May 2nd, 2008, 08:40 AM
But to answer your questions... apparently it's quite hard to estimate avian mortality due to turbine strikes. This is a neat article on the issue.
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006...n_misconce.php
But to answer your questions... apparently it's quite hard to estimate avian mortality due to turbine strikes. This is a neat article on the issue.
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006...n_misconce.php
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May 2nd, 2008, 08:43 AM
1 million Canadians can't afford electricity and shelter at the same time.
1 million Canadians can't afford shelter and food at the same time.
750,000 Canadians use and many rely on foodbanks.
It's sad and perhaps criminal about these ducks, but let's think about priorities...
1 million Canadians can't afford electricity and shelter at the same time.
1 million Canadians can't afford shelter and food at the same time.
750,000 Canadians use and many rely on foodbanks.
It's sad and perhaps criminal about these ducks, but let's think about priorities...
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Location: Oshawa
Location: Oshawa
May 2nd, 2008, 11:04 AM
Your question is an sussumption with no purpose other than to crap on green energy that works.
Why don't you find out how many and let us know, I'll take guess that it's no more than my neighbors minature windmill in his backyard.
Quoting Walter
Link?
Your question is an sussumption with no purpose other than to crap on green energy that works.
Why don't you find out how many and let us know, I'll take guess that it's no more than my neighbors minature windmill in his backyard.
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Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
May 2nd, 2008, 11:21 AM
How many birds get sucked into jet engines? Syncrude's bird bangers are above and beyond the call, as are falcon patrols at airports. As long as man and critter share a planet, there will be conflicts.
Woof!
How many birds get sucked into jet engines? Syncrude's bird bangers are above and beyond the call, as are falcon patrols at airports. As long as man and critter share a planet, there will be conflicts.
Woof!
May 2nd, 2008, 11:26 AM
Quoting lone wolf
I'm sorry but, while I don't demonize them (anymore) for what happened, I don't believe it's above and beyond. I think it's exactly in keeping with the threats they received, and their attempts to keep their company salable.
...above and beyond the call...
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Location: Red Deer AB
Location: Red Deer AB
May 2nd, 2008, 11:33 AM
It is all well and fine that this is the only known incident in 30 years. So are those noise-makers supposed to operate for the next 100 years or so. Is that the final solution? Is anything being done that will allow birds to ever be able to safely use those waters? Any pictures I saw of the site showed a barren shore-line, devoid of even one organic plant.
Does anybody up there even know that cat-tails do quite a nice job of cleaning up 'oil' (and probably a lot of other things as well). An even better plant is hemp, that plant was what was recommended for 'cleaning' the tailings from the 'old gold-mines' in the Yukon, so if it will work on heavy metals I'm quite sure it would work around the contamination (and that is just what it is) around Syncrude.
Hemp is also about the only viable solution for the DU in Iraq (and other places) but since it would probably take 40 years to accomplish that it will never be started, not for the old gold-mines, not for the tailing ponds at Syncrude, nor for DU anywhere. It is best that that plant be left in it 'devil' status and that is a purely profit driven agenda.
It is all well and fine that this is the only known incident in 30 years. So are those noise-makers supposed to operate for the next 100 years or so. Is that the final solution? Is anything being done that will allow birds to ever be able to safely use those waters? Any pictures I saw of the site showed a barren shore-line, devoid of even one organic plant.
Does anybody up there even know that cat-tails do quite a nice job of cleaning up 'oil' (and probably a lot of other things as well). An even better plant is hemp, that plant was what was recommended for 'cleaning' the tailings from the 'old gold-mines' in the Yukon, so if it will work on heavy metals I'm quite sure it would work around the contamination (and that is just what it is) around Syncrude.
Hemp is also about the only viable solution for the DU in Iraq (and other places) but since it would probably take 40 years to accomplish that it will never be started, not for the old gold-mines, not for the tailing ponds at Syncrude, nor for DU anywhere. It is best that that plant be left in it 'devil' status and that is a purely profit driven agenda.
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Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
May 2nd, 2008, 11:42 AM
Woof!
Quoting karrie
They could have resorted to raptors like they do around airports. Birds of prey are supposed to frighten, but occasionally they intercept. Bangers don't kill.
I'm sorry but, while I don't demonize them (anymore) for what happened, I don't believe it's above and beyond. I think it's exactly in keeping with the threats they received, and their attempts to keep their company salable.
Woof!
May 2nd, 2008, 11:45 AM
Quoting MHz
There's hemp seed in the bread I made my kids' sandwiches with today. It doesn't seem to demonized for Dempster's to use it.
It is best that that plant be left in it 'devil' status and that is a purely profit driven agenda.
May 2nd, 2008, 11:46 AM
Quoting lone wolf
raptors require handlers, which require payroll, training, WCB costs, health plans, pensions.... Bangers don't demand raises. Bangers don't go on disability if they slip on the ice in the parking lot. I still don't think it's very 'above and beyond'.
They could have resorted to raptors like they do around airports. Birds of prey are supposed to frighten, but occasionally they intercept. Bangers don't kill.
Woof!
Woof!
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May 2nd, 2008, 11:50 AM
Tailing ponds don't kill ducks, people do. Wind turbines don't kill birds, people do. Guns don't kill people, people do.
Tailing ponds don't kill ducks, people do. Wind turbines don't kill birds, people do. Guns don't kill people, people do.
