Children Removed from Home Due to Racists Parents

Dexter Sinister

Dexter Sinister

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This is a hard one. The report I heard on CBC Radio while driving home from work today indicated the custodial parents--mother and step-father to the 7-year old, mother and father to the 2-year old--are neo-Nazi white supremacists, but it wasn't clear whether both parents are laying this on the kids or just one of them. Either way, that's a pretty ugly ideology to be teaching children, but it's far from clear to me where to draw this line. At what point does teaching your children what you believe become abuse? Richard Dawkins has argued that teaching children your religious beliefs is abusive, but while I agree with Dawkins on many things I can't buy that one except in the extreme, e.g. your religious beliefs legitimize killing anyone who disagrees with them. This is what I think of as the "ignorant idiot" factor, based on cases like Ernst Zundel's and David Ahenakew's: you can believe whatever you want, and in private express whatever views you want, but the state will stop you from being an ignorant idiot in public.

But who gets to define what that means? As an atheist I disagree strongly with all religiously based opinions, for instance, but I'm not arrogant enough to attempt it and I'm not sure I want the state to attempt it on my behalf.
 
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I think the real question is what do we expect from the nanny state?

Perhaps all children should be raised by the state and in government institutions? Maybe if we want a truly homogeneous utopian society it is time to give up the idea of family? It may be even unfair to expect parents to be so PC that they could raise a child the way government experts would like? Maybe all children should be removed from parents who haven't the proper academic training and qualifications? Sure it sounds strange now but if we are really going to have a perfect society I think this is a requirement. Certainly the communists understand this point, so did Hitler. It makes sense then that a corporatist fascist nation like ourselves would understand this. Maybe we could have companies raise the children like we have them run prisons?

One thing is certain however, before this can happen, it will be over my dead body.
 
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Colpy

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Scott Free said:
I think the real question is what do we expect from the nanny state?

Perhaps all children should be raised by the state and in government institutions? Maybe if we want a truly homogeneous utopian society it is time to give up the idea of family? It may be even unfair to expect parents to be so PC that they could raise a child the way government experts would like? Maybe all children should be removed from parents who haven't the proper academic training and qualifications? Sure it sounds strange now but if we are really going to have a perfect society I think this is a requirement. Certainly the communists understand this point, so did Hitler. It makes sense then that a corporatist fascist nation like ourselves would understand this. Maybe we could have companies raise the children like we have them run prisons?

One thing is certain however, before this can happen, it will be over my dead body.
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It is with some hesitation..........but I have to agree with Scott Free.

What's next? Children removed because they are being inculcated with religious mythology?

If there is some other abuse going on, fine..........but to remove children because of the political beliefs of their parents.........no way.

And there are very few people on earth I like LESS than racist, holocaust-denying, white supremacy groups.

I always loved the idea KKK wore white sheets and "illuminated" crosses in their midst.......it would make lining up the rifle sights so easy. :)

Unfortunately, they do have the right to believe what they will. Free speech and freedom of thought does NOT mean people are only allowed to agree with the masses.......
 
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Dexter Sinister said:
This is a hard one. The report I heard on CBC Radio while driving home from work today indicated the custodial parents--mother and step-father to the 7-year old, mother and father to the 2-year old--are neo-Nazi white supremacists, but it wasn't clear whether both parents are laying this on the kids or just one of them. Either way, that's a pretty ugly ideology to be teaching children, but it's far from clear to me where to draw this line. At what point does teaching your children what you believe become abuse? Richard Dawkins has argued that teaching children your religious beliefs is abusive, but while I agree with Dawkins on many things I can't buy that one except in the extreme, e.g. your religious beliefs legitimize killing anyone who disagrees with them. This is what I think of as the "ignorant idiot" factor, based on cases like Ernst Zundel's and David Ahenakew's: you can believe whatever you want, and in private express whatever views you want, but the state will stop you from being an ignorant idiot in public.

But who gets to define what that means? As an atheist I disagree strongly with all religiously based opinions, for instance, but I'm not arrogant enough to attempt it and I'm not sure I want the state to attempt it on my behalf.
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I hadn't read your post when I wrote my own......... you are dead on.
 
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When is the tipping-point reached? Is it that the wealthy white children of a society become so convinced that their "quality of life" justly relegates every other social sub-group as secondary? Like the KKK, white supremacists and various militia groups...many people believe that the law of the gun...the rifle-sights are what's needed to bring the current "mess" under control.... When we stigmatize Jews or Arabs, African Americans or Hispanics and Latinos..... when is the balance irrevocably plunged to one side?

Americans "used-to" actively practice racial segregation...then had a war to settle the issue....which really didn't settle anything at all except that owning and selling another human being was acceptable..... You can pay a Hispanic or a Black less than you'd pay a white person for the same work though...so it wasn't a complete re-arrangement of process.....
 
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A seven-year-old girl and a boy, 2, were recently taken by child welfare workers from a home in south Winnipeg after the girl showed up at school with "hate-related drawings on her body," police Const. Blair Good said Monday. Good would not confirm a media report that quoted unnamed sources as saying the girl was sporting a swastika and a white supremacy slogan.
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As you all can see, it's not a matter of just the parents beliefs. Also there is concern with alcohol and drug abuse in the home.
 
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gerryh said:
As you all can see, it's not a matter of just the parents beliefs. Also there is concern with alcohol and drug abuse in the home.
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We need to know the extent of any abuse of childrn.........like everybody else my age, I know lots of people that drink, smoked dope, and were good parents..........

this issue is not that easy to slide around......
 
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For some more perspective, National Post.

Manitoba Child and Family Services is prepared to return two young children to their Winnipeg mother -- an alleged neo-Nazi -- and drop their application for permanent custody, the Winnipeg Free Press has learned.The deal would involve having the seven-year-old girl and two-year-old boy slowly integrated back into the home, first on weekends and eventually back to full-time care.
The development came after the mother -- who cannot be named to protect the identity of the children -- recently separated from her husband, an admitted white supremacist who has made a series of disturbing online posts in recent months.
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Other concerns were expressed, including the fact the little girl had missed 39 days of school this year. She told authorities her parents sleep in and don't want to get her ready or take her. There were also concerns about alcohol and drug use in the home.
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I pretty much second, or third, what Dex says. It's a fine line when the state becomes involved. I guess we'll know more after the court case which begins June 23
 
Vereya

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It always makes me very upset to read stories in which the swastika appears as some kind of hate symbol. It is a perfectly peaceful symbol, that's been used for centuries before it became demonized. This kind of thing just shows how easily it is to manipulate the public opinion, and to brainwash people, and that is very upsetting indeed.
 
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