sick and twisted
Posts: 2,537 
Location: Backwater, Ontario.
Location: Backwater, Ontario.
January 22nd, 2008, 02:45 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/sto...nty-autos.html
We have two car makes from Korea? Hyundai, and Kia? And this dipsh!t wants to embargo or tax them (read INCREASE THE PRICE), unless they allow more cars "made in Canada"......(WHICH WOULD BE WHAT???) to enter Korea.
Both Hyundai and Kia offer Canadians lower priced cars. Lower than most anything else so far, and they have been imported for several years without problem. How much slushmoney did GM offer him?
A Korean car plant in Canada would be nice. That doesn't seem to be what the brain is after.
Hey, any ideas? As an economist, I make a good pizza.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/sto...nty-autos.html
We have two car makes from Korea? Hyundai, and Kia? And this dipsh!t wants to embargo or tax them (read INCREASE THE PRICE), unless they allow more cars "made in Canada"......(WHICH WOULD BE WHAT???) to enter Korea.
Both Hyundai and Kia offer Canadians lower priced cars. Lower than most anything else so far, and they have been imported for several years without problem. How much slushmoney did GM offer him?
A Korean car plant in Canada would be nice. That doesn't seem to be what the brain is after.
Hey, any ideas? As an economist, I make a good pizza.
Mass'Debator
Posts: 4,282
Location: Atlantic Canada
Location: Atlantic Canada
January 22nd, 2008, 02:57 PM
My father owned a 96' Elantra, gave that to my brother after it was paid off, and he's been driving that car constantly between Toronto and Nova Scotia. It already had a pile of miles on it.... er.... Kilometerage? It had a lot on it before he got it, and he didn't have too many problems with it, until he drove it up along a guard rail a month or so ago and destroyed it. But it took many accidents before that too.
My mom as well as myself drove a 98' Accent, and those were awsome, cheap little beaters. Standard transmission, no power steering, and I took the bugger off road all the time. After a couple of years, the last inspection, all that was required was two front new tires as they were bald.
Sice then, my dad has a 2001 Tiburon, and my brother picked up a new 2008 Tiburon, all decked out to replace the Elantra.
Quite honestly and overall, those cars are really good, esspecially for their price. Even the Stock Sterio System is kick ass.
I find it pretty stupid that now finally Hyundai is pumping out competative vehicles at a lower price and equal quality, that now we're getting complaints about their imports.
Pathetic and there's no need. If they want more money coming back to Canada, get more factories here opened up to build them.
Some would say that it'd cost too much to hire Canadians to build them and sell them here.... but how much does it cost to ship the completed vehicles here, plus the cost of building them over there in the first place?
Quite honestly, the next car I'm getting is either a new Accent or a new Tiburon... I YouTubed a few street and drag races with both Accents and Tiburons in them, and all of them I seen beat out the other cars.... ie: Acuras, Subarus, Honda's, etc.
If I can get a car that's faster and cheaper, you bet I will.
What's the good of capitalism when you got people in the government making sure nobody gets out ahead of another? If Hyundai and Kia are doing better at lower prices, then that's not their fault.
My father owned a 96' Elantra, gave that to my brother after it was paid off, and he's been driving that car constantly between Toronto and Nova Scotia. It already had a pile of miles on it.... er.... Kilometerage? It had a lot on it before he got it, and he didn't have too many problems with it, until he drove it up along a guard rail a month or so ago and destroyed it. But it took many accidents before that too.
My mom as well as myself drove a 98' Accent, and those were awsome, cheap little beaters. Standard transmission, no power steering, and I took the bugger off road all the time. After a couple of years, the last inspection, all that was required was two front new tires as they were bald.
Sice then, my dad has a 2001 Tiburon, and my brother picked up a new 2008 Tiburon, all decked out to replace the Elantra.
Quite honestly and overall, those cars are really good, esspecially for their price. Even the Stock Sterio System is kick ass.
I find it pretty stupid that now finally Hyundai is pumping out competative vehicles at a lower price and equal quality, that now we're getting complaints about their imports.
Pathetic and there's no need. If they want more money coming back to Canada, get more factories here opened up to build them.
Some would say that it'd cost too much to hire Canadians to build them and sell them here.... but how much does it cost to ship the completed vehicles here, plus the cost of building them over there in the first place?
Quite honestly, the next car I'm getting is either a new Accent or a new Tiburon... I YouTubed a few street and drag races with both Accents and Tiburons in them, and all of them I seen beat out the other cars.... ie: Acuras, Subarus, Honda's, etc.
If I can get a car that's faster and cheaper, you bet I will.
What's the good of capitalism when you got people in the government making sure nobody gets out ahead of another? If Hyundai and Kia are doing better at lower prices, then that's not their fault.
Executive Member
Posts: 9,534
January 22nd, 2008, 03:03 PM
Here is a list of cars made in Canada: http://www.canadianmade.com/automotive.shtml
All the cars listed are built by Canadians who are paid a decent wage and benefits. Are we sure that Korean cars are built under the same standards? I would prefer that Hyundai and Kia set up a plant in Canada and compete fairly with those who have.
Here is a list of cars made in Canada: http://www.canadianmade.com/automotive.shtml
All the cars listed are built by Canadians who are paid a decent wage and benefits. Are we sure that Korean cars are built under the same standards? I would prefer that Hyundai and Kia set up a plant in Canada and compete fairly with those who have.
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January 22nd, 2008, 03:05 PM
Thing is Canadian Cars and American as well, don't meet the higher standards for fuel economy that foreign cars do. So they can't sell over there. The problem, make cars that meet the standards. Ford GM and Chrysler don't want to do that because they will make less money on after care.
Go check out the story of the GM electric car and you will understand.
These corporations are bad mojo.
Thing is Canadian Cars and American as well, don't meet the higher standards for fuel economy that foreign cars do. So they can't sell over there. The problem, make cars that meet the standards. Ford GM and Chrysler don't want to do that because they will make less money on after care.
Go check out the story of the GM electric car and you will understand.
These corporations are bad mojo.
January 22nd, 2008, 03:08 PM
Having worked for a tier one Honda supplier for 7 years and having visited Japan and seen the facilities there, I can assure you, they will beat the North American market hands down everytime.
They import Brazilian workers at cheap wages and their labour laws are of insufficient strength, that not only can they use chemicals and processes to manufacture materials such as the faux leather on Honda's leather seats, that are illegal to use and manufacture here. But workers are concidered expendable, hence the slippered feet on assembly floors.
Quoting Praxius
Not easy to do as it is to say.
Pathetic and there's no need. If they want more money coming back to Canada, get more factories here opened up to build them.
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Measurably more profitable, hence why they do it.
Some would say that it'd cost too much to hire Canadians to build them and sell them here.... but how much does it cost to ship the completed vehicles here, plus the cost of building them over there in the first place?
Having worked for a tier one Honda supplier for 7 years and having visited Japan and seen the facilities there, I can assure you, they will beat the North American market hands down everytime.
They import Brazilian workers at cheap wages and their labour laws are of insufficient strength, that not only can they use chemicals and processes to manufacture materials such as the faux leather on Honda's leather seats, that are illegal to use and manufacture here. But workers are concidered expendable, hence the slippered feet on assembly floors.
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This isn't necessarily the fault of 'capitalism', it's easier to pin on socialism and the CAW, if you actually connect the dots as they are lined up.
What's the good of capitalism when you got people in the government making sure nobody gets out ahead of another? If Hyundai and Kia are doing better at lower prices, then that's not their fault.
January 22nd, 2008, 03:10 PM
Look at Honda and Toyota...even Toyota's 'entry level' vehicles aren't.
Quoting #juan
Ya, great idea, that oughtta make them the same cost as the rest of the North American auto's.
Here is a list of cars made in Canada: http://www.canadianmade.com/automotive.shtml
All the cars listed are built by Canadians who are paid a decent wage and benefits. Are we sure that Korean cars are built under the same standards? I would prefer that Hyundai and Kia set up a plant in Canada and compete fairly with those who have.
All the cars listed are built by Canadians who are paid a decent wage and benefits. Are we sure that Korean cars are built under the same standards? I would prefer that Hyundai and Kia set up a plant in Canada and compete fairly with those who have.
Look at Honda and Toyota...even Toyota's 'entry level' vehicles aren't.
Executive Member
Posts: 9,534
January 22nd, 2008, 03:13 PM
I completely agree that American car companies, or Canadian branch offices of American car companies are not exactly at the cutting edge of the technology.
Quoting Unforgiven
I would say that the main competition for Korean cars would be from Honda, Toyota, and Suzuki who do have plants here.
Thing is Canadian Cars and American as well, don't meet the higher standards for fuel economy that foreign cars do. So they can't sell over there. The problem, make cars that meet the standards. Ford GM and Chrysler don't want to do that because they will make less money on after care.
Go check out the story of the GM electric car and you will understand.
These corporations are bad mojo.
Go check out the story of the GM electric car and you will understand.
These corporations are bad mojo.
I completely agree that American car companies, or Canadian branch offices of American car companies are not exactly at the cutting edge of the technology.
sick and twisted
Posts: 2,537
Location: Backwater, Ontario.
Location: Backwater, Ontario.
January 24th, 2008, 06:53 PM
Hyundai, brand new, is more than I can afford, but they do lose a significant amount ( than either Toyota or Honda) , and do it faster, so that a 5 year old Hyundai will be just about in my fnancial range to buy outright. Never have financed a car.
The best news is, even then, barring really bad luck, they are good for at least 9-10 more years, or about 300,000K. And they pass the e.test every time. Automatics might need a rebuilt tranny at about 200,000K, and just the standard brakes, oil, bla bla bla. Pretty good deal.
No wonder McLiar wants them outa Canada. Actually giving UNoHoo a break. Can't have that.
Why would Korea want cars that don't meet their e.standards, or fuel economy?
There's only one time politicos offer the "transparency" they tout, and that is when they are plainly spreading the BS deep and wide for all to see. Colour us retarded.
Quoting #juan
Like Bear says, Juan, even Toyota's entry level cars......aren't!! Way pricey.
I would say that the main competition for Korean cars would be from Honda, Toyota, and Suzuki who do have plants here.
I completely agree that American car companies, or Canadian branch offices of American car companies are not exactly at the cutting edge of the technology.
I completely agree that American car companies, or Canadian branch offices of American car companies are not exactly at the cutting edge of the technology.
Hyundai, brand new, is more than I can afford, but they do lose a significant amount ( than either Toyota or Honda) , and do it faster, so that a 5 year old Hyundai will be just about in my fnancial range to buy outright. Never have financed a car.
The best news is, even then, barring really bad luck, they are good for at least 9-10 more years, or about 300,000K. And they pass the e.test every time. Automatics might need a rebuilt tranny at about 200,000K, and just the standard brakes, oil, bla bla bla. Pretty good deal.
No wonder McLiar wants them outa Canada. Actually giving UNoHoo a break. Can't have that.
Why would Korea want cars that don't meet their e.standards, or fuel economy?
There's only one time politicos offer the "transparency" they tout, and that is when they are plainly spreading the BS deep and wide for all to see. Colour us retarded.
