Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy
Ah....com'on folks.....so the USA paid a bounty for a confessed terrorist... SO WHAT?
Oh yeah, twist it why don't you.... Confessed after capture and torture.. sure, same thing
You do understand that this guy was not by anyone's definition a child, that he was part of the greater terrorist conspiracy (yeah, a real one, not one formulated under a tinfoil hat, that he ran guns for our greatest enemies, that he was a co-conspirator in an assasination attempt on the President of Pakistan..........that he is our enemy.
Don't ever tell me who my enemies are and are not, and nobody claimed he was a child, you're mixing up your information between the brothers. What's in question is what occured to the older brother.
And yet again there you go expressing your ever so loving "Guilty Until Proven Innocent"
mentality. If you want our countries to be that way, then fight it in the courts to change it... until then, follow the rules and laws in which our countries are supposed to.
AND that we have undermined the principles of shared information with our allies in releasing the fact a bounty was paid? And that after the Americans released him to us?
Canada looks like an idiot. Once again.
Because the people of Canada and the media within Canada fought for that information to be made public because it should be, since he is in fact a Canadian Citizen? You got some screwed up priorities.
Now, the one point that IS applicable here is the accusations of torture. If Mr. Khadr were tortured, any information he gave up in those sessions should, of course, be absolutely inadmissible in court.........and I understand our hesitation to extradite him to the USA......fair enough. He's our boy, in our country, we'll play by our rules....
And that is where all the above argument comes from.... his confessions and the charges against him where from after he was captured in Pakistan and after he was tortured.
BUT to undermine intelligence co-operation simply to publicize a bit of information that is IMHO, insignificant, is simply stupid.
Stupid stupid stupid
Sure if you're into that police-state kinda stuff. I'm not however, and sorry if it bothers you, but I want my government accountable for its actions and I want my government working for me and the rest of us, the Canadian Citizens.... not for some other country's interests.
It would be different if it were some earth-shaking denial of human rights, some massive atrocity.....but here it is simply they paid a reward for the capture of a dangerous enemy......need I say it again?
So what? 1st, this was an attempt to capture him because his family has ties to Osama....
"....Pakistani military officials who arrested a Canadian citizen wanted for links to al-Qaeda"
..... not that he was found guilty of doing anything at the time.... they captured him as a person of interest and tortured him to gather information against "Our Enemy" then charged him for things he confessed to while being tortured in order to justify capturing him. 2nd, this is yet another example of the US doing whatever they please regardless of any human rights protecting the people they capture. Guilty or not guilty, there have been countless people detained under the US's authority as people of interests or suspected something or other and then they hold them without charge until they confess to crimes under torture, or they just simply don't have anything worthwhile to keep them and then release them years later with nothing more then a boot on the *** our the door.
"Rather than getting its own hands dirty, the U.S. simply paid the Musharraf regime $500,000 to arrest Mr. Khadr, knowing full well what Pakistan would do to him."
^ Would seem pretty well a good example of the US openly allowing the torture of people under their authority and having full knowlege of it being done, which is as you claimed as "earth-shaking denial of human rights"
Yet again in another case by US responsibility. If you can not see this then I don't know what to tell you.
If our "greater then thou" countries are not supposed to send back refugees to countries where they could knowingly face torture or death, then where the hell do they get off doing this..... to our own citizens?