Users fight to save Windows XP

Praxius

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http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080414/Windows_XP_080414/20080414?hub=World

SEATTLE -- Microsoft Corp.'s operating systems run most personal computers around the globe and are a cash cow for the world's largest software maker. But you'd never confuse a Windows user with the passionate fans of Mac OS X or even the free Linux operating system. Unless it's someone running Windows XP, a version Microsoft wants to retire.

Fans of the six-year-old operating system set to be pulled off store shelves in June have papered the Internet with blog posts, cartoons and petitions recently. They trumpet its superiority to Windows Vista, Microsoft's latest PC operating system, whose consumer launch last January was greeted with lukewarm reviews.

No matter how hard Microsoft works to persuade people to embrace Vista, some just can't be wowed. They complain about Vista's hefty hardware requirements, its less-than-peppy performance, occasional incompatibility with other programs and devices and frequent, irritating security pop-up windows.

For them, the impending disappearance of XP computers from retailers, and the phased withdrawal of technical support in coming years, is causing a minor panic.

Take, for instance, Galen Gruman. A longtime technology journalist, Gruman is more accustomed to writing about trends than starting them.

But after talking to Windows users for months, he realized his distaste for Vista and strong attachment to XP were widespread.

"It sort of hit us that, wait a minute, XP will be gone as of June 30. What are we going to do?" he said. "If no one does something, it's going to be gone."

So Gruman started a Save XP Web petition, gathering since January more than 100,000 signatures and thousands of comments, mostly from die-hard XP users who want Microsoft to keep selling it until the next version of Windows is released, currently targeted for 2010.

On the petition site's comments section, some users proclaimed they will downgrade from Vista to XP -- an option available in the past to businesses, but now open for the first time to consumers who buy Vista Ultimate or Business editions -- if they need to buy a new computer after XP goes off the market.

Others used the comments section to rail against the very idea that Microsoft has the power to enforce the phase-out from a stable, decent product to one that many consider worse, while profiting from the move. Many threatened to leave Windows for Apple or Linux machines.

Microsoft already extended the XP deadline once, but it shows no signs it will do so again. The company has declined to meet with Gruman to consider the petition. Microsoft is aware of the petition, it said in a statement to The Associated Press, and "will continue to be guided by feedback we hear from partners and customers about what makes sense based on their needs."

Gruman said he'd keep pressing for a meeting.

"They really believe if they just close their eyes, people will have no choice," he said.
In fact, most people who get a new computer will end up with Vista. In 2008, 94 percent of new Windows machines for consumers worldwide will run Vista, forecasts industry research group IDC. For businesses, about 75 percent of new PCs will have Vista. (That figure takes into account companies that choose to downgrade to XP.)

Although Microsoft may not budge on selling new copies of XP, it may have to extend support for it.

Al Gillen, an IDC analyst, estimated that at the end of 2008 nearly 60 percent of consumer PCs and almost 70 percent of business PCs worldwide will still run XP. Microsoft plans to end full support -- including warranty claims and free help with problems -- in April 2009. The company will continue providing a more limited level of service until April 2014.

Gillen said efforts like Gruman's grass-roots petition may not influence the software maker, but business customers' demands should carry more clout.

"You really can't make 69 percent of your installed base unhappy with you," he said.

Some companies -- such as Wells Manufacturing Co. in Woodstock, Ill. -- are crossing their fingers that he's right. The company, which melts scrap steel and casts iron bars, has 200 PCs that run Windows 2000 or XP. (Windows 2000 is no longer sold on PCs. Mainstream support has ended, but limited support is available through the middle of 2010.)

Wells usually replaces 50 of its PCs every 18 months. In the most recent round of purchases, Chief Information Officer Lou Peterhans said, the company stuck with XP because several of its applications don't run well on Vista.

"There is no strong reason to go to Vista, other than eventually losing support for XP," he said. Peterhans added that the company isn't planning to bring in Vista computers for 18 months to two years. If Microsoft keeps to its current timetable, its next operating system, code-named Windows 7, will be on the market by then.

Bah, the same thing happened when Windows 98 took out 95... and then when XP came around. Nothing new.... things change.
 

Lester

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I will opt out of the windows franchise and go Apple. When I went to xp from 98, all of a sudden 60% of my 98 software was no longer any good. If I have to buy new software I might as well switch to Apple.
 

#juan

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This is just stupid. I used 98 until a couple years ago when a new computer wouldn't let me install 98. I haven't heard many raves about Vista and I don't want to sound bitter, but haven't we all given Gates enough money? Surely to God with his seventy or eighty billion dollars he could support XP for another few years, or at least until he has a suitable replacement.
 

hermanntrude

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I will opt out of the windows franchise and go Apple. When I went to xp from 98, all of a sudden 60% of my 98 software was no longer any good. If I have to buy new software I might as well switch to Apple.

seems like a wise choice to me. I've never used apple or mac or anything other than windows before but I'm surely going to have to choose something else if it's between vista and nothing. I had my first experience with vista recently and hated hated HATED HATED it. It's a crappy piece of total bull****, designed to make computers idiot proof. the problem is that it removes all of the useful options and replaces them with dumb ones. Who the hell wants the option to see tiny, distorted versions of the images within a folder as part of its icon? no-one, but vista decides to chomp up another gigabyte of RAM doing it.

bull****.

not to mention, of course, that it's going to make piracy really difficult.
 

Praxius

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I had my first experience with vista recently and hated hated HATED HATED it. It's a crappy piece of total bull****, designed to make computers idiot proof. the problem is that it removes all of the useful options and replaces them with dumb ones.

lmao... not at your position, but more so what you just said. That was almost word for word my complaints about XP from 98. I hated it, the menus were all screwed up, wait.... in fact, I had the same complaint when 95 came out and I was still using 3.11. It removed all the things I was used to, all the additional options that I knew exactly where they were.... only for them to be thrown somewhere totally different or removed completely.

I grew to like XP I guess.... kinda like how I grew to like 95/98.

I don't really mind Vista myself.
 

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I've used Vista since it was released on a new system. I haven't had any serious complaints about it. Nor have I found a huge problem with programs not working. I find it very media friendly as I make my own dvds on it, record music and edit in both areas without a problem. These used to be the exclusive territory of the Mac for those who don't know.

People don't like change much and I suspect that a part of that is coughing up the coin for the software.
 

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1.) Hate Vista and think its garbage
2.) I will therefore not buy Vista
3.) If I need a new OS, I'll just save money and use an Open Source version.

If Microsoft won't sell me what I want to buy, I just won't buy from them. No different than any other business.
 

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That's not the worst of it... Windows 7 is slated to come out in 2010! If I can't keep using XP I'm going to switch to mac. I already use Linux.

I can't stand how Microsoft's latest bloatware slows down the latest technology. As computers get faster the programs they are expected to run get worse (garbage). Windows has destroyed computing. Most of us have computers capable of doing everything we could ever imagine except it is held back by terrible code.

There should be an addendum to Moore's law where the inverse of technological performance is added to software that technology is expected to execute..
 

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I've used Vista since it was released on a new system. I haven't had any serious complaints about it. Nor have I found a huge problem with programs not working. I find it very media friendly as I make my own dvds on it, record music and edit in both areas without a problem. These used to be the exclusive territory of the Mac for those who don't know.

People don't like change much and I suspect that a part of that is coughing up the coin for the software.

My beef is that a lot of the games that I own will not work for Vista. At a lot of the forums for the games that I play I have heard a lot of people say that they have issues with Vista and are trying to find ways of making the game playable.

I plan on keeping XP until support(or security updates) stop completely.
 

#juan

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Just a few little details.
1. Computer stores are selling computers with a free downgrade to XP from Vista
2, As of today you can still buy XP ($250.00) and nobody is offering any discounts because XP is going to be an orphan in June.
3. Linux is getting more user-friendly all the time. http://www.ubuntu.com/news/MostUserFriendlyAward
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Scott Free

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The Linux community is simply amazing. They are keeping alive the art of computer programming where you do one thing and do it well, where your programs write their own code, where the objective is to keep the program using as few resources as possible.

At the rate Microsoft is going we're all going to need 12 processors just to open our email.

I have an older computer which runs Slack and it is far faster than my laptop which is several generations and almost a decade newer!
 

#juan

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I grew to like XP I guess.... kinda like how I grew to like 95/98.

I didn't like 95 but there just wasn't any software for 3.1. I liked 98 and used it for about seven years and I would still be using it if I could.

After about two years, I'm getting used to XP

One thing I have noticed is that each successive new version of Windows is a bigger RAM suck.
 

johai

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I've used Vista since it was released on a new system. I haven't had any serious complaints about it. Nor have I found a huge problem with programs not working. I find it very media friendly as I make my own dvds on it, record music and edit in both areas without a problem. These used to be the exclusive territory of the Mac for those who don't know.

People don't like change much and I suspect that a part of that is coughing up the coin for the software.

Regarding all the comments on XP and Mirosoft's software. In my opinion perhaps there is some fear here about going to Ubuntu/Linux. In fact what you are going to get if you choose to convert, you will have ...two...two computers in one. The conversion affects MS's software OS only. Files are not lost and there are no disks to deal with. Right now I have 1373 applications running out of over 23,000 already loaded into my system and if I wish to add or delete I can very easily with a few clicks. I've just ordered a Dell laptop which will be converted to Ubuntu. All I have to to is download MS's OS to a CD (if I wish to go back to MS) and have Ubuntu loaded through the net or a CD. It's simple and once you've been there you will never go back, but it's only my opinion.
And there is never a penny put out because it is free and always has been. The download or CD to convert is free and the flow of application or security upgrades are free and appear in the "Update Manager".
Regards,
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