Israel calls for demolition of Jerusalem attacker's home


Praxius
#1


http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/0...el-attack.html

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The Israeli government is considering bulldozing the East Jerusalem home of the man who went on a deadly rampage in a front-end loader on Wednesday, officials said.
They said Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Defence Minister Ehud Barak want to send a strong message to anyone considering similar attacks. Defence and legal experts were meeting Thursday to discuss the issue.
"We must use a punishment that would deter," a spokesman for Olmert said, speaking to Reuters on condition of anonymity. "We have to act with a tough hand, to negate social rights, to immediately destroy the homes of every terrorist in Jerusalem."
Israel used to have a policy of bulldozing the homes of those the government considered terrorists, with 1,500 homes destroyed in the Rafah region of the Gaza Strip alone between 2000 and 2004, according to the United Nations. But Israel recently pledged to end the practice at the urging of human rights groups, and any renewal of the policy is expected to spark legal challenges.
An estimated 20 people live in the family home of attacker Husam Taysir Dwayat, described in the media as a 30-year-old Palestinian father of two from the Sur Bahir neighbourhood. Soon after the attack, Israeli police raided Dwayat's home and arrested his father and one of his brothers, according to the...

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That's some wonderful mentality there... bulldoze down a dead guys' house as punishment.

1st the guy is dead.
2nd, he wasn't a terrorist.
3rd, The only people who are going to suffer from this action are the people still living in that house.... what kind of cave man mentality do they have over there anyways?

People try and talk about Justice and Revenge..... well this wouldn't be any sort of justice. The justice already went into play when he was shot and killed.... case closed.... but oh no.... let's go and make other people who had nothing to do with it suffer.
 
Colpy
#2
I am forced to partially agree with Praxius on this one......I don't have a big problem with the destruction of the property of terrorists......

But, despite various claims, I don't think this was a political act, therefore the Israelis should not retaliate in this way.....in this case.

The benefit of the doubt......
 
Praxius
#3
Update:



Israel to destroy attacker's home
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7490212.stm (external - login to view)

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Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak has ordered the army to prepare to demolish the home of the Palestinian who killed three Israelis in Jerusalem.


The order follows advice by Attorney-General Menachem Mazuz that the proposed demolition could create legal difficulties, but would not be illegal.

An Israeli rights group has said such a move would be collective punishment.

B'tselem says it has written to Mr Mazuz demanding that he prevent the attacker's home from being demolished.

The group argues that the demolition would, as collective punishment, be illegal under international humanitarian law.
Hussam Dwayat went on the rampage at the wheel of a front-loader vehicle, or bulldozer, killing three people and wounding dozens before security personnel shot him dead.

There you go.... revenge seems to cloud many people's minds in Israel... this is only going to punish the people who are currently living in that home who had nothing to do with his rampage.... but they're Palestinian, so it's ok.
 
lone wolf
#4
The guy went postal ... NOT terrorist. If Israel wants to make all Palestinian claims truth, then go ahead and take revenge.
 
Zzarchov
#5
I agree, it bothers me greatly that just because he's palestinian he can't be guilty of anything other than terrorism.

The guy had a breakdown and went on a killing spree. Its not good, but it happens to plenty of people in plenty of places with no terrorist links and they aren't treated special.
 
Praxius
#6
Guess what? It gets worse:



Hammer comes down in Israel
Olmert calls for revival of home demolitions after Palestinian goes on rampage
www.thechronicleherald.ca/World/1065736.html (external - login to view)

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JERUSALEM — A day after a Palestinian construction worker’s deadly rampage in Jerusalem, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert on Thursday called for reviving the practice of demolishing the homes of attackers’ families, and his chief deputy proposed cutting some Arab neighbourhoods off from the rest of the city.

Israeli Jews expressed anxiety about security, and Palestinians wondered what the violence will mean for their already tenuous position in society.

A day earlier, a Palestinian drove a huge earth-moving vehicle over cars and into buses, killing three Israelis and leaving a swath of wreckage on a main Jerusalem street before security forces shot him to death.

The attacker, Hussam Dwayat, 30, of east Jerusalem, had no problem moving around the Jewish part of Jerusalem. After Israel captured the Arab section of the city in the 1967 war, it gave residency and Israeli ID cards to the Arabs who lived there, giving them freedom of movement around Israel.

The attack brought calls to reconsider at least some of the benefits the 250,000 Palestinian residents of Jerusalem receive from the Israeli government.

"I think we have to be tougher in part of the measures that we take against terrorists, especially terrorists who are part of our internal fabric of life," Olmert told an economic conference at the Red Sea resort of Eilat. "If we have to demolish houses, we will demolish houses. If we have to revoke social rights, we will revoke social rights. It’s inconceivable that we are slaughtered and they will have all the privileges that our society grants our citizens."

Israel had in 2005 stopped the practice of demolishing the homes of Palestinian attackers after the military determined that it did not work as a deterrent.

Deputy Prime Minister Haim Ramon proposed cutting off the attackers’ home village and others in east Jerusalem, where about 50,000 Arabs live, by rerouting the West Bank separation barrier to put the villages outside Jerusalem’s boundaries. It was a rare call by a senior Israeli official to effectively redivide Jerusalem, reflecting concern that preventing attacks by Jerusalem’s Palestinians is virtually impossible.

Four months ago, a Palestinian from a neighbouring village shot and killed eight young students at a rabbinical school in Jerusalem.

On Thursday, police forbade Dwayat’s family from setting up a mourning tent at his home in the village of Sur Baher.

A group of men sitting under a eucalyptus tree said some of Dwayat’s relatives had been questioned by police. Dwayat’s widow, Jamileh, sat on a sofa, wearing a long black dress and head scarf, biting her fingernails and greeting well-wishers with dark, sad eyes. Her two children had been sent to a cousin’s house.

"He was a martyr," said one female visitor as she kissed Jamileh Dwayat on the cheeks in reference to the honorary title given to Muslims killed in attacks on Israelis. The attacker’s father, Taysir, had earlier forced mourners to stop shouting "martyr" at the home, insisting to Israeli reporters that his son was under the influence of drugs during the rampage, was not motivated by hate, and that the family supported coexistence.

Police said the attacker apparently acted alone. He had a criminal record, police said, and had been ordered to demolish his home in 2005 because it was built illegally.

So one guy goes on a rampage, and Israel claims he was a terrorist so they can bulldoze his house in which the rest of his family lives in, and at the same time is planning on isolating all the Arabs in that area from the rest of the country..... talk about racist and intollerant.

Make all his kind suffer for what he did.... sure why the hell not? And people wonder why there's so many people pissed off at Israel?

A prime example of justice and freedom
 
Colpy
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by PraxiusView Post

Guess what? It gets worse:



Hammer comes down in Israel
Olmert calls for revival of home demolitions after Palestinian goes on rampage
www.thechronicleherald.ca/World/1065736.html (external - login to view)



So one guy goes on a rampage, and Israel claims he was a terrorist so they can bulldoze his house in which the rest of his family lives in, and at the same time is planning on isolating all the Arabs in that area from the rest of the country..... talk about racist and intollerant.

Make all his kind suffer for what he did.... sure why the hell not? And people wonder why there's so many people pissed off at Israel?

A prime example of justice and freedom

Well, I agree that Israel would be making a mistake in bulldozing this guy's home,,,,,,,

BUT....his father is trying to save his house, I believe him about the non-political nature of the attack, but he does have some motivation to take that view.

Relatives are claiming the man was a "martyr". Simply idiotic on their part.

At least three terrorist groups have claimed responsibility. Liars and scum all, but they are claiming responsibility, probably hoping Israel will over-react.

Payments are made to the families of martyrs........thus motivating the Israelis to counter that gain by destruction of the family's possessions.......

It ain't one sided.

It rarely is.
 
lone wolf
#8
If someone should fart in a synagogue there'll be three terrorist groups claim credit. The world knows all about glory hounds. I think Israel had better practice a little "turn the other cheek" here....
 
Colpy
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

If someone should fart in a synagogue there'll be three terrorist groups claim credit. The world knows all about glory hounds. I think Israel had better practice a little "turn the other cheek" here....

And I agree.
 
Praxius
#10
indeed... I mean how is it ever going to stop between the two if neither side is willing to stop the revenge?

And I honestly place Israel in a tougher spot light on their actions, because they're supposed to be the democratic free country in that area which is supposed to be an example of the rest of our ways of life to those unfamiliar to it. When they act no better then those they are fighting, then you're certainly not going to win anybody over to your side, because nobody sees a difference, so they stick to what they are used to, all the while building up more hatred for the other side.

That's why I've also been critical about how the US conducts itself in Iraq and Afghanistan. Many (enough anyways) in Afghanistan don't see the West as being any better then the Taliban, because of indiscriminate air strikes on homes and families and night raids which are conducted mostly by the US..... and as for examples in Iraq.... just about anything and everything you look at points to the crappy treatment of the Iraqi's by US forces.... how they treat them like 2nd class citizens in their own countries, planting weapons and tools on those they killed who were innocent, to cover their own tracks of wrong do-ing.

Sure we don't hear about many of these cases in our news and media, and granted, it's not the entire US military, let alone the US itself who are directly responsible for all cases and situations, but all it takes is one incident of indescretion and disregard for their lives and security to turn them against you. When you start to have back to back incidences..... you then get an insurgency of the people trying to force you out of their country.

And in Israel's case, if they are going to continually give mistrust to those in their country who are not Jewish, if they're never going to appear to be not just for the Jewish people in Israel, but for everyone living in Israel, and only cater to those people being Jewish and treating all others as 2nd class citizens, or when they break a law or go on a mental rampage, they're immidiately terrorists, then why would anybody in the minority back that sort of government?

How can anybody expect peace to even evolve beyond a brain fart in that sort of situation?

In my honest opinion, the over protectionism of the Israel Government over the Jewish population has festered some nasty racial division lines within the country and surrounding area, and this is why it's almost next to impossible for anybody to reach peach in the middle east.

As mentioned before.... turn the other cheek.... we all got 4 of them.
 
Zzarchov
#11
I'd give reputation to several people in this thread, save Im not allowed to give it to people without "spreading it around" first :P
 
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