not saying women should not have rights ,just look what having rights have brought you, women's lib has failed women's rights ,in that it has done away with the need of the father to be responsible for there actions.
Sorry, I do see a Man vs. Woman debate started here, and no matter how you try to avoid it, it's done.
And I find it even more funny when you try and claim you're not pitting the genders against one another, when you generalize in such a way towards men..... as if we have no responsibilities at all when it comes to children being brought into this world, and you and Karrie are far from the truth in what you speak.
Men are responsible for bringing up their families just as they always have, if not more in todays' society. Even when I argued the point in the past where the fathers should have a say in whether or not the child is aborted or not, it's the mother who get's the final say, since it is her body, and nobody can force her to do anything she doesn't want.
And even if the father and mother broke up in the relationship, the father either has to fight for full custody of the child and take the full responsibility, or they end up losing half their income and property, and have to pay child support to the mother and then trust that she's using the money for the child.
I assume you both are aware of the actual chances of fathers actually winning custody over the mother in court towards the child? Usually they're slim to none, and in that event, the father still has to pay the mother up the ****. Unless the courts find the mother is a threat to the child's well being, the child usually ends up with the mother, and if she fights enough, and wanted to, she could very well restict his visitation rights to the child, perhaps completely depending on the situation, all the while still having to dish out half their income to a child they may rarely see.
But I sure as hell haven't see many cases where the father fought the mother, won, and the mother has to dish him out a crap load of child support..... woman have a crap load more rights then they ever had before, and in certain situations, more rights then the man.
And to think that men don't have anymore or any less of an attachment to the child then the mother and claiming they don't have any responsibilities to that child in comparison, is pretty damn ignorant as well as downright offensive.
Why with that mentality, I suppose I could claim that the birthing process isn't that big of a deal since I can't experience it to know what it's like..... you do the same thing when you generalize and trivialize men's positions in the process of having a child.... as though we're just some c*m bucket for your needs.