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January 17th, 2008, 11:42 PM
Hi Beaver...
you use strong language! I cannot agree with everything you say, nor anticipate the same horrific predictions. You know already, but I will tell you again, that I value your opinions and the unflowered way you present them. Every so often, when reading your posts, I just about roll under the computer desk laughing! You are so refreshing, and gawd knows... so well informed! Take it as a compliment, but don't let it get to your head!
So, let me take your posting apart!
Are you able to verify that statement with some references? To me that is a totally new thought. I happen to come from Germany and know, that Russia would have taken over West-Germany as well, given the opportunity. The West-Germans were glad the allies were there to prevent that from happening. They feared the Russians far more than the Brits and Americans.
On the other hand, the Western Forces used Germany as a bullwark against the spread of communism from Russia. West-Germany actually has to thank the Russians for their communistic threat, because that way the allies pampered and nursed W-Germany to a strong nation again, without a military force, of course.
http://www.johndclare.net/Basics_ColdWar.htm
The Americans had the so called Marshall-Plan, which helped to get Western Europe on its feet again. Check out this link with map which states "...was the primary plan of the United States for rebuilding and creating a stronger foundation for the allied countries of Europe, and repelling communism after World War II."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan
Naturally, the Americans benefitted from that generosity as well, because it was a wise business investment at the same time, AND all those aided European countries are to this day still American allies. Smart thinking in Washington. I see nothing wrong with that.
Islamic terrorism was created by the Americans. That I can see easily and also find enough written about it. Boogeyman's purpose is pretty clear, as is llustrated in Iraq and Afghanistan. It is always countries with rich resources and/or strategic locations. Russia forinstance is getting worried about being soon totally surrounded by American military bases!
That the entire Cold War was just a diversion I cannot see.
They destroyed socialism on every continent? Hmm... you mean perhaps some South American states like Chile, Nicaragua and Panama?
Angola in Africa? Any others?
Not just money, also power and control, but actually those two come with money.
It is always the CIA first, then comes the military, if necessary. Often the CIA alone is able to achieve their goal by instigation, bribing, and pitting one against the other.
Money is the greatest motivator in the western capitalist world. Exploitation of cheap labor in Third World countries.
Yes, it has spread and that's why we have an American Empire now... a big monster! Perhaps it is not so bad to have Harper as PM!
Exactly! It's draining their strength. Besides, most Americans don't support that war anymore.
Yes, forinstance there is a strong resistance amongst the German people, but their Chancellor is very much pro American. Then you have to consider they are all rather small countries.
Do you think they would do that? I don't! China, Russia, North Korea and Hugo Chavez personally would come down on them!!
Well, in that case... Cheers, Beaver
But hold it!! There is a slim chance Obama might win and do a 180 degree turn, reconciling America with the Muslim World. I think that's all that is needed to achieve peace. The "terrorists" are just as battle weary as the Americans and would be happy to live in peace, following their own traditional ways.
Thank you Beaver!
Hi Beaver...
you use strong language! I cannot agree with everything you say, nor anticipate the same horrific predictions. You know already, but I will tell you again, that I value your opinions and the unflowered way you present them. Every so often, when reading your posts, I just about roll under the computer desk laughing! You are so refreshing, and gawd knows... so well informed! Take it as a compliment, but don't let it get to your head!
So, let me take your posting apart!
Quoting darkbeaver
Recent historical scholarship refutes strongly any invasion threat by Soviets aimed at Europe.
Are you able to verify that statement with some references? To me that is a totally new thought. I happen to come from Germany and know, that Russia would have taken over West-Germany as well, given the opportunity. The West-Germans were glad the allies were there to prevent that from happening. They feared the Russians far more than the Brits and Americans.
On the other hand, the Western Forces used Germany as a bullwark against the spread of communism from Russia. West-Germany actually has to thank the Russians for their communistic threat, because that way the allies pampered and nursed W-Germany to a strong nation again, without a military force, of course.
http://www.johndclare.net/Basics_ColdWar.htm
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It has been understood that the overwhelming evidence supports the theory of maintenance of A/ military industrial sales and developement B/ the boggyman of Soviet influence in the developing world.
The Americans had the so called Marshall-Plan, which helped to get Western Europe on its feet again. Check out this link with map which states "...was the primary plan of the United States for rebuilding and creating a stronger foundation for the allied countries of Europe, and repelling communism after World War II."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan
Naturally, the Americans benefitted from that generosity as well, because it was a wise business investment at the same time, AND all those aided European countries are to this day still American allies. Smart thinking in Washington. I see nothing wrong with that.
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In other words the entire cold war was a diversion while Uncle Sam raped pillaged and destroyed socialism on every continent on earth, and continues to do so with the new boggyman of Islamic Terrorism, a threat that does not exist except in the minds of those to lazy to read about it's history.
Islamic terrorism was created by the Americans. That I can see easily and also find enough written about it. Boogeyman's purpose is pretty clear, as is llustrated in Iraq and Afghanistan. It is always countries with rich resources and/or strategic locations. Russia forinstance is getting worried about being soon totally surrounded by American military bases!
That the entire Cold War was just a diversion I cannot see.
They destroyed socialism on every continent? Hmm... you mean perhaps some South American states like Chile, Nicaragua and Panama?
Angola in Africa? Any others?
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Counter insurgency or counter terrorism is and has been the main work of American forces for over forty years, this matter is heavily documented by literally tons of documented evidence. Every campaign fought in over fifty years was aimed at civilian infrastructure and governments for the purpose of American corporate expansion, no threat ever existed to America, only to American and western corporations. It was all done for money and nothing else.
Not just money, also power and control, but actually those two come with money.
It is always the CIA first, then comes the military, if necessary. Often the CIA alone is able to achieve their goal by instigation, bribing, and pitting one against the other.
Money is the greatest motivator in the western capitalist world. Exploitation of cheap labor in Third World countries.
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Todays situation is different only in scale and scope of operation.
Yes, it has spread and that's why we have an American Empire now... a big monster! Perhaps it is not so bad to have Harper as PM!
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Gates said exactly what he thought, they are desperate that Nato Allies engage more fully in the conquest, fearing the inevitable defeat.
Exactly! It's draining their strength. Besides, most Americans don't support that war anymore.
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European citizens will not allow fuller engagement of their forces. Europeans have been reluctant participants thus far, this accounts for the poor turnout and lead feet.
Yes, forinstance there is a strong resistance amongst the German people, but their Chancellor is very much pro American. Then you have to consider they are all rather small countries.
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There is no practical way for the coalition forces in Afghanistan or Iraq to extract victory, they are bogged down in protracted guarilla warfare which they cannot win unless they sweep the area clean with chemical and biological agents.
Do you think they would do that? I don't! China, Russia, North Korea and Hugo Chavez personally would come down on them!!
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You will recall that nothing is off the table. What has been removed for a long time is the chance for total victory by the coalition, something they knew, if they didn't achieve early, would never come. Neither the people of Iraq nor the Afghans will ever be defeated without the employment of WMDs in addition to the napalm, phosphor bombs, cluster bombs, depleted urainium and other illegal weapons. Canada, if we don't get out, will be involved in the break-up of Pakistan, for no good reason other than the service to our imperial masters.
Well, in that case... Cheers, Beaver
But hold it!! There is a slim chance Obama might win and do a 180 degree turn, reconciling America with the Muslim World. I think that's all that is needed to achieve peace. The "terrorists" are just as battle weary as the Americans and would be happy to live in peace, following their own traditional ways.
Thank you Beaver!
