Stasi-style secret police system forming in Canada, Britain, US

Jennifer Stoddart, the Privacy Commissioner of Canada, has given her own Valentine to Canadian citizens: a 48-page report warning them that the RCMP (Canada's national police force) is keeping thousands of files on regular citizens in secret databases which cannot be seen by the accused. The news is perhaps unsurprising, given that the McDonald Commission reported in 1981 that the RCMP had been involved in all manner of illegal activity in their attempts to spy on Canadian citizens, including breaking into citizens' homes without warrants and even conducting electronic surveillance of a member of Parliament.
One of the many disturbing facets of Stoddart's report are the examples she cites of information for these secret files coming from citizen informants. In one case a man was put into the secret database because a resident of his daughter's school neighborhood saw him entering a rooming house and—believing drugs were involved—called the police. The police investigation concluded that the man had only stepped out of his car to have a cigarette, but the file was still in the national security databank seven years later.
Another incident cited in the Stoddart report involved a neighbour who saw two men carrying "something...

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Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf

Ever hear of Crime-Stoppers? ...or wonder about those magnetic strips on your drivers licence or social insurance card?

Woof!

Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf

Golly ... we had 'em in High school ... only they were called "hall monitors" then.

Woof!

Quote: Originally Posted by gangstalking

Only the special people got passes.

Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf

With microphones that can be disguised as a human hair, why bother with the give-away signals?

Woof!

Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear

I don't think having to pee made someone special, but it sure got them past the hall monitors.

Quote: Originally Posted by gangstalking

Only sometimes. You can only pull that stunt so often. Just kidding.

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LOL...

You know, you can read into this article as you wish.

One could see it as a positive move towords a more secure society, another could see it as an extension of society guiding itself and still another could see no need to worry as it isn't anything new.

Much of what we read and see presented today, was dreamed up implemented, a century or two or three or four, ago and has been at work tirelessly since. Only behind the scenes.

Now that the light of day is upon it. It will either scurry for cover or adapt to being public. I rather think the latter to be the case. Which oft induces a watering down effect.

But I digress... As if oft the case, such things as this, are far to sensationalised and some may put far to much stock in them, in an attempt to further a cause. Stop and think about a society where the citizenry shuts off and turns a blind eye...is that a society that benefits anyone?

Welcome. This website is devoted to explaining a global program of torture, murder & persecution which I call the Hidden Evil. It includes a vast network of plain-clothed citizen informants, which is used for public stalking, & the use of Directed Energy Weapons on targeted individuals. All core factions of the community are involved, & everyone, from seniors to children, participates in Gang Stalking. Governments have used these groups in some form since the Roman Empire. The Hidden Evil is an example of this pattern repeating itself.
The citizens' network controls the streets of your neighborhoods. The evidence suggests that this network is not just part of a sub-culture within society, but that it literally permeates all aspects of it, & is therefore, part of the mainstream. As I'll demonstrate, this has happened before. The network is the creation of supra-governmental Think Tanks, which are made up of people of tremendous wealth. These Think Tanks manipulate your government like a puppet. So, in essence, these wealthy individuals control your streets.
The citizen Gang Stalking portion of the program is done under the guise of keeping an eye on internal threats to state security & cleaning up neighborhoods. As I'll demonstrate, this is exactly what the informant networks in East Germany & Russia were told when they were recruited into these state-sponsored programs. On the neighborhood level, despite claims of patriotism, the main reasons for their...

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Quote: Originally Posted by gangstalking

I also personally feel really bad for that guy over in the UK. A civilian informant thought his MP3 players was a gun, called the police. The police didn't even hesitate, they used two cops to take him down, guns pointed, then they threw him into the back of a police Van, arrested and I think interrogated him. He was finger printed and he is now in that data base that they have over there, for the rest of his life.

If you read the article, he says he was always a law abiding citizen before that, never did anything wrong, and now because a Civilian Informant does not know the difference between an MP3 player and a gun, he is in that data base for life, and there is nothing that he can do about it. That is suppose to be democracy at work.

He is lucky that he was not killed by these people, like that tube shooting incident, where that innocent guy was shot and killed by them. Still it can't be a good thing to have your name, fingerprints what have you in some data base for the rest of your life.

Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear

Are you in a 'system'?

I am, it doesn't hurt at all. Ya sure, I get the once over at the border. Hell the steel bits throughout my body cause more fun then my record.

This 'system' is some virtual bogeyman, that prevents you from living your life to its fullest. It's a system of identification and tracking and if you are not flagged, you don't get hassled.

It all in what you make of it.

Hell, I've said it a hundred times if I've said it once. I'm a several 'watch lists'. I peruse sites that the authorities keep track of. I love info and I love pushing the envelope even more. And guess what, I'm still free, I crossed the border just a couple years ago, and I have been on the RCMP and FBI watch list since I was an activist in my community.

How does this equate to an undemocratic society? Not to mention the UK isn't a democracy at any rate.

OK, lets look at the catalysts here. A progressive invasion of Islamic people, having an adverse affect on UK society. Then you compound that with the horrific attacks, you get to a point of complete distrust among opposing racial divides.

The actions of others was the underlying cause, not the suspicions of an 'informant'. You could easily blame his death squarely on Muslim extremists. But how 'bout we blame the entire problem, a scared society, a group of extremist pricks and a couple of over zealous Constables. No one factor bears the full weight of responsibility.

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Not sure if I am in a system? I mean I have had a walkman in the past, who know now. At this rate, maybe someone saw my walkman and thought it was an an armed assault rifle or something. Seriously if it's that easy to get into a system who knows. I am going to err on the pesimistic side, just to be safe. These people are not giving me much faith in human kind.

It equates to an undemocratic society in my view, because the guy has done nothing wrong, now he is in some system and he doesn't know how it will be used against him in future, and for what? For carrying an MP3 player. I also do blame the Civilian Spy/Snitch who ratted him out for nothing. His life is ruined and nothing happens to them, it's just too easy to ruin someone else's life, when it's all anonymous and no blame ever get's back to you. I wish we could know who did it, and give them a youtube channel, that would teach them. See who it feels. Anyways.

I blame the death in the tube on trigger happy cops, and the eventual attempt at cover up on the same. There goofing is what got the guy killed. Sloppy intellegence.

Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver

Muslim extremeists in my underwear hiding in my boots looking at me all the time plotting the downfall of western civilization and the conquest of Mars. When are people going to wise up, there ain't no war against terrorism, there is a war declared by terrorists against oil owning people.

Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver

Muslim extremeists in my underwear hiding in my boots looking at me all the time plotting the downfall of western civilization and the conquest of Mars. When are people going to wise up, there ain't no war against terrorism, there is a war declared by terrorists against oil owning people.

Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear

These people? Do you ever watch Cspan?

If you're looking for faith in people, you've come to the wrong planet.

There's a movement afoot in the 'Gangsta rap' community..."Stop snitchin'".

It's BS.

This is how people get to take back their lives. When the black communities wanted to be taken seriously in the 60's and 70's, they rallied around and stood up to criminals and took back their neghbourhoods. Now what some are suggesting and by extension, you as well. Is that we give them back to the criminals and we all go around staring at our feet.

Not going to happen, nor should it. It's our world, we have to do what is right and if that means some innocent people get trampled in the cause, so be it. I won't sell my future short on the 'individual'.

If taking the miopic route suits you best, so be it. Far be it for me to tell you to do otherwise, but try and keep an open mind. The world and all its events are not as narrow as you would seem to view them.

Quote: Originally Posted by Zzarchov

I'd rather having citizens being in charge of reporting crime than the police.

Since when is putting power in the hands of the people instead of appointed gun toting people a bad thing?

The System
Many people grow up in society never realising that the world is not really controlled by just governments but it's also controlled by a system. Some people might consider this system similar to another government that operates outside of the mainstream government. The system is more structured and less democratic than many of us realise, or are willing to believe.
The system that really exists and that controls society is really made up of the powerful and elite, Corporations and Governments. The powerful elite, do not care who is in government, because they will always have the primary say with how things go, and what the final outcome is. The same has become true for corporations, and powerful interests. Then there is the will of the government, the body that appears to be elected by the people, but who is there to really serve the will of these powerful interests.
To keep the system in place and running smoothly, there are appendages that are set in place to teach the population how to act, think, behave, and yes how to conform to the system. The system wants people to come up thinking that they are completely free and can act, think, and feel however they choose to. This is true to an extent, as long as your interest do not run too contrary to what the system has in mind. Once your interest start to run contrary, or you do something to step out of what the system considers acceptable boundaries,...

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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear

Come on beave, you know full well that was not the intent of my comment.

intelligence operations
During Germany's partition East Germany's Ministry of State Security (MfS) was one of the largest intelligence and security services in the world. Known as the Stasi by East Germans, it used some 90,000 regular employees - and nearly double that number of informers - to surveil the country's 17 million people. The Stasi archive, which survived the collapse of the state, contains more...

Quote: Originally Posted by dancing-loon

Wow, Gangstalker , where have you been hiding all this time? I'm glad you came back from the woods and brought us some food for thought and talk. Thanks for your visit... I hope you stay awhile?

You mentioned the STASI in East-Germany as a comparison to our hitherto hidden ratting system. Although I came from Germany, not from the East, I know next to nothing about the STASI policing methods, only heard of their spying activities.

Here is a short paragraph to show how intense their dedication to keeping the East-German citicenry in line was.Click on above intelligence operations to read further.

I did a quick check: 200 people - 1 Stasi and 2 informers!! Approximately! Are we there, yet?? I sure would be upset finding out one of these days that my neighbor is an "informer", watching my moves, weaseling private information out of me etc.!!

Nazi Germany had this kind of system, too. Anybody could rat on you for listening to a foreign broadcast!!

Honestly, I still feel quite comfortable and secure in this country. But then, I don't look like an Arab!!

What is Gang Stalking?
Gang Stalking is a systemic form of control, which seeks to control every aspect of a Targeted Individuals life. Gang Stalking has many similarities to workplace mobbing, but takes place outside in the community. It called Gang Stalking, because the target is followed around and placed under surveillance by groups of organised Civilian Spies/Snitches 24/7.
Many Targeted Individuals are harassed in this way for months or even years before they realise that they are being targeted by an organised protocol of harassment.
What happens during Gang Stalking is very similar to what happened to many innocent individuals in the former East Germany or Activists and Dissidents in Russia. Many innocent people in the former East Germany would be targeted for these harassment programs, and then their friends, family, and the community at large would be used to monitor, prosecute, and harass them. In Russia it was used by the state to declare activist, dissidents or anyone they thought to be an enemy of the state as mentally unfit and many were institutionalised using this form of systemic control.
The closest thing to Gang Stalking that democratic countries have seen before is McCarthyism, Cointelpro, and RED SQUAD programs. Red Squad programs were used for monitoring, and harassment of various groups and they have been in place for over a...

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