Quote: Originally Posted by tracy
Parents are not always the deciders of what's in the best interest of their children.
If they're inbred retards, I would agree with you, but as already pointed out, the parent(s) already went with the doctor's suggestions and they screwed it up and their suggestion failed... they had their chance to show their better knowlege and failed.
People who believe that are uninformed or naive at the very least.
Similar to people who like to generalize every situation with the same red pen.
It assumes that parents' motives are always good and that their rights to be decision makers are unlimited even if their decisions are harmful to their children. That's simply not the law.
As we've seen, the law sucks bones in certain situations and proper human understanding of the situation is required for each. Perhaps you can make a better argument by addressing the new updates from similar experts above as the "experts" who took the children away. Apparenlty this situation isn't justified by all professionals.
I've participated in the care of kids that was against the wishes of their parents with a court order before. It isn't exactly frequent, but it's not entirely uncommon. The area I work in has patients who usually wind up needing transfusions and our JW families are against that in general so we have to get court orders. These are families who love their children and want what's best for them, but the court feels denying them needed medical care is neglectful and will step in.
That doesn't make it right, and regardless, blood transfers are not chemo.... and the child who already went through this and has already went through suffering because of it, and who is no better off because of it, is the one who has to face these ignorant decisions (Where it's decided by people who don't have to go through it) ~ What they are putting the child through is torture and was against his wishes and the family's wishes.
When does one suffering overide another suffering? I have had my own experiences with family members ending up suffering more for longer then natural because of so-called "Experts" and I know what this does to families..... the final decision should be left to the family, regardless of your own personal beliefs.
I've worked with a fair number of families who have lost custody of their children altogether for neglect, abuse, etc. The courts have always had the right to step in and make medical decisions when they believe the parents are not acting in the best interest of the child.
That still doesn't make it right, it only shows how much this occurs.
The argument that alternative treatment for his cancer has the same chance of success is silly.
Really? Since the first Chemo session didn't work? Sure.... it's better all right.
A court decided 80% chance was better than 0% for an 11 year old.
And the courts decided the alternative treatments would be a 0%? That's just ignorant if you ask me.
You may disagree with that decision, but do you really disagree with the principle in general?
With all in what and who I am, yes.
Quote: The parents.
If the treatment had a 99% success rate, would it be ok then? Who gets to set the threshold?
And once again, this case isn't a case of some "ignorant in-bred retard parents" who didn't even give the suggested treatments a chance.... they gave it a chance, the child gave it a chance, it failed, the child chose to not go through it again, the parents didn't want him to go through it again.... that should have been the end of it, not to allow the doctors to play their torture games on the kid again....
Once again from what the child said:
.... he even said to me, 'I don't care. They can even kill me with their chemo and stuff I don't care, as long as I can come home and be home with you and mommy,'' he recalled.
The child is well aware of what the treatment entails, and he knows what death is.... I knew what death was when I was 4 years old. I was contemplating suicide in grades 5-6. To some that would be a young age for a child to know or think of that stuff.... but children do, and children can make those decisions if they choose to... they are human, like you and I, and although their life experience may not be as vast as your's or my own, that doesn't take away their ability to understand the situations presented to them. It all boils down to their education and what their parents allow them to know and understand.