Quote: Originally Posted by dancing-loon
you seem to have a lot of steam and gungho in you. What is keeping you from going over there? This? http://tinyurl.com/2q75rw
Could he be your brother or best friend?
No he's not... my cousin is currently in rotation to go over as I already explained. Both my brother and my father were in the Highlanders, and at the time when I was joining up, it was in between the times when they started to screw around with physical tests and requirements which were never done before for new recruits. My brother got in right away, my dad got in right away. I passed all the written tests, I passed everything. Then all of a sudden comes the physical. I wasn't being tested by anybody from the military, but rather some skinny punk from the YMCA with his own nut job agenda. I passed all of the physical tests except pushups, and you want to know why?
Because apparently I wasn't doing my pushups right. That was the big reason why I wasn't allowed in. The minimum requirement was 21 pushups at the time to pass. After that ******* made me start over and over again because of a thumb twich or my neck moved a bit to the left, I ended up doing about 45 pushups, but I guess that wasn't enough for the idiot.
I went back a couple of more times to take the test over again at my expense and he pulled the same damn stunt. This time my father was watching. As mentioned, he was in the Highlanders (Which I was trying to join up to) for many years, he was an officer, and was also the firearms trainer among other things. He also was the Gym teacher at school for a good number of years, so I would think he knew a few things about push ups.
He saw what he was doing and failed me again, and he bitched the crap out of him. Still didn't pass..... and I also still had to pay for the test.
After that I said screw it. If I got in, chances are I'd be over there now, but I'm not, so there you go. I'm just more PO'd over why I didn't get in, not just for not getting in.
Oh and guess what? a couple of years after they dropped the physical again, because they were not getting enough recruits. Gee, I wonder why? You're supposed to join up to be trained to do all that, not be expected to be full military quality before you even join. Wtf kind of mentality thought that up, I don't know.
But my brother never had to go through what I did, and neither did my cousin or her husband.... they joined before and after this little stink.
And now you know, and knowing is half the battle. GI JOE!
As I said, the majority of those soldiers who have died, their families said they believed in what they were doing over there and they knew the risks, much like my family members, much as I would have if I had the opportunity. Trying to use dead soldiers to back up your claim, which contradicts what their personal interests were, isn't a great point to be making.
Have you ever thought that there are other ways and means to settle a conflict besides using your fists? What would be wrong with apologizing to the Afghan people for devastating their country, for killing, maiming and causing thousands of them to flee into refugee camps across the border?
Nothing, and I never said that we couldn't do that. But that doesn't solve the issues happening right now. Wars are usually never finished by force, but through negotiations. Everybody should be aware of this. But saying "Gee sorry for your troubles.... toodles" isn't going to solve anything at this stage.
Why take over their capital city and make it into a Fifth Avenue district for foreigners and wealthy only?
I don't remember hearing anything about people being excluded from the city because they are poor. Perhaps you could refresh my memory on that little nugget of info.
Who gave a Canadian sharpshooter the right to ping off another man, a Taleban perhaps?
I'm sorry what? Are you asking me if the Taliban gave the Canadian sniper permission to shoot people, or asking in general who allowed our snipers the ability to shoot people?
Let's see... I would have to think their commanding officers told them to do so. Last I checked, we don't flip coins to decide what we each do in the military. You join the military, you do what you're told. You are told to shoot the brains out of this guy because he poses a threat to your fellow soldiers.... what do you do?
"Gee... I feel kinda bad about that, can't I just throw a rock at him and yell to scare him away?"
It's always the young, like you, fiery Praxius, who get manipulated and motivated into giving their precious young life for the dirty and greedy old politicians.
You clearly have no clue as to my personal views on this, if you think I'm just all for doing what the government says based on their personal interests. I don't suppose you have any real clue as to how the military works?
You join the military to defend the country. When you join the military you do what the military and government tell you to do, that is your responsibility. The Government has pretty much the final say on what our forces do...... BUT
we as citizens have the power to tell our government what to be doing with our military. If you don't like the war in Afghanistan, then force your politicians and representatives to pull them out, or they loose their jobs in the next election, plain and simple.
You can still support our troops and not support the war, and this is how you do it. ^
There are currently two main reasons why we are in Afghanistan at this moment. First it was just the government's reasons, but now there are also the soldier's reasons, which brings a more human face on what's going on over there.
I'm not all gun-ho about being in Afghanistan, in fact I opposed it from day one. I still do.... but I'm not about to act or express myself without thinking about the current situation as it stands. It's not as simple as going "Oh well I don't like this war and the principles are all screwed up... let's go home" because now we have the responsibility of the safety of Afghan civilians.
Pull out now and you're just going to piss them off even more, they'll think we're not reliable, and can not be trusted, and then we have more enemies, much like in Iraq to the US, only different.
I've been following all this from day one, so don't even bother to think I'm just going on what the government tells me and that I'm completely ignorant on the situation. Today does not justify our original reasons for entering Afghanistan, and nothing will.... but we still have to own up to that decision, which our government approved and our citizens didn't fight, therefore you stick to it until there is a plausable solution to the conflict. You accept the responsibilities we said we would take on. You can not just cut and run.
Give honest dipomacy a chance... give peace a chance!
I understand, and I also agree with diplomacy. The only way this will truly end will be with talks between the Afghan government and the Taliban. But we still have some numb skulls in the government who "Won't negotiate with terrorists" which will only prolong the conflict.
the Afghan government and even some NATO countries have agreed and admitted that the only way this will stop, is for talks and to allow the Taliban some form of power within the government to keep stability.
But many others, esspecially in the US, where they wanted that pipline, grossly oppose this idea because it goes against their personal greedy wants.
But it is either talk and end it, or an even longer and messier war then what we already have had.
But either way, no matter what happens, we can not just cut and run at this stage. If the Taliban are going to be talked to for peace, and may end up back into the country as a ligitamate government body/influence again... then the Afghan Army and police need to be prepared and able bodied to make sure order remains in their country when this happens. Which means we have to stay until they are at this level.
If not, then the Taliban will talk, agree, move back in, and then force everything back to the way they had things before the invasion and disolve the government and armies.
There has to be a logical approached to this situation and it's not as black and white as many would like it to be.